Fast passes being enforced

[mom2mickeyfan]

What you are seeing is just a flip side of what they are complaining about. They think they are entitled to tour the way they always have been and now are just bitter and angry their advantage is being taken away from them. And I agree with you, PeterPanic, the way people were using FPs was not what Disney had in mind when they first rolled out the program. Now they are making a course correction and you see the bitterness and entitlement mentality come to the forefront.

I believe only 1 person said anything about giving FPs away when you came in with this statement. We were discussing being able to get more than one FP per ride by being at the park at rope drop and how the new system will make that impossible now. Even PeterPanic that you addressed this to was only talking about that matter. So how were the rest of us suppose to take the statement of calling us "entitled" when we weren't talking about giving FPs away but about getting more than one FP per ride.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Well said...but this must mean we feel we are "entitled". I mean...what I crazy idea that someone that is willing to put forth more effort should expect to get more from the park experience!!

But what about those people that didnt put in the hard work and more effort and someone just hands them FPs? Why should those people ever be in front of me in a line when I put forth the extra effort to get the FPs i had?

 

[Jennasis]

You are wrong. People were abusing the system. Violating written Disney rules. But of course, the rules are for other people when they inconvenience them.

Are you just referring to people giving away unusable FP?

 

[UNCFanatik]

I believe only 1 person said anything about giving FPs away when you came in with this statement. We were discussing being able to get more than one FP per ride by being at the park at rope drop and how the new system will make that impossible now. Even PeterPanic that you addressed this to was only talking about that matter. So how were the rest of us suppose to take the statement of calling us "entitled" when we weren't talking about giving FPs away but about getting more than one FP per ride.

People were saying that they NEVER abused the system when in fact they did in many cases.

And please stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Are you just referring to people giving away unusable FP?

Yes, I am.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I am sure those smiles were real. Just as real as the disappointment and tears on the other end when people couldnt get FPs because you hoarded them for your own selfish desires. Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system for FPs. You violated their rules. I am sure you would feel different if the rules were broken and you came out on the short end of the stick. You would be crying all the way to guest relations.

I am all for an awesome plan of attack and RD. I was there in June and did just that. RD and pulled as many FPs as I could and used each and every one of them.

And here lies the difference between us (in order of the bolded):

No....I tend to go during the off season (believe it or not there used to be a lot of them) so there were plenty of FP available, regardless of the time of day. Of course TSM and Soarin' were the exception. I didn't see any people crying during any of my trips because of my selfishness.

I did not break any Disney rules or practices that any other experienced visitor would know and take advantage of. I figured this "trick" out from CM's long before I even knew the DIS existed.

Due to point one I never really came out on the short end of any stick. (Psssst....don't go in June). It's all about timing (literally). The only time I have ever been to Guest Relations is when I left my ticket in a FP machine and had to have it replaced. Lord knows I needed it to hoard more FP's in order to bring another visitor to tears.

 

[skater]

You are forgetting that those other people have put in the same as you in that they paid the same as you did for their tickets. As such, thy have just as much expectation to come away happy. At the end of the day, these people aren't going to be mad at the FP 'hoarders'. They will be mad at Disney. As such, it us in Disney's best interest to spread the happy, even if it means that you and I no longer get to FP TSMM four or five times.

I guess it remains to be seen if Disney is actually spreading the happy or not. I hope it all works out. I'm not yet convinced that anyone will be happy, but I hope I'm wrong. And of course, I'm going to miss being able to get more than one set of fp's for my favorite attraction. This is what I have enjoyed for quite a while. Wanting to ride the same thing a few times with little wait, is not such a bad thing when I've become "spoiled" by Disney's old policies.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

But according the the logic being used in this thread, if i worked hard to get my FPs and got up early and did RD, why should someone who was gifted FPs and didnt do any of the hard work I did be in front of me in any line?

Again, it has only been mentioned once in the thread about transfering some FPs but you jumped right on that as an opportunity to call the whole lot of us "entitled" and "bitter".

 

[Jennasis]

But according the the logic being used in this thread, if i worked hard to get my FPs and got up early and did RD, why should someone who was gifted FPs and didnt do any of the hard work I did be in front of me in any line?

I bet you think it's unfair that you don't get picked to be FoTD at park opening, or that sometimes a CM gives a kid a free Mickey bar just because but not you.

 

[dadddio]

Are you just referring to people giving away unusable FP?

If the person couldn't use the FP, he shouldn't have gotten the FP.

 

[UNCFanatik]

And here lies the difference between us (in order of the bolded):

No....I tend to go during the off season (believe it or not there used to be a lot of them) so there were plenty of FP available, regardless of the time of day. Of course TSM and Soarin' were the exception. I didn't see any people crying during any of my trips because of my selfishness.

I did not break any Disney rules or practices that any other experienced visitor would know and take advantage of. I figured this "trick" out from CM's long before I even knew the DIS existed.

Due to point one I never really came out on the short end of any stick. (Psssst....don't go in June). It's all about timing (literally). The only time I have ever been to Guest Relations is when I left my ticket in a FP machine and had to have it replaced. Lord knows I needed it to hoard more FP's in order to bring another visitor to tears.

Non transferable means you are not supposed to transfer your FP ticket to someone else. It was a violation of Disney rules.

There is the difference between you and I.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I bet you think it's unfair that you don't get picked to be FoTD at park opening, or that sometimes a CM gives a kid a free Mickey bar just because but not you.

You would lose that bet.

I was just making a comment on the inconsistency of people's logic when they state those that worked harder should be rewarded more and the gifting of FPs in the past.

 

[skater]

So, if I can't use my fp's (change of plans, child gets sick, child gets tired and weepy, I get a headache, etc.), I should throw them away. Because Disney won't like it if I give them away. Got it.

 

[Jennasis]

If the person couldn't use the FP, he shouldn't have gotten the FP.

There are so many reasons why one may have pulled a FP with EVERY intention of using it and then couldn't use it. Don't be difficult just for the sake of being difficult.

Kid gets sick.
Kid has a meltdown.
Rain storm soaks your clothes and you need to go change.
Lost a contact lens.
Got run down by a giant stroller.
Got chosen to participate in parade/show at last minute.

and on and on.

 

[UNCFanatik]

If the person couldn't use the FP, he shouldn't have gotten the FP.

True, but many people on the DIS have talked about getting FPs with the expressed intention of giving them away to spread "pixie dust"

 

[UNCFanatik]

So, if I can't use my fp's (change of plans, child gets sick, child gets tired and weepy, I get a headache, etc.), I should throw them away. Because Disney won't like it if I give them away. Got it.

Yes, you should throw them away. Nothing is lost and you help the line move faster for others. And Disney has non-transferable on the tickets for a reason.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Non transferable means you are not supposed to transfer your FP ticket to someone else. It was a violation of Disney rules.

There is the difference between you and I.

Do you drive 55 mph? There may be another difference between us.

 

[UNCFanatik]

There are so many reasons why one may have pulled a FP with EVERY intention of using it and then couldn't use it. Don't be difficult just for the sake of being difficult.

Kid gets sick.
Kid has a meltdown.
Rain storm soaks your clothes and you need to go change.
Lost a contact lens.
Got run down by a giant stroller.
Got chosen to participate in parade/show at last minute.

and on and on.

Yup, I agree fully. So throw the FP away. Nothing is lost if you do so and it actually helps more people because the lines would move faster.

 

[Jennasis]

You would lose that bet.

I was just making a comment on the inconsistency of people's logic when they state those that worked harder should be rewarded more and the gifting of FPs in the past.

So when YOU are unable to get a FP for your favorite ride because they're all gone...snatched up by us greedy hoarders/pixie dust spreaders....I suppose you would turn down an offer of extra FP by a fellow guest because it's just so very wrong. Good to know.

 

[skater]

Yes, you should throw them away. Nothing is lost and you help the line move faster for others. And Disney has non-transferable on the tickets for a reason.

I guess you can color me a rule breaker then. But we can agree to disagree on this one .