Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[guerns17]

So you tested a split stay where you cancelled stay 1?

No..I booked a split stay, then an additional reservation the entire length of the split stay. I made fastpasses, then cancelled the entire length stay. Just trying to see if the fastpasses stick with the split stay reservations in the system.

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

So you tested a split stay where you cancelled stay 1?

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[TheOneWithTheTriplets]

This. Have ANY fast passes been deleted yet? Has anyone tested the book/cancel to see if they really cancelled the FP’s? Surely someone knows by now.

If the policy only went official yesterday, then 48 hours haven't passed since people started testing things.

 

[gwynne]

This. Have ANY fast passes been deleted yet? Has anyone tested the book/cancel to see if they really cancelled the FP’s? Surely someone knows by now.

Not necessarily. They may wait a short period of time before cancelling FP's.
I would think next week we will have a better idea.

 

[DavidNYC]

I think Disney could just solve this whole problem by eliminating pre-booking of FP and do something like install machines at each ride's entrance where you could insert your ticket and get some sort of paper pass with a return time . . .

: )

 

[gwynne]

I think Disney could just solve this whole problem by eliminating pre-booking of FP and do something like install machines at each ride's entrance where you could insert your ticket and get some sort of paper pass with a return time . . .

: )

And when the kiosk type thingy isn't in use, they could cover it with brown naugahyde.

 

[Gentry2004]

I think Disney could just solve this whole problem by eliminating pre-booking of FP and do something like install machines at each ride's entrance where you could insert your ticket and get some sort of paper pass with a return time . . .

: )

Exactly. FPP was the beginning of the end.

 

[jlundeen]

I think Disney could just solve this whole problem by eliminating pre-booking of FP and do something like install machines at each ride's entrance where you could insert your ticket and get some sort of paper pass with a return time . . .

: )

And absolutely NO ONE could figure out how to game that system....

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

And absolutely NO ONE could figure out how to game that system....

or................nothing like the old days of sprinting to the first machine in 99 percent humidity to get that first paper fastpass!........and then sprinting somewhere else to join your party.

 

[disneygirlsng]

I think Disney could just solve this whole problem by eliminating pre-booking of FP and do something like install machines at each ride's entrance where you could insert your ticket and get some sort of paper pass with a return time . . .

: )

God I hope not. I would seriously reduce my Disney trip frequency if they did that, that may even be enough for me to stop going completely. I infinitely prefer the new system. While there are certainly flaws, it is sooooooo much better IMO. Just no to paper FPs.

 

[Magnoliafan]

i just hope that they keep it simple: If you book FP in the 30-60 day window and cancel a room reservation, then the system should review in 48 hours to see if each day of FP still has a matching on-site reservation. If not, the FP get cancelled. That should be it.

Otherwise, there are a lot of unfair unintended consequences. What about a family that books two separate but partially overlapping room-only reservations (say, 8 days at Pop June 1-9 and also 6 days at the Poly June 3-9) because they’re trying to decide which best fits their budget and vacation schedule? If they book FP for June 1-9 and then ultimately decide to splurge on the Poly and cancel Pop, then they shouldn’t have to worry that they’ll lose their FP for June 3-9 because they were technically booked 62 days before their final on-site reservation. Same thing for a family that books June 1-9 at any reservation and then has to shorten their dates to June 3-9 at the last minute because of budget or unexpected work/life/school changes. They shouldn’t lose their on-site FP advantage for the days they still have booked just because their plans changed.

 

[DavidNYC]

i just hope that they keep it simple: If you book FP in the 30-60 day window and cancel a room reservation, then the system should review in 48 hours to see if each day of FP still has a matching on-site reservation. If not, the FP get cancelled. That should be it.

Otherwise, there are a lot of unfair unintended consequences. What about a family that books two separate but partially overlapping room-only reservations (say, 8 days at Pop June 1-9 and also 6 days at the Poly June 3-9) because they’re trying to decide which best fits their budget and vacation schedule? If they book FP for June 1-9 and then ultimately decide to splurge on the Poly and cancel Pop, then they shouldn’t have to worry that they’ll lose their FP for June 3-9 because they were technically booked 62 days before their final on-site reservation. Same thing for a family that books June 1-9 at any reservation and then has to shorten their dates to June 3-9 at the last minute because of budget or unexpected work/life/school changes. They shouldn’t lose their on-site FP advantage for the days they still have booked just because their plans changed.

God I hope not. I would seriously reduce my Disney trip frequency if they did that, that may even be enough for me to stop going completely. I infinitely prefer the new system. While there are certainly flaws, it is sooooooo much better IMO. Just no to paper FPs.

To me that would be the right initial balance to try. MDE and FP has been progressively getting worse and worse and now they're trying to do an entire revamp of the system adding many layers of complexity before (as far as we know) solving the underlying structural problems? Next two months will be interesting to hear all the reports of what actually happens since I've yet to see anything official announced and to me, a major change like this really needs to be put in writing.

 

[DisBuckMan]

i just hope that they keep it simple: If you book FP in the 30-60 day window and cancel a room reservation, then the system should review in 48 hours to see if each day of FP still has a matching on-site reservation. If not, the FP get cancelled. That should be it.

Otherwise, there are a lot of unfair unintended consequences. What about a family that books two separate but partially overlapping room-only reservations (say, 8 days at Pop June 1-9 and also 6 days at the Poly June 3-9) because they’re trying to decide which best fits their budget and vacation schedule? If they book FP for June 1-9 and then ultimately decide to splurge on the Poly and cancel Pop, then they shouldn’t have to worry that they’ll lose their FP for June 3-9 because they were technically booked 62 days before their final on-site reservation. Same thing for a family that books June 1-9 at any reservation and then has to shorten their dates to June 3-9 at the last minute because of budget or unexpected work/life/school changes. They shouldn’t lose their on-site FP advantage for the days they still have booked just because their plans changed.

The only problem with that is... how do you differentiate between who is doing it for a legitimate reason, and who is doing it simply to get a jump on fastpasses?

 

[Marionnette]

A throwaway split stay. Building in that break day gives another days advantage on FP booking under the old system. Maybe Disney thinks taking that away will deter people enough that they won’t do it just for free parking and the bands.

That’s not how the throwaway reservations worked.

Before this change, people would book a throwaway campsite for one night. They would get free theme park parking for “arrival” and “departure” days (essentially 2 consecutive days). They would get MBs for everyone on the reservation and everyone on the reservation would have access to EMH if one fell one the “arrival” or “departure” day. None of that is changing. What has changed is that they got a roiling 60-day window for FPs following that reservation night. IOW, they could book FPs for Days #1 and #2 at 60 days prior to arrival and then at 58 days prior to arrival, they could book for Day #3’ and the at 57 days prior to arrival, they could book Day #4, and so forth. Now, they get a 60-day FP window that opens on arrival day and closes on departure day. Any subsequent days will need to be booked at 30 days prior to that day.

The every-other-day (EOD) reservations do not give them a 60-day+ FP booking advantage for all of their nights because they are not continuous. Each night reserved is a separate 60-day booking window. What EOD does is give them EMH, free theme park parking for 2 days for each night reserved and a rolling 60-day FP window. So in the MWF example, when the 60-day window opens for Monday, the guest could get FPs for Monday and Tuesday. But they would have to wait until the 60-day window opens for Wednesday in order to get GPs for Wednesday and Thursday.

This hardly puts them at any kind of FP booking advantage vs. someone who booked a 10-night stay, grabbed their FPs for 60+11 days and then canceled or shortened their reservation.

 

[disneygirlsng]

To me that would be the right initial balance to try. MDE and FP has been progressively getting worse and worse and now they're trying to do an entire revamp of the system adding many layers of complexity before (as far as we know) solving the underlying structural problems? Next two months will be interesting to hear all the reports of what actually happens since I've yet to see anything official announced and to me, a major change like this really needs to be put in writing.

I could take or leave the pre-booking of FPs, so doing it all same day would be fine for me. But if they go back to paper, I will very likely not go back. Being able to hop from one FP to the next non-stop all day just from my phone is invaluable to me. I can get nearly double the amount of FPs that I used to be able to do with paper, with half as much effort. I'm not walking back and forth to the same rides over and over just to get and then use FPs. This is the main reason I have little interest in going back to DL. I know they have MaxPass, but I'd rather not pay for that.

 

[NJlauren]

God I hope not. I would seriously reduce my Disney trip frequency if they did that, that may even be enough for me to stop going completely. I infinitely prefer the new system. While there are certainly flaws, it is sooooooo much better IMO. Just no to paper FPs.

You and me both. I don’t think the will go back, to much invested. I do love the new system, for me it’s way easier.

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

@rteetz - there’s a lot of talk here about loopholes and circumventing the system and leading reservations or throwaways or accessing FPs at 60 days as an off-site visitor. Of course there is also some relevant items being discussed. At what point does the DIS concede that Disney has made a change and these “Loopholes” shouldn’t be discussed here? I’m not trying to cause issues but how is some of this discussion much different from that whole SDFP thing that blew up awhile back?

 

[Gentry2004]

If they got rid of the “length of stay” advantage and made every guest book each day at 60 days out, leading reservations would have no advantage. Then if anyone cancels, they lose the FP for just the days they cancel/modify. If NO ONE can get FP+ before 60 days (except club level) availability should be good for everyone. Seems fair to me.

 

[cakebaker]

That’s not how the throwaway reservations worked.

Before this change, people would book a throwaway campsite for one night. They would get free theme park parking for “arrival” and “departure” days (essentially 2 consecutive days). They would get MBs for everyone on the reservation and everyone on the reservation would have access to EMH if one fell one the “arrival” or “departure” day. None of that is changing. What has changed is that they got a roiling 60-day window for FPs following that reservation night. IOW, they could book FPs for Days #1 and #2 at 60 days prior to arrival and then at 58 days prior to arrival, they could book for Day #3’ and the at 57 days prior to arrival, they could book Day #4, and so forth. Now, they get a 60-day FP window that opens on arrival day and closes on departure day. Any subsequent days will need to be booked at 30 days prior to that day.

The every-other-day (EOD) reservations do not give them a 60-day+ FP booking advantage for all of their nights because they are not continuous. Each night reserved is a separate 60-day booking window. What EOD does is give them EMH, free theme park parking for 2 days for each night reserved and a rolling 60-day FP window. So in the MWF example, when the 60-day window opens for Monday, the guest could get FPs for Monday and Tuesday. But they would have to wait until the 60-day window opens for Wednesday in order to get GPs for Wednesday and Thursday.

This hardly puts them at any kind of FP booking advantage vs. someone who booked a 10-night stay, grabbed their FPs for 60+11 days and then canceled or shortened their reservation.

I’m taking the example directly from the throwaway thread. It’s definitely a variation. I’m pretty familiar with how throwaways work.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Help me out as I just got back from our trip and missed these “changes.”

Do we know for certain this is new policy or is this speculation again? I don’t have a dog in this fight as we stay on site and don’t split, but there seems to be a lot of absolutes being posted when nothing has happened yet?