I've reached my breaking point with Disney and this mess

[Allison]

I understand it's a pandemic and things are changing daily. What I don't get is how so many defend Disney and they can't do no wrong. I'm sorry they have been wrong in a lot during this.

Them cancelling all FPs, ADRs and the Dining Plan says a lot. First of all they should never had let people keep making reservations once they closed. People were still allowed to book ADRs and FPs as if things were normal. That's all on Disney. I'm sure most will defend that too.

I'm not sure you do understand things are changing daily. If they stopped letting people make reservations earlier they would endure the same arm-chair quarterbacking.

It isn't defending. It is understanding the difficulty of trying to reopen a business during an unprecedented time.

It is quite apparent that some people don't understand the magnitude of trying to open a business during a pandemic especially a business that is essentially offering a service. It is a tremendous task. You hope you get it right. You hope you do too much to protect people instead of too little.

 

[bb32]

Don’t let this unique time in history ruin for you the joy that Disney has brought to you and your family.

It’s still an awesome company that will make billions without you or I. If you feel you got the short end of the stick here by all means write a letter or email to Chapek himself if that makes you feel better. Don’t scream at some mid level manager over the phone who has no control over any of this.

Disney is trying to do its best as are all of us. Sucks you got stuck in a bad position, but let it go and move on. So much more in life and more fun times to come.

 

[Brett Wyman]

I think Disney is doing the best that they possibly can and I applaud them. And I also lost my free dining.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I understand it's a pandemic and things are changing daily. What I don't get is how so many defend Disney and they can't do no wrong. I'm sorry they have been wrong in a lot during this.

(annoying teacher-y commen alert) You are saying Disney can do wrong. Double negative [can't + no] = positive.

Them cancelling all FPs, ADRs and the Dining Plan says a lot. First of all they should never had let people keep making reservations once they closed. People were still allowed to book ADRs and FPs as if things were norma

They'll now be 100% prepared next time there's a worldwide pandenmic. I'm a bit confused why Disney, and only Disney, is expected to be fully prepared when no other entity - no country, no government, no business, no health organozation, no individual - is expected to be.

 

[Disneylover99]

They'll now be 100% prepared next time there's a worldwide pandenmic. I'm a bit confused why Disney, and only Disney, is expected to be fully prepared when no other entity - no country, no government, no business, no health organozation, no individual - is expected to be.

Better prepared. No doubt. But 100%? Unlikely. Who knows what type of potential pandemics are lurking around the corner. Each new disease comes with it’s own set of unknown/undiscovered/ever changing rules.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Talking to a supervisor or manager to vent is like having a good therapy sesh...hope you feel better after!

Who does the supervisor get to talk to for therapy?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Better prepared. No doubt. But 100%? Unlikely.

Good point. Better prepared, even much better. But 100% only if the next pandemic is the identical virus. Except maybe Disney, from which everyone already expects 110%

Who does the supervisor get to talk to for therapy?

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Actual therapist, using EAP benefit.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I don't understand who is going to go to WDW as soon as they open. That's just asking to get COVID-19.

 

[Brett Wyman]

I don't understand who is going to go to WDW as soon as they open. That's just asking to get COVID-19.

Maybe? But thats not really what the data is showing right now.

 

[kdonnel]

I don't understand who is going to go to WDW as soon as they open. That's just asking to get COVID-19.

If I can get a reservation for July 11th, I will be there with my family with no fear that we are at any higher risk then going to the grocery store.

 

[skyblue17]

If I can get a reservation for July 11th, I will be there with my family with no fear that we are at any higher risk then going to the grocery store.

You spend six hours at a grocery store, touching things everybody else touches?

 

[kdonnel]

You spend six hours at a grocery store, touching things everybody else touches?

My grocery stores are indoor, trips tend to take 30-45 minutes.

I expect that every ride will involve much less then 30-45 minutes inside, the vast majority of the time will be outside where transmission is difficult.

 

[skyblue17]

My grocery stores are indoor, trips tend to take 30-45 minutes.

I expect that every ride will involve much less then 30-45 minutes inside, the vast majority of the time will be outside where transmission is difficult.

But you'll be touching a LOT more stuff, no? And aren't a lot of rides and queues enclosed?

 

[fly girl]

I understand it's a pandemic and things are changing daily. What I don't get is how so many defend Disney and they can't do no wrong. I'm sorry they have been wrong in a lot during this.

Them cancelling all FPs, ADRs and the Dining Plan says a lot. First of all they should never had let people keep making reservations once they closed. People were still allowed to book ADRs and FPs as if things were normal. That's all on Disney. I'm sure most will defend that too.

I know by your posts you are not a fan of the people who think "Disney is the only park" and, "Disney can do no wrong."

I am a person who enjoys a lot of different parks (if you recall, I am a huge fan of Cedar Point.) So I am definitely not in the camp of Disney is the only one. There are also many things I don't like that Disney has done, just mention 180 ADR and FP+ and my eyes roll. I don't like them, but I play the game because I love Disney.

With all that said, you now know I don't hold the Disney can do no wrong attitude.

Moving on ...

I don't blame Disney at all for doing what they did. They had hopes that they could open so they wanted to keep things moving on as normal as possible. If you booked all of those knowing a pandemic was in our midst and thought there wasn't a possibility it could cancel, then you were living under a rock. I knew full well what I was getting into when I rescheduled an April trip for late June. I did it anyway, it actually gave me a nice distraction planning something. Planning made me happy. Now is cancelled. Bummer, yeah. Disney's fault, no.

They are dealing with this the way everyone is dealing with it. Day by day.

I don't think they had any clue they were going to have to cancel all the FP's and ADR's. When they finally got a plan in place, they had to go back and cancel. Would you expect an airline to just say no, we aren't going to have anyone book flights in the future until we know what is going on? You can't run a business that way. I can't fault Disney on this. It is just not fair.

I do agree, having to cancel the Free Dining was a sting to many people. But I don't think Disney intentionally said lets get everyone's hopes up and then crash them down. They couldn't fulfill the offer due to limiting guests in the parks. It stinks, but it wouldn't be enough for me to say Disney is dead to me. I am cutting businesses slack because I think they are handling a situation no one was prepared for. This is the once in a 100 years occurrence, not your typical national emergency.

 

[kdonnel]

But you'll be touching a LOT more stuff, no? And aren't a lot of rides and queues enclosed?

The primary source of transmission is continuous close contact with a symptomatic person for 5-30 minutes. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Most scientists believe pre-symptomatic transmission is possible but again requires continuous close contact for 5-30 minutes. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Scientists have yet to show if asymptomatic transmission is really possible. They assume it is based on pre-symptomatic transmission but really don't know know for sure so to err on the side of caution say it is probably possible. But again transmission would require 5-30 minutes of continuous close contact. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Touch risk is minimal and can be even further reduced by periodic hand washing.

The theory behind cancelling fast passes is that the fast pass queues will be used. They are generally the shortest and most direct ways into the rides. Time inside will be minimal.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The theory behind cancelling fast passes is that the fast pass queues will be used. They are generally the shortest and most direct ways into the rides. Time inside will be minimal.

I think from what I read it's not necessarily that they will only use the FP queue but rather that allows them additional space. Opening up as much queue space as possible combined with virtual queues allows you to have the 6ft markers more adequately. But I am interested in how they will be doing it all.

 

[kdonnel]

I think from what I read it's not necessarily that they will only use the FP queue but rather that allows them additional space. Opening up as much queue space as possible combined with virtual queues allows you to have the 6ft markers more adequately. But I am interested in how they will be doing it all.

Based on the fear level still present in the die hard DIS Disney fans, I don't think there will be much demand for park reservations. I think lines will be non existent for several weeks to months.

 

[Searc]

Based on the fear level still present in the die hard DIS Disney fans, I don't think there will be much demand for park reservations. I think lines will be non existent for several weeks to months.

I think you're in for a big surprise. Lines will be shorter, due to the limited capacity, not limited demand.

 

[kdonnel]

I think you're in for a big surprise. Lines will be shorter, due to the limited capacity, not limited demand.

I hope so.

I know from what I have seen here in Georgia, people are still afraid and not venturing out. The state has been reopening since April. The majority of my friends have yet to dine in a restaurant or visit a store for pleasure shopping. Restaurants have been allowed to open for dine in but few have because the demand is just not there. The mall is open but only about 50% of the stores are open and even then with extremely limited hours.

People are still very much afraid.

 

[buzznina]

The primary source of transmission is continuous close contact with a symptomatic person for 5-30 minutes. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Most scientists believe pre-symptomatic transmission is possible but again requires continuous close contact for 5-30 minutes. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Scientists have yet to show if asymptomatic transmission is really possible. They assume it is based on pre-symptomatic transmission but really don't know know for sure so to err on the side of caution say it is probably possible. But again transmission would require 5-30 minutes of continuous close contact. That is unlikely to happen at WDW.

Touch risk is minimal and can be even further reduced by periodic hand washing.

The theory behind cancelling fast passes is that the fast pass queues will be used. They are generally the shortest and most direct ways into the rides. Time inside will be minimal.

Not sure what scientists you got this from but the CDC, New England journal of medicine and John Hopkins are just 3 researchers that disagree with your statement. Also not sure where you heard 5-30 minute exposure. It doesn't take 5-0 minutes for a droplet to get into your eyes, nose or mouth.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/05/12/gigi-gronvall-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19-immunity-passports/