This insane housing market.

This makes me wonder what the housing market will look like when my kids grow up and want to buy houses. Will they be able to afford anything? Still have 8 years before the oldest finishes college.
My kids will hopefully be buying in the next several years (trying to save downpayments currently), but they’re going to have to be savvy about it, as prices here have been high for a long time, and are worse than ever now. I worry about it, too. Likely they’ll wind up with something fairly small that has good bones but needs some work, which, still, will be in the $480-500,000K range. 😬 Two people I work with their age just bought homes for $750,000 and $550,000. I get agita just thinking about it, as it impacts a lot of things in life.

We bought in late 80s, prices had just doubled at that time (which impacted us then and to a degree, still does today), and interest rates were 11.5%. We sweated it for a while, too, and had to have PMI and all that, until we refinanced as interest rates lowered. We stayed in our first home, built on, and are sitting on some nice equity now. But if we wanted to move, even into a smaller home, I’m not sure it would make sense financially, as we would likely want something newer that doesn’t have all the problems that a 60 yr old house has, and we’d want someone else to take care of the lawn and snow, and those types of properties cost big bucks, probably more than what our house is even worth. So we sit it out and see what happens for a while. One of our kids may wind up buying our house, who knows.
When my little 816 sq. foot house was bought in 2008, we paid $199k. Today it's estimated value is around $430k. Whenever my husband talks about buying something larger, I point out that I'd like to actually have something in savings from when we're older.
These are the types of homes that if you stay in them long enough, they’re great for retirement! :p
 
What I think will happen is the buyers of these houses will eventually decide they either don't like where they moved to, their job will change and require them to come back into the office, or something else will happen that will suddenly make these people change their minds. Then, you will start to see more and more houses listed for sale, and prices will have to become more competitive and the market will flip in favor of buyers. That is when we will start to see the correction in the local markets. I don't foresee a large scale housing crash, but more of a gradual shift back to reality pricing in many currently overpriced markets.

A lot of people are making rash, emotional, spontaneous decisions right now. I don't expect a lot of it to stick.
I don’t know. My husband and I are the people who relocated due to remote work, though we did it in early 2019 prior to the pandemic.

We were born into and lived our whole lives in a high COL area. We bought our first home based strictly on what we could afford within driving distance of our jobs, which meant a one-hour-one-way commute for him and an hour-and-twenty minute commute, one-way, for me in an area with some of the worst traffic in the country. The house was fine — a typical suburban townhouse. Neither of us ever cared for the area — always a bit redneck and slummy — but our far flung jobs and social circles meant we never spent much time in the community anyway, so it wasn’t a huge deal.

We looked into moving many times over the years but there was always some major drawback that kept us in place. Astronomical prices in the nice areas, high crime and abysmal schools in the affordable areas, or we’d be stuck moving another hour+ farther out to some podunk town to strike the right balance of what we wanted vs. what we could get for the money. So, we stayed, way longer than we ever intended.

Seventeen years passed. By then, I was a SAHM and my husband’s job had him working from home most of the time with just an occasional trip into the office or to an on-site location. We spent more time at home and, boy, had the area really gone downhill over the years. The only community amenities in our neighborhood were two sad little tot lots. The only place within walking distance, through the woods over broken liquor bottles, was a rundown shopping center with a Food Lion, dollar store, and a McDonalds. The area was economically depressed, crime was up, the schools that my son would be attending carried a score of 1 out of 10, and we hated the place more than ever.

We were so fed up we threw the towel in on the whole damn state. :laughing: We put together a list of everything we wanted to improve our quality of life, started researching and scouring maps, and found it. My husband told his boss we were moving and that he was hoping his position could be made fully remote. His boss pushed back on that and my husband said fine, he’d fly back once a month for a couple of days so nothing would change with his current on-site presence. And we left.

We now live in a lower COL area in a city that frequently ends up on those “Best places to live” lists. Very low crime, top notch schools. Our house is four times the size of our old one. The neighborhood is picturesque and has a lake, pool, tennis courts, pickleball courts, playground, clubhouse, and connects to a beautiful county park that has a packed-full schedule of community events. We’re walking distance from tons of shopping, dining, and recreation. A mile south of us is a chain of riverside national parks stretching 48 miles east to west. A mile north is a large greenway that connects several of the area cities through an expansive network of trails and multi-use pathways, allowing pedestrians and cyclists access through parks, forests, nature preserves, city centers, and shopping and entertainment complexes. I’m 20 minutes from a major city, 5 minutes from a midsize city, and an hour from the mountains. We have everything we could want at our fingertips.

Funnily, my husband never once had to fly “back home” for work. His company started embracing remote work more and more, several other employees moved out-of-state, all of their new hires are scattered around the country, and now, just three years later, it’s a fully remote company.

The difference between how we live now vs. how we lived before is incredible. Sometimes I have to pinch myself. I would never willingly go back. You’d have to drag me kicking and screaming. ::yes:: I’m sure some people might move and then change their minds, but I wouldn’t underestimate how many people were only living where they were because they were tied there by their jobs. Once given the freedom to go anywhere, I think there will be a good number of people who find themselves happier elsewhere in a place of their choosing, as opposed to a place of their circumstances.

Right? I'm over here in So Cal like "I would buy a $600k, 1800sq ft 4 bedroom house YESTERDAY. Sign me up!"
We paid less than that for our 5600sq ft, 5 bedroom (will be 6 bedroom after we finish a currently unfinished space). Maybe that’s why I have so many neighbors from California. ;)

Thanks for reading my life story!:rotfl:
 
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I saw a house for sale in Bandon, OR last Saturday on Zillow. It was an incredible price and close to the beach. It had been on the market for 8 hours when I saw it. I was super interested in pursuing since this town is our retirement dream town. I went back on the listing 24 hours later on Sunday....SOLD!!!
 
This situation will definitely start changing soon though. As the Fed reverses their “free money” stance, homes will become more unaffordable, and the market will cool (some). There’s a big difference between a $500k mortgage at 3%, and the same mortgage at 6%.

i also anticipate that as different states work their way through their post 'no eviction' mandates that their may well be a glut of previous rental properties either sold or forced into foreclosure. i personally know of landlords who own and have rented their prior homes in other states for years that have/are counting the minutes until their existing tenant's leases expire with plans of selling a.s.a.p. because they are no longer willing to deal with the anxiety being a landlord. we've had news reports for months and months about local landlords, not large companies but individuals and couples who own one or two homes or a duplex that are facing foreclosure on not only those but their own primary residence because of unpaid rent for over a year. what with the regulations in place (at least here) on how to deal with renters owing the likelyhood is these owners will never recoup a penny of what is owed them, their mortgages/property taxes and other associated expenses won't go away and just as with the housing bubble we will see the number of foreclosure and auction sales accelerate which will impact a region's general housing market.
 
This situation will definitely start changing soon though. As the Fed reverses their “free money” stance, homes will become more unaffordable, and the market will cool (some). There’s a big difference between a $500k mortgage at 3%, and the same mortgage at 6%.

And this is what will bring the "frenzy" part of this market to an end. People will still buy houses, they always do, but a lot of this army of millennials that I hear are out in force buying....will retreat back to their rental units because they'll be priced out.

As for the rates you referenced, It's a huge difference....a 500K mortgage at 6% is 42% more per month than the same mortgage at 3% (about $900 more per month). Rising rates are going to cool this market off for sure. And the knowledge that rates are going up is what is causing the last bit of frenzy in the current market. 30 year mortgage rates are already above 4...and heading up from there for awhile for sure.
 
We’ve received letters in the mail from real estate agents and even regular people asking to buy our house and we aren’t even looking to sell! It’s been crazy everywhere. Word on the street is that the Fed will raise interest rates in March, so that will slightly cool things off a bit.
 
I guess nobody wants to move to NJ. Our home value was actually just appraised for less than it was about 8-10 years ago. We did a refi and it was a little shocking.
 
I guess nobody wants to move to NJ. Our home value was actually just appraised for less than it was about 8-10 years ago. We did a refi and it was a little shocking.

Interesting, I'm in NJ and we're way up from 8-10 years ago. Especially since we bought was essentially the nicest house on the block (previous owners gutted and remodeled it)....so we paid a premium in 2007 at pretty much the height of the last bubble. When the market tanked, the value went down about 25% and stayed there until about 2013 when it started to creep back up. The street didn't change much...still mostly older homes that hadn't been rehabbed. But in the last two years, all of the sudden that's happening and the market has also come up with it in general. So, we paid 535K and it bottomed out around 400K, but now I could easily get 675K....at least for awhile I suspect. It's still not an expensive house for our area overall...so I think being in that range will keep the price up for a bit. Still, it took over ten years for our home to be worth what we paid for it...after buying at the peak in 2007. I would think that we'll see a drop in the overall market this time around too...maybe not 25%, but 10+% is definitely a possibility, especially in super hot housing areas.
 
The market is on fire in my area. Due to a break-up, I had to buy during the height of the frenzy last summer, and my home is already worth over 10% more than what I bought it for (which was $20,000 above asking price, and the list price was already double what it would have been 10 years earlier). I don't see prices here ever dropping. I can see the upward surge halting due to higher interest rates, but the prices are going to stay where they are at least, and not drop, in my area. Tons of people are moving here from California, in particular. They see what a nice area this is, relatively affordable, without the crazy laws of where they come from, and are moving here in droves. This will never be an affordable area for the lower-middle class again.
 
Interesting, I'm in NJ and we're way up from 8-10 years ago. Especially since we bought was essentially the nicest house on the block (previous owners gutted and remodeled it)....so we paid a premium in 2007 at pretty much the height of the last bubble. When the market tanked, the value went down about 25% and stayed there until about 2013 when it started to creep back up. The street didn't change much...still mostly older homes that hadn't been rehabbed. But in the last two years, all of the sudden that's happening and the market has also come up with it in general. So, we paid 535K and it bottomed out around 400K, but now I could easily get 675K....at least for awhile I suspect. It's still not an expensive house for our area overall...so I think being in that range will keep the price up for a bit. Still, it took over ten years for our home to be worth what we paid for it...after buying at the peak in 2007. I would think that we'll see a drop in the overall market this time around too...maybe not 25%, but 10+% is definitely a possibility, especially in super hot housing areas.

We bought in 2001 for 435k. It's a 3 bedroom 1960's ranch ( 4th bedroom downstairs w/bathroom but no egress window so it doesn't count). It was appraised about 10 yrs ago for 700k, but now in the low 600k. The kitchen and two bathrooms were remodeled 20 years ago. We put a lot of work into our back yard, planted a lot of evergreens for privacy and build retaining walls and a patio but that doesn't do much for the resale price.

We have some tear downs in our area now, big, beautiful houses that are going for 1.2 - 1.3 million. We spoke with an architect and he said if we sell, it might be bought by a developer who would tear it down and rebuild. I want to remodel and add a 2nd story but my husband is having a hard time parting with the money (we have it, so no need to take out another mortgage) in these uncertain financial times.
 
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I live in a tourist town. Investors (foreign and domestic) come in and gobble these homes up. You can pretty much tell, you hardly ever see them, you never see their trash cans out on collection day, their garage is practically empty, etc. This is the case with a bunch of homes here.
 
We bought in 2001 for 435k. It's a 3 bedroom 1960's ranch ( 4th bedroom downstairs w/bathroom but no egress window so it doesn't count). It was appraised about 10 yrs ago for 700k, but now in the low 600k. The kitchen and two bathrooms were remodeled 20 years ago. We put a lot of work into our back yard, planted a lot of evergreens for privacy and build retaining walls and a patio but that doesn't do much for the resale price.

We have some tear downs in our area now, big, beautiful houses that are going for 1.2 - 1.3 million. We spoke with an architect and he said if we sell, it might be bought by a developer who would tear it down and rebuild. I want to remodel and add a 2nd story but my husband is having a hard time parting with the money (we have it, so no need to take out another mortgage) in these uncertain financial times.


You sound like you're in an area like mine. I live in an old town with lots of remodels and tear downs happening now. We just bought our remodel before there were many others in our town. In the towns further east...towards the beach....that has been happening for the last 5 years in a big way. We have been hoping that trend would make it to our town and that has finally happened. The price of rentals here has gone way up too. 2 bed/bath rentals are over 3K a month here...for an apartment building with no outdoor space at all. Homes like mine are going for $4,500 a month.
 
We had a strict rule when buying our house - the mortgage couldn’t be higher than we could afford on my salary alone. We could have qualified for a mortgage 40-50% higher, but even though I’d love to have a nicer house, we can make improvements to ours to make it a good Home.

It’s a good thing we stuck to our guns when we bought. My wife’s work scaled back, and then we had our daughter, so only part time consulting for my DW now.

while I feel bad for uneducated people who didn’t understand the possible impacts of their ARM’s, I have much (much) less compassion for people who buy more home than they can afford, and who know that they’re just hanging on by a thread. Or the people who are over leveraged so they could by multiple homes, to take advantage of the high rents or flipping value. Know your chances of failure going in, and then accept the losses if it happens. And build your finances around safety for your family, not around how you’re going to get rich, or FOMO. As a society I think we’ve lost our sense of personal responsibility in so many respects.

My nephew and his girlfriend just bought a house. He was in community college 5 years ago, and working a regular retail job 2 years ago. They paid $800k. It’s a bit of a fixer upper, but definitely not what I’d call a starter home. Now I know they can always turn to Mom and Dad (on either side) if something goes wrong, but personally I would never recommend something like that for my first home.

I’m sure they’ll get it fixed up, and it’ll be a great investment, but the whole situation is way outside my personal risk profile.

My Dad sold real estate for many years. He would strongly encourage couples to only figure in one person's paycheck to pay the mortgage. He told them that if one of them couldn't work for whatever reason, they might not be able to afford their house if they were depending on 2 incomes to pay for it.
He was a very smart man, and it's good to hear someone else say the same thing.
 
You sound like you're in an area like mine. I live in an old town with lots of remodels and tear downs happening now. We just bought our remodel before there were many others in our town. In the towns further east...towards the beach....that has been happening for the last 5 years in a big way. We have been hoping that trend would make it to our town and that has finally happened. The price of rentals here has gone way up too. 2 bed/bath rentals are over 3K a month here...for an apartment building with no outdoor space at all. Homes like mine are going for $4,500 a month.

We are in "Executives living in mansions driving Mercedes-Benzes" (we have no Benz or mansion). If you don't mind, where are you?

Remodels here are in high demand and go for about 800k but get bid up very fast to 900k. A 950k listing easily gets to over a million in a bidding war. The must haves are a white kitchen and a master bedroom with huge walk in closet and large en suite.

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We are in "Executives living in mansions driving Mercedes-Benzes" (we have no Benz or mansion). If you don't mind, where are you?

Remodels here are in high demand and go for about 800k but get bid up very fast to 900k. A 950k listing easily gets to over a million in a bidding war. The must haves are a white kitchen and a master bedroom with huge walk in closet and large en suite.

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LOL! I have never seen that map before....that's hysterical. I'm in "Bankers and Businessmen"....grew up in "Working Call People and Beach Houses".....haha. The map is hysterical....love the "Pretty Much Alabama" and "Pines and Pineys Everywhere". NJ is a small state, but there are parts of NJ that are terrifying....and I'm not talking about the cities...haha!
 
There's this Housing market: Many looking to 2022 amid 2021 buyer's remorse (msn.com) Mills being the biggest of buyer's remorse. "According to a Bankrate survey, 64% of millennials, which drove much of the housing market in 2021, say they regret in some form or another their home purchase. Many said they thought they paid too much or didn’t get the best mortgage rate they could have. They also said the cost of homeownership was more than they expected."

Some landlords are getting greedy come lease renewals because of "marketplace rates." Woman gets lower rent after 13 Action News gets involved (ktnv.com) This is exactly what's happening almost everywhere in the rental market.
 
Reading these posts about the cost of "starter homes" in different parts of the country, make me so glad to live where I do. I am in KY. Real estate prices in Louisville are a little inflated right now, but nothing like other parts of the country. We paid $175,000 for our 2400 sq ft 4 bed/2 bath home 13 years ago. Zillow is estimating it at about $300,000, but I think we could realistically get $250,000-$260,000 for it if we sold right now. My DH really wants to move out of the city and to a more rural area, but I think we should just stay where we are until this house is paid for in 11 more years.
 
There's this Housing market: Many looking to 2022 amid 2021 buyer's remorse (msn.com) Mills being the biggest of buyer's remorse. "According to a Bankrate survey, 64% of millennials, which drove much of the housing market in 2021, say they regret in some form or another their home purchase. Many said they thought they paid too much or didn’t get the best mortgage rate they could have. They also said the cost of homeownership was more than they expected."

Some landlords are getting greedy come lease renewals because of "marketplace rates." Woman gets lower rent after 13 Action News gets involved (ktnv.com) This is exactly what's happening almost everywhere in the rental market.

First we’re killing the housing market not buying, now we’re being punished for it because we are 🙄

I regret nothing. My husband and I agreed that whatever home we bought the plan was to stay there for at least 10 years (barring jobs requiring us to move or some other unforeseen circumstance.) It was move-in ready but there is still so much potential to upgrade it over time and truly make it “ours”.
 
There's this Housing market: Many looking to 2022 amid 2021 buyer's remorse (msn.com) Mills being the biggest of buyer's remorse. "According to a Bankrate survey, 64% of millennials, which drove much of the housing market in 2021, say they regret in some form or another their home purchase. Many said they thought they paid too much or didn’t get the best mortgage rate they could have. They also said the cost of homeownership was more than they expected."

Some landlords are getting greedy come lease renewals because of "marketplace rates." Woman gets lower rent after 13 Action News gets involved (ktnv.com) This is exactly what's happening almost everywhere in the rental market.

I wonder what alternatives they had in mind with those regrets, or if it is more of a "in a perfect world" sort of regret rather than a comparison to real-world conditions. And I'm really curious about those who are concerned about their mortgage rate - my son's mortgage rate, as a 23yo with limited credit history, is half what ours was when we were starting out at his age in similar circumstances, which made the inflated prices easier to swallow.

I know my son does feel like he paid too much - and I would tend to agree - but his mortgage payment on a 3bed/2bth house is about $200/mo cheaper than rent on a studio apartment in our area so he doesn't regret buying rather than renting. He just resents the huge increase in housing prices between the time he started shopping, literally days before the pandemic shut everything down, and when he was actually able to get an offer accepted in late 2021. But he's also aware that the increase in rents has been worse - DS didn't plan to take on a second roommate (my bonus son already lives with him) but might be letting a long-time friend rent the spare bedroom because the friend is looking at a 40% increase in the rent on his current apartment that will take effect when his lease renews in March.
 

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