People interested in Poly2: are you hoping for new association or same?

[DVCSunDevil]

I am sure you have been to Stormalong Bay. They have to have CMs guarding it like hawks. A MagicBand is not going to keep people out.

That's different. If people are going to jump fences and break rules to get it, then that is what it is.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

I guess a better question might be, why would they even want to enforce this?

Have you been to the Volcano pool recently? I was in February. Let me tell you, they would want to enforce this. You will have a lot of really angry cash paying guests who will not be able to enjoy the pool, just like the person I know who was there recently.

 

[RamblinWreck]

I am thinking after the direct prices for AKL, OKW and SSR, DVC is trying to make more money. If they come out with the same association, I would rather buy a resale Poly contract than get the direct price, which I am sure will be pretty high in the next three years. Making it a new resort, contracts for this resort would at the beginning be only direct contracts until people resale their contracts

They may also want to make it part of the same association for the purposes of leveraging the fact that Poly is currently just studios and bungalows.

Folding the new building into the current association could make it easier to achieve a more desirable mix of room categories overall.

And also folding it into the current association allows them to sell the points at the same rate at other points, while still making them more expensive because you are buying less for the money.

 

[Sandisw]

That goes back to my original point. If it was two separate associations, they can do whatever they want. I am not saying they will do this, I am just thinking through ways they could limit the Volcano pool from getting worse than it already is. And the pool WILL get worse if 1000-1500 more people per day have access to it. Saying "In order for what you are saying to be the new tower can not be associated with Polynesian in any way or name" is only because that is what they have done in the past. Disney has shown they are willing to implement restrictions and change the status quo.

Obviously if it is the same association then everyone will have access to everything. But making them separate associations gives Disney some options.

I think you may be stuck on the DVC side of this and that the association designation has something to do with anything more than booking windows, MFs, and resale restrictions.

Pretend this was announced as a new tower being added to the Poly, and left out the words DVC villas. Do you still think they would be able to restrict people to their own pool?

 

[RamblinWreck]

Have you been to the Volcano pool recently? I was in February. Let me tell you, they would want to enforce this. You will have a lot of really angry cash paying guests who will not be able to enjoy the pool, just like the person I know who was there recently.

And then these people will have a whole new pool at the resort they can go to.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

No, I am basing it off the fact that they have said it is part of the Poly resort, It can’t be part of the Poly resort without having access to the Poly resort, which includes the volcano pool, or the other pool as well.

If they are going to shut out people staying at the tower from using things at the Poly, then it is would even be a Poy tower, or a PVB2, or anything related to Poly at all.

Got it. So you are saying it is impossible for Disney to restrict access of Poly2 guests to the Volcano pool if Poly2 is a separate association from the original Poly? As in there is something in writing that restricts them from making a decision like that. I see all your points and they are very good. I even agree with you that Disney will implement things like you are saying. I am more playing devils advocate because of the need to do something about the demand around the Volcano pool.

This, however, is the one point with which I disagree with you. Disney has it within their power to build a nice pool at Poly2 and then restrict those Poly2 guests from using the Volcano pool, even though Poly2 is part of "Polynesian". Have they done that in the past? No. Is it likely they do that in this case? No. But CAN they do it if they felt there was a need to do it? I think they can.

 

[Sandisw]

They may also want to make it part of the same association for the purposes of leveraging the fact that Poly is currently just studios and bungalows.

Folding the new building into the current association could make it easier to achieve a more desirable mix of room categories overall.

And also folding it into the current association allows them to sell the points at the same rate at other points, while still making them more expensive because you are buying less for the money.

They could decide this for sure. But, then you have to ask if it benefits DVD to do this vs. a new assocation?

They know that building Poly as a studio only resort…forget the bungalows..was a mistake and not the best way to go.

When converting BPK, which would be studios only, and resort studios at that, they may have decided it made no sense to make it a new association because it would be repeating the Poly mistake again.

The tower allows them to make a new resort at the Poly, with the other rooms sizes that fixes what has already occurred,

But, the current owners at Poly bought knowing it’s drawbacks and DVD could decide it will sell better by offering only new owners home resort advantage for the tower rooms.

There are a lot of pluses for the current Poly owner to benefit for it to be all one…but, the question will be what DVD thinks makes them the most money and will sell the best.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

And then these people will have a whole new pool at the resort they can go to.

We already discussed this situation in this thread. Yes, some people may use the new Poly2 pool. But the Volcano pool is the marquis pool. The number of those 1000-1500 new guests per day that want to enjoy Volcano is going to outnumber those original Polynesian guests who would prefer that new pool to the Volcano pool.

Listen, I am not saying these restrictions are going to happen. I originally brought this up because the Volcano pool is going to be more of a mob scene than it currently is if all those new guests have unrestricted access...which they probably will. But when the resort has cash paying guests who are dropping up to $2000 PER NIGHT (depending on the time of year) and can't get a chair at the Volcano pool things will get interesting. The person I know who was just there spent $7700 for their 7 night stay and they couldn't get any seating at the pool. And her 8th grade son was really upset. That's what the resort will be dealing with but with a larger number of people.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

I think you may be stuck on the DVC side of this and that the association designation has something to do with anything more than booking windows, MFs, and resale restrictions.

Pretend this was announced as a new tower being added to the Poly, and left out the words DVC villas. Do you still think they would be able to restrict people to their own pool?

Point taken. And you are correct, they couldn't do anything in that instance. I see the angle that you are looking at it from.

I am just trying to figure out the logistics of this. Like I said in another comment just now, the person I know who was there in Feb dropped $7700 on a week long stay at Poly. They weren't able to get seats at the pool once all week, and they tried every day because of how hot it was. That is a problem, and it is a problem that will only get worse when 1500 more people are staying there.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

They could decide this for sure. But, then you have to ask if it benefits DVD to do this vs. a new assocation?

They know that building Poly as a studio only resort…forget the bungalows..was a mistake and not the best way to go.

When converting BPK, which would be studios only, and resort studios at that, they may have decided it made no sense to make it a new association because it would be repeating the Poly mistake again.

The tower allows them to make a new resort at the Poly, with the other rooms sizes that fixes what has already occurred,

But, the current owners at Poly bought knowing it’s drawbacks and DVD could decide it will sell better by offering only new owners home resort advantage for the tower rooms.

There are a lot of pluses for the current Poly owner to benefit for it to be all one…but, the question will be what DVD thinks makes them the most money and will sell the best.

And these points are exactly why I flip back and forth. These are such good points as to why the Poly2 would be rolled into the original Polynesian association. It would make so much sense from this standpoint. And then you read all the points about why it would make sense to make Poly2 it's own association...and all those points are good ones too.

Who the heck knows!? Like you said previously, it is a wait and see situation. Thank you for the feedback and discussion, though. It's very enlightening

 

[Sandisw]

Got it. So you are saying it is impossible for Disney to restrict access of Poly2 guests to the Volcano pool if Poly2 is a separate association from the original Poly? As in there is something in writing that restricts them from making a decision like that. I see all your points and they are very good. I even agree with you that Disney will implement things like you are saying. I am more playing devils advocate because of the need to do something about the demand around the Volcano pool.

This, however, is the one point with which I disagree with you. Disney has it within their power to build a nice pool at Poly2 and then restrict those Poly2 guests from using the Volcano pool, even though Poly2 is part of "Polynesian". Have they done that in the past? No. Is it likely they do that in this case? No. But CAN they do it if they felt there was a need to do it? I think they can.

If people staying at the tower do not have access to the amenities at the Poly, then it is not part of the Poly resort,

Based on what you are saying, they could restrict current Poly owners from the Volcano pool and let the new tower guests have access.

Or, make the Volcano pool only for those staying on cash. Remember, the Volcano Pool is part of the WDW hotel and not DVC.

it makes no sense for them to build new rooms at the Poly and not allow those guests to use things at the Poly. It has nothing to do with the rooms being sold as DVC villas.

 

[RamblinWreck]

They could decide this for sure. But, then you have to ask if it benefits DVD to do this vs. a new assocation?

They know that building Poly as a studio only resort…forget the bungalows..was a mistake and not the best way to go.

When converting BPK, which would be studios only, and resort studios at that, they may have decided it made no sense to make it a new association because it would be repeating the Poly mistake again.

The tower allows them to make a new resort at the Poly, with the other rooms sizes that fixes what has already occurred,

But, the current owners at Poly bought knowing it’s drawbacks and DVD could decide it will sell better by offering only new owners home resort advantage for the tower rooms.

There are a lot of pluses for the current Poly owner to benefit for it to be all one…but, the question will be what DVD thinks makes them the most money and will sell the best.

Oh absolutely, they wouldn't be doing it for the benefit of the current owners at PVB.

I just wonder if they see the value in a resort like that skewing toward studios, but not being dominated by them the way PVB has been. If the new Poly tower is sort of like the original VGF building, that could be easy from a design standpoint and by folding it into the original association they would have access to the already existing studios, and also be able to include the bungalows in the marketing.

Not to mention the financial benefit of selling a resort with a shorter expiration date.

 

[Sandisw]

Point taken. And you are correct, they couldn't do anything in that instance. I see the angle that you are looking at it from.

I am just trying to figure out the logistics of this. Like I said in another comment just now, the person I know who was there in Feb dropped $7700 on a week long stay at Poly. They weren't able to get seats at the pool once all week, and they tried every day because of how hot it was. That is a problem, and it is a problem that will only get worse when 1500 more people are staying there.

And, I definitely agree with you that adding all these new rooms at the Poly will add more guests and could overwhelm the feature pool if an equal number of guests don’t decide to use the new pool.

Maybe as time goes on, they will decide to add more features to the new pool to help.

I will tell you that there hasn’t been one pool I have visited at any resort during the summer months that didn’t have issues getting seats if I didn’t arrive right at opening and stay all day.

 

[Sandisw]

Oh absolutely, they wouldn't be doing it for the benefit of the current owners at PVB.

I just wonder if they see the value in a resort like that skewing toward studios, but not being dominated by them the way PVB has been. If the new Poly tower is sort of like the original VGF building, that could be easy from a design standpoint and by folding it into the original association they would have access to the already existing studios, and also be able to include the bungalows in the marketing.

Not to mention the financial benefit of selling a resort with a shorter expiration date.

All great points, but nothing to prevent them from making the end date the same as current without rolling it in. If they see VGF is selling okay with less than 50 years, then maybe they decide Poly tower doesn’t need that length?

Definitely pros and cons for each situation and honestly, I think good arguments can be made for either choice.

IMO, I’m leaning 90% toward it being a new one until we get more hints…or a direct answer!

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

I don’t think they have enough room to build an equally themed area like the volcano pool at Poly2.

This reminded me of the discussion on another thread about how they will handle parking capacity. I've updated the concept art to reflect a combined solution for both problems...

 

[lovethesun12]

I was looking for poly resale points and have currently paused adding on (or may buy less) to wait and see what the final answer is on this. I'd like to have direct points so would go that route instead if they are the same association.

If they are not the same association I will just continue with resale.

 

[BamaGuy44]

I was looking for poly resale points and have currently paused adding on (or may buy less) to wait and see what the final answer is on this. I'd like to have direct points so would go that route instead if they are the same association.

If they are not the same association I will just continue with resale.

Just curious, why are you hoping for the same association?

 

[kc51570]

And, I definitely agree with you that adding all these new rooms at the Poly will add more guests and could overwhelm the feature pool if an equal number of guests don’t decide to use the new pool.

Maybe as time goes on, they will decide to add more features to the new pool to help.

I will tell you that there hasn’t been one pool I have visited at any resort during the summer months that didn’t have issues getting seats if I didn’t arrive right at opening and stay all day.

Hoping they add enhancements to the new pool along with making it deeper. I’ve stayed at the poly once and i found the volcano pool to be very shallow and I am not a tall adult by any means. Also very crowded and that was pre-COVID. We typically stay in larger accommodations than studios so the size of the rooms was an issue for us too and that was with 2 adults/1 child. I would be interested in the new tower for access to larger rooms like many. BLT doesn’t allow contemporary guests to use their pool so maybe the new poly tower will not allow Poly hotel guests to use the new pool and hopefully demand and usage for each pool evens out. We stayed at Boardwalk a few days last summer and were unable to get a seat. The pool was crazy crowded all day. We were jealous when we took the sky liner over to Riviera to have lunch and saw their pools with plenty of empty lounge chairs and barely anyone even using the pools.

 

[Morganjacar]

I just bought poly and got my points and the next day they announced the new tower! It will completely change the vibes of Polly to have that many more people on the property. They would have to have things separate including separate monorail, separate pool usage privileges and boat access to MK.
If they don't make things 100% separate they have to make it part of the same association.

 

[Sandisw]

I just bought poly and got my points and the next day they announced the new tower! It will completely change the vibes of Polly to have that many more people on the property. They would have to have things separate including separate monorail, separate pool usage privileges and boat access to MK.
If they don't make things 100% separate they have to make it part of the same association.

This piece is what I think is causing some confusion.

This Tower being built at to the Poly and the access guests will have for what is there now is not depending on how DVD classifies if.

We already know it’s being built as part of Poly resort as that is how it’s announced. That means those guests will have access to everything there based on what has been decided so far.

The difference in associations impacts only booking windows, MFs and potential resale restrictions for owners contracts.

So it can be a new association for DVC purposes but still be part of the property and share everything else.

If they want to limit all Poly tower guests from the use of the current pools, then would need to change course and no longer be building this as part of the Poly at all.

It would then be a brand new resort with a new name and be a 4th location on Seven seas. If that happens, then it ensures a new association.

But, they can keep it associated with the Poly resort and not have it filled into the current PVB.

We could very well end up with two DVC resorts at the Poly just like we do at WL with CCV and BRV.