No the Magic isn’t gone but it’s at 25%

Here's the other wrinkle to this: Disney is going to be able to claim that Genie+ is so successful because of how many people are buying it, but it's incredibly deceiving.

People are buying it because they feel like they have to in order to have a good time or to keep up with the crowds, not because it's a good product.
i think you could also say that about staying on site, but i haven't seen an argument against that yet. It's a value equation, if you find value in it, you will purchase it, even if you don't like having to make the purchase
 
I do not think so.

Corporations across the board are using the pandemic as an excuse now to regain “lost” revenue over the past two years.

Once a service is gone, especially the ones that cost Disney money, they will never be seen again.

Its been a great excuse for companies to reduce services, and blame something besides their own short sighted goals.
i disagree, look at MNSSHP people on here said BOO BASH was here to stay so that Disney could charge more and you would get less, it ended up being flat wrong, and i think a lot of other things will fall back in line gradually. Once employment is back to where it needs to be we'll know for sure, but until then, it's just people crowing that Disney is money grubbing.
 
i think you could also say that about staying on site, but i haven't seen an argument against that yet. It's a value equation, if you find value in it, you will purchase it, even if you don't like having to make the purchase
From a strict financial perspective, sure. But booking a deluxe resort over a value/moderate resort makes things logistically easier for guests (among many other additional amenities), hence the value is perceived to be there and accepted.

The difference is that the practical process of using Genie+ and the uncertainty that comes with it is not an improvement, and could even argue it's worse.
 
Most of the lines at Universal are not as long as they would be at Disney if virtually no one utilized Genie+ because it cost way too much. The exception, really, is Harry Potter World.
I've never gone to Universal without the express pass that's because I always stay at one of the deluxe resorts. I would never buy the express passes and stay at a cheaper resort because it would end up costing me more. I do find it funny how people were complaining about 15 dollars and now they want to spend 100 a day. I guess it's not about the money after all.
 
From a strict financial perspective, sure. But booking a deluxe resort over a value/moderate resort makes things logistically easier for guests (among many other additional amenities), hence the value is perceived to be there and accepted.

The difference is that the practical process of using Genie+ and the uncertainty that comes with it is not an improvement, and could even argue it's worse.
again, it's just perceived value that we're talking about, and Genie as of today is perceived as a value for a lot of people, more people than Disney even thought
 
Kind of similar but there are people who pay for the entire family to do the VIP tours that guarantee you access to skipping every single line at the parks. I've seen people on these very boards say that they do a VIP tour once a year or even every time they go. Those tours also sell out as soon as they're able to be booked. There is demand for skipping the line and I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that if Disney offered a higher priced service like Premier Pass Ultimate in Paris, it would sell out and people WILL buy it.
Just out of interest would you spend a couple extra thousand for express passes on top of the other thousands of dollars you already spent?
 
I've never gone to Universal without the express pass that's because I always stay at one of the deluxe resorts. I would never buy the express passes and stay at a cheaper resort because it would end up costing me more. I do find it funny how people were complaining about 15 dollars and now they want to spend 100 a day. I guess it's not about the money after all.
It is about the money, but there's much more to it than just that.

If my options are $15 for Genie+ and all the logistical hoops you have to do to make that successful (and zero guarantee that you will even get to use it for more than 2 or 3 attractions), or $100 for more flexibility, convenience, and guarantee, I'm picking option 2 all day, but that's just me.
 
It is about the money, but there's much more to it than just that.

If my options are $15 for Genie+ and all the logistical hoops you have to do to make that successful (and zero guarantee that you will even get to use it for more than 2 or 3 attractions), or $100 for more flexibility, convenience, and guarantee, I'm picking option 2 all day, but that's just me.
How many are in your family?
 
Just out of interest would you spend a couple extra thousand for express passes on top of the other thousands of dollars you already spent?
With Universal I never stay at their on property hotels and I do 2 parks in one day. I always buy the one time Express Pass and when I buy it a few months in advance the price is around $90-100. On my most recent trip I bought the one time use pass and found immense value in it. Most rides had a 40-70 minute wait and with only one day for 2 parks, I was able to accomplish everything I wanted to do with plenty of park time left. I'm also only buying an Express Pass for myself and no one else. I went with my friend who bought her own ticket and Express pass.

Now I would most likely not spend money on a VIP tour at Universal or Disney. But there are plenty of people who would.
 
With Universal I never stay at their on property hotels and I do 2 parks in one day. I always buy the one time Express Pass and when I buy it a few months in advance the price is around $90-100. On my most recent trip I bought the one time use pass and found immense value in it. Most rides had a 40-70 minute wait and with only one day for 2 parks, I was able to accomplish everything I wanted to do with plenty of park time left. I'm also only buying an Express Pass for myself and no one else. I went with my friend who bought her own ticket and Express pass.

Now I would most likely not spend money on a VIP tour at Universal or Disney. But there are plenty of people who would.
How many are in your family? Is it just yourself or are you buying 4 or 5 express passes that make a huge difference.
 
How many are in your family? Is it just yourself or are you buying 4 or 5 express passes that make a huge difference.
It's just me. I was responsible for my own ticket and pass and so was my friend who went with me. I fully understand that it is easier for me to afford the Express Pass since I was not buying for a spouse or multiple kids.
 
It seems like all the single people on here would love forking over 100 bucks for an express pass. Would you feel the same if you had a spouse and three kids. How about 500 a day that sounds awesome. So we want to make WDW completely unaffordable for families as if it's not already.
 
It's just me. I was responsible for my own ticket and pass and so was my friend who went with me. I fully understand that it is easier for me to afford the Express Pass since I was not buying for a spouse or multiple kids.
Well, that explains everything.
 
As of now, it's just my wife and I, but when children eventually come I would still do it, because I prioritize convenience. If I had to save up for it, I would do that because then it becomes a priority.
When you have kids you may sing a different tune. You have no idea what it costs to clothe and feed them on a daily basis much less what it costs to feed them at WDW. Maybe you are super rich and can do it, but most families can't afford Disney world as it is much less spend and an extra 2-3k on express passes.
 
again, it's just perceived value that we're talking about, and Genie as of today is perceived as a value for a lot of people, more people than Disney even thought
But that's my question: are they buying it because they truly think it's a value or are they buying it because they feel like they have to? I would expect the majority of purchasers would far into the latter (would love to get access to Disney's survey data on this though!). If it's a value, wouldn't guest experience/reactions be much better after the fact then they seem to have been?

Bear with my example here, but I don't perceive $5/gallon to be a value, but I purchase it anyway because I have to.
 
But that's my question: are they buying it because they truly think it's a value or are they buying it because they feel like they have to? I would expect the majority of purchasers would far into the latter (would love to get access to Disney's survey data on this though!). If it's a value, wouldn't guest experience/reactions be much better after the fact then they seem to have been?

Bear with my example here, but I don't perceive $5/gallon to be a value, but I purchase it anyway because I have to.
Gas is a necessity it doesn't matter how you perceive it. I would not put express passes in the same category.
 
i disagree, look at MNSSHP people on here said BOO BASH was here to stay so that Disney could charge more and you would get less, it ended up being flat wrong, and i think a lot of other things will fall back in line gradually. Once employment is back to where it needs to be we'll know for sure, but until then, it's just people crowing that Disney is money grubbing.
So you think Magical Express is coming back?
What about Dining plans?
 

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