Ajax
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- Mar 22, 2002
Much ado about nothing.
Unless you've been threatened with the loss of your job. Then, it might be cause for some concern
Much ado about nothing.
This is exactly what I mean. To criticize or threaten him over this photo is much ado about nothing. I am quite concerned that this man's good name is being publicly smeared over what in that photo appears to be absolutely nothing.Unless you've been threatened with the loss of your job. Then, it might be cause for some concern
Personally, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that his hand was on her in some way. And giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't trying to grope her but keep her on the piano. Combine that with knowing how the piano is and where she's at on it in the photo, I'm just coming up with my own conclusion that it's possible X happened for her to come up with Y
Though I gotta say, her face doesn't reflect a grope in any way in this photo. If she's being groped, she's putting on an academy award winning smile
As for were there other photos taken, I was looking for those too. Bob didn't post any which doesn't mean others weren't taken. That we'll have to go on reports from those there.
I'm being VERY generous to interpretation on her part. Her butt grab would be nothing more than a steadying hand to meHonestly, what I'm able to see of the photo on my phone, doesn't support her story at all. Hopefully, there's another picture that appears the way she reported, since she claims to have photo evidence.
Honestly, what I'm able to see of the photo on my phone, doesn't support her story at all. Hopefully, there's another picture that appears the way she reported, since she claims to have photo evidence.
Which is why I think it's all a horrible misunderstanding.Also I don't think there needs to be more accusers in order to necessarily believe someone. Maybe she was the first time he tried it, and when she reported it to his bosses instead of running away with her tail between her legs, he knew he was on the radar and decided right quick never to do it again. Maybe there would have been more victims had she not reported this to Disney. Did I just make up that scenario in my head? Yes, just like the people who have decided he did grab her, and it was to keep her from falling off the piano lol.
Also, what would be this woman's motive? If she decided to wake up one morning and lie to ruin this guy's life for the hell of it, why just say he grabbed her? Heck, she could have come up with a lot worse a story than that!
If that was indeed the night and the photo the only conclusion I can come up with is the person who took the photo isn't actually shown in the photo upthread. At least from my thinking it would need to be someone on the side who took it and looking that direction. Everyone on the side is looking straight ahead at the camera.How are people coming to the conclusion that he must have been steadying her? I don't see his left hand at all. I don't see anything that shows his hand touching her anywhere. What am I missing? Is everyone just assuming where they think his hand must have been without really knowing where it was? FWIW, I'm not trying to be snarky at all. I really don't see it.
PS: I've blown the picture up as big as I can get it on my phone. Maybe, I'm missing something that I would be able to see on my computer.
I think you all need to dig some more to see if she dressed provocatively ,ever had a one night stand or ya know..asked for it.
I had to read through a second time to find who had “come to the conclusion that he must have been steadying her”. Couldn’t find a one. All I found was people speculating that might have been the case.How are people coming to the conclusion that he must have been steadying her? I don't see his left hand at all. I don't see anything that shows his hand touching her anywhere. What am I missing? Is everyone just assuming where they think his hand must have been without really knowing where it was? FWIW, I'm not trying to be snarky at all. I really don't see it.
PS: I've blown the picture up as big as I can get it on my phone. Maybe, I'm missing something that I would be able to see on my computer.
Seriously, semantics? I was asking what people were seeing that made them speculate/come to the conclusion that was what was going on, because I didn't see it. It was a simple question with nothing accustory intended at all. I genuinely thought I was missing something. After some politely explained their reason for saying that, I realized I hadnt missed anything, due to looking at the picture on my phone.I had to read through a second time to find who had “come to the conclusion that he must have been steadying her”. Couldn’t find a one. All I found was people speculating that might have been the case.
Ok. Sorry, I apologize. After reading responses like .. “Lol. This is sarcasm, right?” in response to a very nice well written post, I was looking for snarkiness where it wasn’t.Seriously, semantics? I was asking what people were seeing that made them speculate/come to the conclusion that was what was going on, because I didn't see it. It was a simple question with nothing accustory intended at all. I genuinely thought I was missing something. After some politely explained their reason for saying that, I realized I hadnt missed anything, due to looking at the picture on my phone.
No problem. I know what you mean.Ok. Sorry, I apologize. After reading responses like .. “Lol. This is sarcasm, right?” in response to a very nice well written post, I was looking for snarkiness where it wasn’t.
Is everyone just assuming where they think his hand must have been without really knowing where it was?
Personally, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that his hand was on her in some way. And giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't trying to grope her but keep her on the piano. Combine that with knowing how the piano is and where she's at on it in the photo, I'm just coming up with my own conclusion that it's possible X happened for her to come up with Y
Even IF this is a photo of the event, the expression on her face is meaningless, it doesn't mean she was being groped at that moment. Could have happened seconds after,for example.
I don't get people that think just because his show is awesome and family friendly, that he is incapable of this. That is naive at best.
Also I don't think there needs to be more accusers in order to necessarily believe someone. Maybe she was the first time he tried it, and when she reported it to his bosses instead of running away with her tail between her legs, he knew he was on the radar and decided right quick never to do it again. Maybe there would have been more victims had she not reported this to Disney. Did I just make up that scenario in my head? Yes, just like the people who have decided he did grab her, and it was to keep her from falling off the piano lol.
Also, what would be this woman's motive? If she decided to wake up one morning and lie to ruin this guy's life for the hell of it, why just say he grabbed her? Heck, she could have come up with a lot worse a story than that!
I think you all need to dig some more to see if she dressed provocatively ,ever had a one night stand or ya know..asked for it.
Exactly. Not same thing at all. And Disney did always have signs to not go in the water, but they were ignored.Exactly, not the same comparison at all. Disney didn't hide or cover up that they had gators. There was no doubt from anyone that they had them. It's a body of water in FL. It has gators. You don't have to announce that any more than you announce fire is hot and water is wet.
I guess if it was going to be something that would be a comparison Disney would have to have known they had gators and left them there. That would be the same as knowing about what Bob was doing and leaving him employed.
Maybe she was the first time he tried it,
And no, I don't buy that this is the first time in his career he decided to grope a guest, or last. Sorry. I can buy a lot but not that. I wouldn't buy that of anyone, anywhere. People don't just start that behavior out of the blue, and then turn it of
There were warning signs- Don’t go in the water. People ignore them.I say the gators were at some level swept under the rug because there were no warning signs or barriers like there are now. We knew about the gators but I know plenty of people who were much less into Disney than the average Diser who had no idea there were gators on the property.
Well said.Trying to get back on topic here, Michelle has added to Mike Scopa's latest post: "initially that is the route that I took -- calling the manager of the resort. However, I was passed on to some group who manages complaints. She was the person who recorded my initial statement in 2013."
This would imply that this incident occurred in 2013, so I'm assuming it must have been following one of that year's East Coast RunDisney events:
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Still not easy to track down a specific date, or to find photos from that night, though. I would also assume that given the time frame, the manager in question would have been Val Bunting as she was the General Manager at Port Orleans from 2009 to 2015. Knowing Val personally (a little) and by reputation (a lot, all of it good) I really can't see her being involved in any sort of conspiracy or cover-up of something of this nature.
So I currently still maintain that I am not putting my name behind a smear campaign without any further evidence. OK, any evidence at all at this point.
I am very sorry that Michelle feels wronged, but destroying someone's life and career is too important to be undertaken after an unsubstantiated bum-grope in a crowded photo shoot.
Andre
Respectfully, I don’t think this is anything like Cosby. We don’t know it was a butt grab. How much of someone’s butt can you grab while she’s sitting down? Did he accidentally come in contact with her while posing in a group photo? Possibly. Was it intentional? Probably not. Was there any evidence provided? No. A photo she was too traumatized to look at. Really? Seems a bit over the top esp considering she was sitting on most of her butt. So I don’t even think it was a butt grab.I’m not trying to paint your comment as anything. I quoted a response from you that we won’t solve the accused being believed by throwing others under the bus now. Sure blindly believing and group is wrong, but in these (or any criminal allegations) people will speculate on what they think really happened. This threads leans heavily towards Bob is the real victim, she wants fame, every man is a target, it was just a butt grab (if it even happened) give me a break. This is the general reaction to most accusations of sexual impropriety and I think as a society we should be more aware of why.
I was engaging with that aspect of the conversation trying to parse out what throwing somebody under the bus looks like in such matters. Nothing is black and white in these cases. This “was just a butt grab” as many people have said. But what about when it’s not? What about when it’s accusations of drugging and rape (Bill Cosby)? Does that change the stakes or is it still throwing somebody under the bus to speak out years later?
I’m not even necessarily asking for your personal response. I’m joining the conversation like everybody else. I’m speaking broadly and hope to maybe get somebody to think about more deeply or even explain here why the phenomenon of condemning the people who come forward is our gut reaction.
Exactly. Not same thing at all. And Disney did always have signs to not go in the water, but they were ignored.