Magic Bands coming to Disneyland???

Those Disney magic bands are trouble, since you’re not tracking your spending it’s easy to rack up the bill. When I went to WDW I thought I spent maybe a little over $300. When I went to check out it was over $1,000

You do not have use a MB to buy things at WDW. You can easily pay cash or a credit card.

This is not directed at the way you spend, but just to point out to others that charging items to your room via a MB is not a requirement, like say on a cruise ship how you have to use your sail and sign card to make purchases.
 
So assuming DL would implement Magic Bands the same as they do in WDW, as in charge your room account/not have credit card information on the band itself, the only people at DL that could charge stuff with their magic bands are Disney hotel guests right? Everyone else won't be able to pay for anything with the Magic Bands. Compared to WDW, Disney hotel guests make up a small minority of park guests compared to locals and guests staying off property.

Although even having it to use as an AP and FP scanner would be nice.

I would think that would be correct in that only resort guests are able to use there MB to charge stuff to their room like it is a WDW. Also you can use a MB on subsequent trips as it is attached to your MDE account even if you are staying off property. But on that off property stay you do not have charging privileges.

I may have posted it here on this thread before but I am surprised DL does not have a MB option for those that want to use them or even give them to AP's like they do at WDW. It would be a money maker for them I'm sure.

I'm also surprised in WDW they don't allow those staying off property with MB to have charging privileges with their band as long as their MDE account has a credit card attached to it in a effort to go as cashless as possible. A friend went to a sporting event in Germany and they had kiosks where you would get a card and you would load money on to it either using cars or a credit/debit card. You had to use that card at the concession stands. He said it made things so much quicker as the workers were not handling any cash. At the end of the event you could either cash out and get any money back you had on the card or keep it and use it for future events at the stadium.
 
I found myself really missing a magic band this weekend as my frustration levels rose at the turnstiles watching people fumble for tickets, IDs and take photos. The tap-in model is so much better. I also hate having to take out my AP all the time for discounts, etc. One of the reasons I love mobile ordering is that I can avoid that as the info in on the phone already. Which got me thinking ... we really don't need magic bands per se at Disneyland. What we need is a better app that would enable my smartphone to be used like a magic band.
 


I found myself really missing a magic band this weekend as my frustration levels rose at the turnstiles watching people fumble for tickets, IDs and take photos. The tap-in model is so much better. I also hate having to take out my AP all the time for discounts, etc. One of the reasons I love mobile ordering is that I can avoid that as the info in on the phone already. Which got me thinking ... we really don't need magic bands per se at Disneyland. What we need is a better app that would enable my smartphone to be used like a magic band.

The current app is able to have your ticket to scan in, use ticket for Fastpass, and almost all if not all vendor locations offer Apple/Android pay. Doesn't that do just about all the band does with the exception of the photo and room key?

I will admit, it would be nice if the photos attached automatically or if there was a blue tooth scan or something to make it easier. Other than that, I don't feel that improvements are really needed. Just my personal opinion.
 
The current app is able to have your ticket to scan in, use ticket for Fastpass, and almost all if not all vendor locations offer Apple/Android pay. Doesn't that do just about all the band does with the exception of the photo and room key?

I will admit, it would be nice if the photos attached automatically or if there was a blue tooth scan or something to make it easier. Other than that, I don't feel that improvements are really needed. Just my personal opinion.

It also sounds to me like you can charge things through the app if you have a credit card linked, but it's not like at WDW where you can go to your hotel desk and pay off the balance with say a gift card instead of your actual credit card getting charged. That would be a nice advantage, since there are some money saving ways to get gift cards... Or even being able to load a gift card into the app would be nice...
 
The current app is able to have your ticket to scan in, use ticket for Fastpass, and almost all if not all vendor locations offer Apple/Android pay. Doesn't that do just about all the band does with the exception of the photo and room key?

I will admit, it would be nice if the photos attached automatically or if there was a blue tooth scan or something to make it easier. Other than that, I don't feel that improvements are really needed. Just my personal opinion.

It doesn't have the ability to tap into the gates and/or recognize your discounts for purchases automatically like a magic band. Believe me, I get the resistance to the MB--I was the same way--but after multiple (7+) trips to WDW in the past few years, I'm sold. They are much much more convenient. But the same thing could easily be accomplished with a phone and a better app. In other words, you could use your phone like a MB for getting into the park, making all your purchases tied to your hotel (as mentioned below), photos and room key (the WDW app already has this room key function). For people who stay at the resort hotels, these are very convenient features.

It also sounds to me like you can charge things through the app if you have a credit card linked, but it's not like at WDW where you can go to your hotel desk and pay off the balance with say a gift card instead of your actual credit card getting charged. That would be a nice advantage, since there are some money saving ways to get gift cards... Or even being able to load a gift card into the app would be nice...

Exactly, this is really nice! I also like to maximize my points so being able to link my max point hotel card to the hotel and have that cover everything is awesome. For example, I do the RunDisney races so all my merchandise purchases that would normally code as 1x points code as 3x (or if I've leaded gift cards 5x).
 


I was working at WDW when they rolled out Magic Bands. I remember getting called into a training session where they showed us a "so this is a Magic Band and everything is about the change" PowerPoint. I was a PhotoPass Photographer, so it was a big change for us.

I still remember thinking "why aren't they starting this at Disneyland?" Working out the system with two parks and three hotels is much easier than four parks, 30-something hotels, and two waterparks. I understood why FastPass+ didn't make sense over here, since it's much more of a locals park and the locals are too spontaneous to book FPs 30 days in advance. But it seems like if you are working on a totally new system for tickets and photos, starting small would have been best.
 
The reason is that California has some privacy regulations that don't allow you to track people with RFID tags (of which Magic Bands are a type of). The reason that WDW can upload your ride photos to your account is becuase they ALWAYS know where you are on property.
 
From what I’ve heard before, DL will never have them because of California laws regarding devices with tracking abilities.
I keep hearing this reason too but I'm curious what the difference between a magic band and smartwatch is. Both have tracking ability.

I personally would LOVE to see Magic Bands come to Disneyland. The back up we see in the fastpass lines would be non existent! I would buy one just for using for fastpasses. I really enjoyed using my magic band during my last trip to WDW. I also loved the ride photos they did and how they just popped into our photopass section.
 
I keep hearing this reason too but I'm curious what the difference between a magic band and smartwatch is. Both have tracking ability.

I personally would LOVE to see Magic Bands come to Disneyland. The back up we see in the fastpass lines would be non existent! I would buy one just for using for fastpasses. I really enjoyed using my magic band during my last trip to WDW. I also loved the ride photos they did and how they just popped into our photopass section.
The law only covers RFID ... so I think that is why there is a difference.
 
I keep hearing this reason too but I'm curious what the difference between a magic band and smartwatch is. Both have tracking ability.

The difference in tracking between RFID and a smart watch is you can immediately revoke your smartwatch’s permission to track you with the press of a button. The only way to stop the Magic Band from tracking you is to remove it from your body. Since this is something you cannot do when you are in the middle of the park, there is no way that Magic Bands would be legal under California law. Now, if they came out with Magic Bands that use Bluetooth for tracking that allow consumers to turn off and on tracking whenever they please, then that would work under California law.
 
So all I can find regarding RFID law is about actual forced (or coerced) implantation of an RFID tracking device.

"a person shall not require, coerce, or compel any other individual to undergo the subcutaneous implanting of an identification device."

They do define “subcutaneous” as meaning "existing, performed, or introduced under or on the skin." So that would cover something attached to the wrist. But, they also very specifically say "'require, coerce, or compel' includes physical violence, threat, intimidation, retaliation, the conditioning of any private or public benefit or care on consent to implantation, including employment, promotion, or other employment benefit, or by any means that causes a reasonable person of ordinary susceptibilities to acquiesce to implantation when he or she otherwise would not". They say nothing about voluntarily choosing to use one. It's like ozone generators. They are not legal in California only if they are sold as "air purifiers". If they're sold as what they are (potentially toxic if not used properly ozone generators), they're 100% legal to purchase and use in California.

I mean we are the state where we put up signs even at Disneyland saying it might cause you cancer :rotfl2:

I would take this to mean as long as MBs were not a requirement and rather a volunteer situation (one which was not forced), that they could be implemented. The Premier cards have RFID in them and they're allowed in California (despite not being used in California. I've seen posts from some that the some DLR PhotoPass CMs have the technology to scan the RFID chip to attached photos rather than the QR code. Even my passport has an RFID. Hell, my cat has an RFID implanted in her skin (but they're allowed for pets; her RFID does transmit personal information of mine, however information I have volunteered to have available).

Perhaps we could get just the pucks in DLR. It would circumvent the "on skin". Owning one could come with a lot of the fun legal talk that informs people what they are agreeing to (and one could just unlink it to remove any of the identifying information; essentially to "turn off permissions"). They don't even have to have automatic photos from rides implemented (which would further get around the scanning part of the law). I had to more than once at WDW (because I didn't have my MB with me to scan at the tap points) hunt down a CM to get my ride photos put on a PhotoPass card. But they could put in something like that (or not at all!) for ride photos.

And as long as they weren't required (which they are not required at WDW), I still don't see an issue. They are not FP+ and there are definitely ways to legally use them in California.

I can see, however, Disney not believing there's enough profit in bringing them to DLR where they would be more limited in function both due to nature of the park and laws to be mindful of. Which is sad. Or maybe not. Maybe it's a good thing I can't drop money on collecting these things as they would gather dust from how little I go to WDW compared to DLR. Thanks for saving me money, Disney?
 
So all I can find regarding RFID law is about actual forced (or coerced) implantation of an RFID tracking device.

The law preventing Disney from using MB’s in CA is not specific to RFID, but to all electronic tracking devices that can be used to determine a person’s location or movement. It is illegal in California to using any tracking device to determine a person’s location or movement, unless that person has consented. And a person that consents to be tracked has to have the ability to revoke that consent. Unlike a Bluetooth device that you can switch off, you cannot stop an RFID from tracking you unless you remove it from your body/bag/wherever, and even then it can still transmit the location of where it was left. It would be very challenging for Disney to find a workaround that complies with this law, and is probably a legal battle they just don’t care to take on.
 
Can you site the applicable law? I have done some research before and found nothing. I feel like this is an urban legend. (But I am most definitely not a lawyer).
 
The law preventing Disney from using MB’s in CA is not specific to RFID, but to all electronic tracking devices that can be used to determine a person’s location or movement. It is illegal in California to using any tracking device to determine a person’s location or movement, unless that person has consented. And a person that consents to be tracked has to have the ability to revoke that consent. Unlike a Bluetooth device that you can switch off, you cannot stop an RFID from tracking you unless you remove it from your body/bag/wherever, and even then it can still transmit the location of where it was left. It would be very challenging for Disney to find a workaround that complies with this law, and is probably a legal battle they just don’t care to take on.
The workaround is allow people to use/request a normal ticket and that by ordering/accepting a magic band you agree to the terms and conditions. NBD.

That said I don’t see it coming to DLR anytime soon. The cost of implementation at WDW was crazy, darn near blew up in their faces. Can’t imagine it will pay off in dollars and cents in DLR.
 
The law preventing Disney from using MB’s in CA is not specific to RFID, but to all electronic tracking devices that can be used to determine a person’s location or movement. It is illegal in California to using any tracking device to determine a person’s location or movement, unless that person has consented. And a person that consents to be tracked has to have the ability to revoke that consent. Unlike a Bluetooth device that you can switch off, you cannot stop an RFID from tracking you unless you remove it from your body/bag/wherever, and even then it can still transmit the location of where it was left. It would be very challenging for Disney to find a workaround that complies with this law, and is probably a legal battle they just don’t care to take on.

Yes, I know. RFID is used as an example in the law. I did look up the actual law and quote from it :). A few just keep saying what you said that the RFID prevents it and reading the law... It's not that simple. And easily implemented to work with the law.

Can you site the applicable law? I have done some research before and found nothing. I feel like this is an urban legend. (But I am most definitely not a lawyer).

The law others keep saying exists is Civil Code 52.7. Full verbage found here:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV&sectionNum=52.7
It's not so much an urban legend, but more it's being misinterpreted like a lot of laws in California (oh the "fun" I had trying to explain the laws for washing a car in a driveway to my aunt [who does not live anywhere near California]... who refused to believe me even showing her the actual laws because my father/her brother said it was a complete ban and I must be lying/stupid). It's from 2008 and reading it, MBs would not be banned under this law. Unless Disney said "you have to use one" and didn't give a choice, of course.

I'm just kind of sick of hearing a law (and thank you for asking for the actual law; I should have included it before as no one else has stated it and I was quoting from it) tossed around that doesn't apply as black and white as it's being presented :crazy2: . This is a Disney decision to not implement MBs. Not a California law (but I agree it could be complicating things to a small extent; it's just not the sole reason and it's an easy one to get around if Disney wanted to).
 
Can you site the applicable law? I have done some research before and found nothing. I feel like this is an urban legend. (But I am most definitely not a lawyer).
Here you go. 637.7 California Penal Code

637.7.
(a) No person or entity in this state shall use an electronic tracking device to determine the location or movement of a person.
(b) This section shall not apply when the registered owner, lessor, or lessee of a vehicle has consented to the use of the electronic tracking device with respect to that vehicle.
(c) This section shall not apply to the lawful use of an electronic tracking device by a law enforcement agency.
(d) As used in this section, “electronic tracking device” means any device attached to a vehicle or other movable thing that reveals its location or movement by the transmission of electronic signals.
(e) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
(f) A violation of this section by a person, business, firm, company, association, partnership, or corporation licensed under Division 3 (commencing with Section 5000) of the Business and Professions Code shall constitute grounds for revocation of the license issued to that person, business, firm, company, association, partnership, or corporation, pursuant to the provisions that provide for the revocation of the license as set forth in Division 3 (commencing with Section 5000) of the Business and Professions Code.
 
The better solution would be for the Disneyland App to be given access to the RFID chip already in our smart phones and watches. Much like some transit cards already are
Wearing a seperate bands is sooooo 2010s
 
I have a really hard time imagining how this would apply to Magic Bands but not a myriad of other devices including smartphones and smart watches but 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

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