DVC is Scary Expensive, but is it Worth It?

Frederic Civish

“I’m just here for the Ears.”
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To figure out the value of DVC, here is something I compare to DVC.

My wife bought us a 30 foot travel trailer for about $28,000. Let’s say we use it once a year for about five days. Yeah, free vacation. Of course there are some maintenance fees. And upkeep. And driving it anywhere is expensive because I get 6 1/2 miles per gallon when pulling it. Driving to Yellowstone or other National Parks is not cheap. But let’s assume that if I only use it for five days of vacation per year, then there are other days that I could ‘rent it out.’ And by renting it out, BESIDES my own 5 days of vacation, I could earn $1,100. Now, suppose that after a few years I got tired of ‘trailer’ vacations and decided I didn’t want to take them anymore. So, instead of using some of my days and renting some of my days, I rented them all out. Well, now I could get paid around $2,250 per year, to NOT take vacations. So, lets suppose I do this every year for 25 years, taking some vacations and renting some out and earning an additional $25,000 to $50,000 in the process, and THEN I decide I am tired of it and I want my money back. So, I take the trailer to the dealer and give him the trailer and ask for my money back. He says, “Oh, okay. Thank you. The trailer is worth more now than it was when you bought it. So, here is $45,000 back. Have fun.”

Well, that is kind of how it is with DVC. If you bought 150 points at Copper Creek (Direct from Disney) for $182 a point, then it would cost you around $27,500. You would have to pay Maintenance Fees of about $1000 a year, BUT, I just spent 5 days in Pop Century and with ‘Room Tax’ the room cost me $1,150. (There is no room tax on DVC nights). For about the same cost in Maintenance Fees, you could stay 5 days at Copper Creek in October for 77 points. And it is MUCH nicer than Pop Century. Then you could rent out your remaining 73 points. The 73 points could bring in about $1,100. You could use that for vacation or use it to pay maintenance fees or use it to defray the initial purchase cost. If you rented out ALL of your 150 points, you could get about $2,250. AND, when you sell it 25 years down the road, it will probably be worth significantly more than $45,000. So, I think that is a heck of a lot better deal than buying a stupid travel trailer. I wish I had the money back that we spent on our nice shiny trailer, that mostly just sits by the side of my house.
 
Anything is worth anything if you think it is. I own at two resorts. Under 300 points. I bought both direct from Disney but not at the current price per point. Not super cheap either but not current. For me and DH and how we vacation, it's very worth it. I like staying at the better hotels on property not PoP. Not that there is anything wrong with that but there is a world of difference in Pop Century and Animal Kingdom Lodge.
I also use my points. Any time share is only worth it if you use it. And I own a small camper. But again, we use it. We take long weekends rather than weeks at a time and it suits us just fine. We also go to WDW at least every 3 months this way. Others will tell you different experiences and how it's worth it to them.
Some people will never buy into DVC because they can rent a DVC unit or stay at Pop or any of the budget places on property cheaper for a once in a while trip.
Have you thought about renting your trailer out to make the money back? There is a company called RV Share that might be able to help. It's like AirBnB for campers and there are others. Just like on this site there is a link to David's rentals for DVC points. Many people can't use there points regularly so they rent them.
There are options and again, value is in the eye of the beholder. For us, it's totally worth it and I wish I did it sooner.
 
The only problem is that DVC points dont always go uo in value. I’m not sure how much people payed for their points at SSR or OKW 20 years ago, but for resale hou can find contracts for under $100pp. But, if you look at GCV, those are going for (so I’ve heard) at least $200pp. There is no gurantee your contract will go up in value the older it gets, it really just depends on supply and demand at the moment.
 
"Worth" is relative. If you are looking for an investment look elsewhere. Maybe you'd make money somehow, but it would be a big gamble. If you define "worth" as prepaying for your room for the next 40 or so years, then sure. We own DVC but didnt look at it as any type of investment. It was more of a convenience factor. For us, it is "worth it" to know we can book at our favorite resort 11 months out and knowing we will be back for many years. If it is going to put a financial strain on any family or if you have to rent your points out each year to make it work for your family then maybe it isnt "worth it." Only you and your family can really tell you if it is worth it or not
 


To figure out the value of DVC, here is something I compare to DVC.

My wife bought us a 30 foot travel trailer for about $28,000. Let’s say we use it once a year for about five days. Yeah, free vacation. Of course there are some maintenance fees. And upkeep. And driving it anywhere is expensive because I get 6 1/2 miles per gallon when pulling it. Driving to Yellowstone or other National Parks is not cheap. But let’s assume that if I only use it for five days of vacation per year, then there are other days that I could ‘rent it out.’ And by renting it out, BESIDES my own 5 days of vacation, I could earn $1,100. Now, suppose that after a few years I got tired of ‘trailer’ vacations and decided I didn’t want to take them anymore. So, instead of using some of my days and renting some of my days, I rented them all out. Well, now I could get paid around $2,250 per year, to NOT take vacations. So, lets suppose I do this every year for 25 years, taking some vacations and renting some out and earning an additional $25,000 to $50,000 in the process, and THEN I decide I am tired of it and I want my money back. So, I take the trailer to the dealer and give him the trailer and ask for my money back. He says, “Oh, okay. Thank you. The trailer is worth more now than it was when you bought it. So, here is $45,000 back. Have fun.”

Well, that is kind of how it is with DVC. If you bought 150 points at Copper Creek (Direct from Disney) for $182 a point, then it would cost you around $27,500. You would have to pay Maintenance Fees of about $1000 a year, BUT, I just spent 5 days in Pop Century and with ‘Room Tax’ the room cost me $1,150. (There is no room tax on DVC nights). For about the same cost in Maintenance Fees, you could stay 5 days at Copper Creek in October for 77 points. And it is MUCH nicer than Pop Century. Then you could rent out your remaining 73 points. The 73 points could bring in about $1,100. You could use that for vacation or use it to pay maintenance fees or use it to defray the initial purchase cost. If you rented out ALL of your 150 points, you could get about $2,250. AND, when you sell it 25 years down the road, it will probably be worth significantly more than $45,000. So, I think that is a heck of a lot better deal than buying a stupid travel trailer. I wish I had the money back that we spent on our nice shiny trailer, that mostly just sits by the side of my house.
I don't know. I don't think either a travel trailer or DVC is a phenomenal investment.

To begin with, there are potential issues with buying into DVC:
  • You and/or your family might eventually tire of Disney vacations. Hard to believe when kids are young & you're caught up in the magic, but this can definitely happen even after just a few years of trips.
  • It can be hard to reserve exactly what you want via DVC points due to availability.
  • DVC units don't have daily housekeeping, and the studios only have one real bed.
  • WDW is changing, and fast. Some of those changes relate to higher costs and reductions in customer service. If you pay them for years' worth of vacations up-front, you're somewhat stuck with the mouse no matter how he behaves.
  • There are maintenance fees in addition to the purchase price of the DVC.
Yes, I know there are work-arounds to many of these issues (selling, renting, swapping, not everyone wants housekeeping, etc.), but they are still very real issues that should be considered before purchasing.

Comparing the price of DVC to nondiscounted WDW resort rooms isn't the best comparison, because resort discounts are plentiful and common. You can literally get them for most resorts for almost every day of the year. Also, some travel agencies (like the one I use) rent blocks of resort rooms at convention rates, and pass those savings on to clients. That leads to WDW resort rates as low or lower than what people often pay to rent DVC units from owners.

So basically, there are a lot of different ways to save money on a WDW vacation. Before jumping into DVC, take a long look at that shiny travel trailer parked by your house, and think carefully...
 
We bought SSR points direct 12 years ago for $80 pp and then more resale for $60 pp so we could definitely make money if we sold
 


Hmmm ... there is an identical conversation started today on another major DVC website forum ...
 
I'd say if you only bought the travel trailer to use 5 days of the year -- not a good move because you are correct in thinking that the trailer depreciated significantly, like a car, as soon as you drove it off the lot. That is why DVC is likely different than most timeshares, even if you buy in and in 5-10 years you decide it doesn't fit your family (baring a significant economic down turn) you will likely recoup a good portion of what you initially purchased for.

Even in my situation - we bought AKV 120 for $80 per point in 2015 - so roughly paid $9600, today even after taking a few trips I could turn around and sell it for $100-110 per point (and i have seen even higher on ROFR) so $12000-13000, of course there are some selling fees, but i could come out a few thousand over what we initially put in.

You may want to re- think that trailer, neither is technically a financial investment, but one does hold more value than the other. Not a guarantee, but odds are disney will still be very popular for years to come.
 
Cost history:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/so-youve-decided-to-buy-dvc.3567366/#post-56896794

Pre-sales - $48
October, 1991 - $51
July, 1992 - $54.50
November, 1992 - $56
July, 1993 - $57.50
June, 1994 - $60.50
November, 1994 - $61.50
July, 1995 - $62.75
January, 1999 - $65
May, 2000 - $67
January, 2001 - $72
June, 2001 - $75
June, 2002 - $80
December, 2002 - $84
August, 2003 - $89
April, 2004 - $95
June, 2005 - $98
February, 2007 - $101
June, 2007 - $104 (AKV, SSR)
September, 2008 - $112 (BLT)
January, 2009 - $112 (AKV)
March, 2009 - $112 (VGC)
October, 2009 - $120 (BLT)
July, 2010 - $120 (AKV, VGC), $95 (SSR)
October, 2010 - $120 (BLT, AKV), $114 (AUL)
November, 2010 - $120 (AUL, BLT, AKV)
December, 2010 - $130 (BLT)
June, 2011 - $140 (BLT)
August, 2011 - $150 (BLT), $130 (VGC)
December, 2011 - $135 (AUL)
January, 2012 - $155 (BLT), $125 (AKV)
April, 2012 - $160 (BLT), $130 (AKV)
July, 2012 - $165 (BLT), $135 (AKV, AUL)
December, 2012 - $140 (AKV, AUL)
March, 2013 - $165 (BLT), $145 (AKV, AUL)
May, 2013 - $145 (VGF)
June, 2013 - $150 (VGF, AKV, AUL)
February, 2014 - $165 (BLT, VGC), $155 (VGF, AKV, AUL)
June, 2014 - $ 165 (VGF), $160 (AUL)
January, 2015 - $160 (PVB)
February, 2015 - $170 (BLT), $165 (PVB, VGF, AUL)
December, 2015 - $168 (PVB, AUL)
February, 2016 - $180 (BLT, VGC, VGF), $160 (AKV, BCV, BWV, VWL), $140 (OKW, SSR)
May, 2016 - $171 (PVB, AUL)
January 18, 2017 - $175 (PVB, AUL)
March 8, 2017 - Sales begin for current DVC Members at Copper Creek Villas (CCV) $176
April 8 ,2017 - Sales open for non-members at Copper Creek Villas
July, 2017 - Pricing for DVC Resorts - $115 (VB, HHI 50 pt min), $145 (OKW, SSR 50 pt min), $165 (AKV, BCV, BWV, BRV 100 pt min), $176 (AUL, CCV, PVB 100 pt min), $185 (BLT, VGC, VGF 100 pt min)
January 17, 2018 - Pricing for DVC Resorts - $115 (VB, HHI 50 pt min), $145 (OKW, SSR 50 pt min), $165 (AKV, BCV, BWV, BRV, 100 pt min), $182 (CCV, AUL 100 pt min), $220 (PVB, VGF 100 pt min), $235 (VGC 100 pt min)
 
Cost history:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/so-youve-decided-to-buy-dvc.3567366/#post-56896794

Pre-sales - $48
October, 1991 - $51
July, 1992 - $54.50
November, 1992 - $56
July, 1993 - $57.50
June, 1994 - $60.50
November, 1994 - $61.50
July, 1995 - $62.75
January, 1999 - $65
May, 2000 - $67
January, 2001 - $72
June, 2001 - $75
June, 2002 - $80
December, 2002 - $84
August, 2003 - $89
April, 2004 - $95
June, 2005 - $98
February, 2007 - $101
June, 2007 - $104 (AKV, SSR)
September, 2008 - $112 (BLT)
January, 2009 - $112 (AKV)
March, 2009 - $112 (VGC)
October, 2009 - $120 (BLT)
July, 2010 - $120 (AKV, VGC), $95 (SSR)
October, 2010 - $120 (BLT, AKV), $114 (AUL)
November, 2010 - $120 (AUL, BLT, AKV)
December, 2010 - $130 (BLT)
June, 2011 - $140 (BLT)
August, 2011 - $150 (BLT), $130 (VGC)
December, 2011 - $135 (AUL)
January, 2012 - $155 (BLT), $125 (AKV)
April, 2012 - $160 (BLT), $130 (AKV)
July, 2012 - $165 (BLT), $135 (AKV, AUL)
December, 2012 - $140 (AKV, AUL)
March, 2013 - $165 (BLT), $145 (AKV, AUL)
May, 2013 - $145 (VGF)
June, 2013 - $150 (VGF, AKV, AUL)
February, 2014 - $165 (BLT, VGC), $155 (VGF, AKV, AUL)
June, 2014 - $ 165 (VGF), $160 (AUL)
January, 2015 - $160 (PVB)
February, 2015 - $170 (BLT), $165 (PVB, VGF, AUL)
December, 2015 - $168 (PVB, AUL)
February, 2016 - $180 (BLT, VGC, VGF), $160 (AKV, BCV, BWV, VWL), $140 (OKW, SSR)
May, 2016 - $171 (PVB, AUL)
January 18, 2017 - $175 (PVB, AUL)
March 8, 2017 - Sales begin for current DVC Members at Copper Creek Villas (CCV) $176
April 8 ,2017 - Sales open for non-members at Copper Creek Villas
July, 2017 - Pricing for DVC Resorts - $115 (VB, HHI 50 pt min), $145 (OKW, SSR 50 pt min), $165 (AKV, BCV, BWV, BRV 100 pt min), $176 (AUL, CCV, PVB 100 pt min), $185 (BLT, VGC, VGF 100 pt min)
January 17, 2018 - Pricing for DVC Resorts - $115 (VB, HHI 50 pt min), $145 (OKW, SSR 50 pt min), $165 (AKV, BCV, BWV, BRV, 100 pt min), $182 (CCV, AUL 100 pt min), $220 (PVB, VGF 100 pt min), $235 (VGC 100 pt min)


I know you just cut and paste those prices, but I don't think the current prices are correct. All pricing changed in 2018. All but VB went up (VB went down).
 
I think anything that anybody considers to be 'scary expensive' had better have a lot of value come along with it. DVC is the third most expensive thing I have ever bought, behind a house and family car, but I never considered the purchase to be 'scary'. It was money that had been put aside for a rainy day. With that said, I haven't looked back in the year since purchasing and wished I had not spent the money, so I guess that's a good sign that the purchase was 'worth it'. Now I get to start my run of "free" visits throughout the next year, having already paid my annual dues and purchased the annual passes. It's hard to put value on vacations, but I know that I am greatly looking forward to mine if that means anything.
 
I bought at BLT back in 2009 and to this day, I look at my initial investment as a bargain. I paid just under $100 a point if I remember correctly and it allows me two or three really nice trips to Disney each year. I just wish I could go back in time to 2009 and maybe bump up my initial purchase by another 50 or so points.
 
We are in the process of purchasing another resale contract to just rent out. By the time the contract expires in 36 years we will have made $186,000 that is minus the dues. So our small investment ($25K) will payoff in the long run.
 
We are in the process of purchasing another resale contract to just rent out. By the time the contract expires in 36 years we will have made $186,000 that is minus the dues. So our small investment ($25K) will payoff in the long run.

I hope you also plan to use that contract. DVC strictly as an investment, unless it is used to diversify a portfolio, is short changing yourself. You will average a 5.7% annual return using your numbers. If, over the 36 years, you averaged a 7% return, you would be up to $285,000, and the dues for index funds are significantly smaller.
 
I hope you also plan to use that contract. DVC strictly as an investment, unless it is used to diversify a portfolio, is short changing yourself. You will average a 5.7% annual return using your numbers. If, over the 36 years, you averaged a 7% return, you would be up to $285,000, and the dues for index funds are significantly smaller.

A ROI of 5% is not bad at all, the company handling or investing my pension funds can’t even average that and haven’t done some for the last few years. This year they are down 1,5%.

So by saying you can average 7% you might be right but it all depends on the investment and who is doing it for you.
 
If you can't afford to see half your "investment" disappear pretty much over night if there is a recession, then DVC is scary expensive. Because having that much capital tied up if you loose your job and need it to live on - with no guarantees that rental is going to bring in enough income to cover the use of the capital during that time, is bad.
 
A ROI of 5% is not bad at all, the company handling or investing my pension funds can’t even average that and haven’t done some for the last few years. This year they are down 1,5%.

So by saying you can average 7% you might be right but it all depends on the investment and who is doing it for you.

If your company handling you pension funds can't get better than 5% over 36 years they should be indicted. As a short term investment, the market goes up and down - but it averages higher than 5% historically over 30 years - in fact, the worst period over the last nearly a century it returned 8% over 30 years.

http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2016/05/deconstructing-30-year-stock-market-returns/
 
A ROI of 5% is not bad at all, the company handling or investing my pension funds can’t even average that and haven’t done some for the last few years. This year they are down 1,5%.

So by saying you can average 7% you might be right but it all depends on the investment and who is doing it for you.

Thank you for that! Same boat here.

It also probably greatly depends on your age. My 20 yo daughter starting her first retirement fund with money she won't really miss and knowing she's got 50 years to recoup losses is going to invest differently than DH & I in our early/mid 40's with a desire and probable ability to retire at 60ish. DH would actually like to retire at 55 I'm sure. We're in play it very safe mode already.
 

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