Mom Ticketed For Neglect After Calling Police To Help Free Toddler Locked in Car

When they called the police did they tell them to break the window? If it was such an emergency why would they have the mom wait until they got there? What if they were held up and it was longer than expected?

The article states they think she was in the car for more than 15 minutes based on the temp inside the car.
“When temperatures outside range from 80 degrees to 100 degrees, the temperature inside a car parked in direct sunlight can quickly climb to between 130 to 172.”
It was 93 outside, the temp in the car after the window was broken was 97.
According to google, on a 70 degree day, in 30 minutes the temp in a car will reach 104.

I think they are just covering their butts because they know issuing a ticket was a stupid thing to do in that situation and they are being called out on that.
 
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I got a suggestion for anyone who thinks the mother wasn't negligent--wait until it's 93 degrees out, put your car outside in the sun and then sit in it with the windows rolled up for 15 minutes (or more, because who knows how long the child was really in the car) and then come back and report if you would leave your kid in there that long without immediately calling the police, or what I would do after a minute or two, break the damn window!

It obvious that they worried more about a car window than kid.

If you read the article the aunt claims she left the keys in the car when she got out and then went to open the back door and a gust of wind blew the doors shut and locked them. How does that happen? A gust of wind blew both the front and back door shut and caused both doors to be locked?

Obviously there is more to the story and why there was a ticket issued. The article said that the police didn't believe what they were being told. The story sounds a little sketchy to me.
I will say the article says the gusts of wind were 40mph..that is def. enough to move a car door. As for the car locking I've got no idea but I wondered, if it was true or at least that detail was true, if it was a car where the car itself locks the door if X,Y,Z occurs such as leaving the keys inside and exiting the vehicle or child locks engage or something like that (I know I could be reaching here). But regardless I still think there is more to the story and the police did say they felt the child had been in there longer than 15 mins.
 
When they called the police did they tell them to break the window? If it was such an emergency why would they have the mom wait until they got there? What if they were held up and it was longer than expected?

The article states they think she was in the car for more than 15 minutes based on the temp inside the car.
It was 93 outside, the temp in the car after the window was broken was 97.
According to google, on a 70 degree day, in 30 minutes the temp in a car will reach 104.

I think they are just covering their butts because they know issuing a ticket was a stupid thing to do in that situation and they are being called out on that.
The rest of the google quote though is: "When temperatures outside range from 80 degrees to 100 degrees, the temperature inside a car parked in direct sunlight can quickly climb to between 130 to 172."

I had mentioned earlier I didn't know if the car was in direct sunlight but regardless the temp was 23 degrees hotter outside than that 70 degree temp with the 30min guideline. It could have been that the car was parked in shade or inside a garage or carport (as it was after they had arrived at the house) that could have slowed the raise in temp. It was 97 degrees inside the vehicle a few mins after the window was broken.

The article didn't say that the officer didn't tell the people to try to break the window while he was on his way to them so we don't really know either way on that at this time.

I still think we're missing some details here.
 
The rest of the google quote though is: "When temperatures outside range from 80 degrees to 100 degrees, the temperature inside a car parked in direct sunlight can quickly climb to between 130 to 172."

I had mentioned earlier I didn't know if the car was in direct sunlight but regardless the temp was 23 degrees hotter outside than that 70 degree temp with the 30min guideline. It could have been that the car was parked in shade or inside a garage or carport (as it was after they had arrived at the house) that could have slowed the raise in temp. It was 97 degrees inside the vehicle a few mins after the window was broken.

The article didn't say that the officer didn't tell the people to try to break the window while he was on his way to them so we don't really know either way on that at this time.

I still think we're missing some details here.

I'm not sure when you quoted my post, but I did edit it to include the rest of the google quote.
The car was only 4 degrees hotter than it was outside, even in the shade a few minutes isn't long enough for the temp to drop 30+ degrees. If the car was in the shade, then what was the immediate danger? Why the need to ticket for neglect?
If it was in the sun on a 93 degree day than it would probably been much hotter in there if she was in there longer than 15 minutes.
I think you are right, we are missing something and it has nothing to do with the accidental locking the toddler in the car. It has to do with that police officer's power trip.
 


I'm not sure when you quoted my post, but I did edit it to include the rest of the google quote.
The car was only 4 degrees hotter than it was outside, even in the shade a few minutes isn't long enough for the temp to drop 30+ degrees. If the car was in the shade, then what was the immediate danger? Why the need to ticket for neglect?
If it was in the sun on a 93 degree day than it would probably been much hotter in there if she was in there longer than 15 minutes.
I think you are right, we are missing something and it has nothing to do with the accidental locking the toddler in the car. It has to do with that police officer's power trip.
Yes I quoted before you added in the rest of the quote :-)

As for the immediate danger..I don't have a clue if it was in the shade or not I was just mentioning that in regards to the temp inside the vehicle. But I would argue that a child locked in a car regardless of temp should be treated as an immediate danger...it's not the time to be calling for roadside assistance.

On the power trip I can't agree nor disagree on that-I don't have the information to actually say that he was on a power trip. As a few others mentioned it could honestly have been the details and the steps the adults took in the situation that raised questions/alarms.
 
That is why I said it is most likely a ticketable offense at the officer's discretion. Both times my grandson was locked in was accidental but I work with people on a daily basis that have some kind of offense and most claim it was an "accident" or a "mistake"
Did any of those people call authorities on themselves?
 
I think you might be right. Their is definently something that doesn't add up with this story. I mean how long would the adults have continued to wait? 20min, 30min, 45 min, an hour or two? Police aren't around every corner, so just because they called they could have waited another hour for an officer to arrive.
Like what? Do people abuse their kids in a public place by locking them in a car then trying to rescue them?
 


Like what? Do people abuse their kids in a public place by locking them in a car then trying to rescue them?
While I get where you are going with that there are plenty of times where people have been abusing their children, trying to kill them, etc while also getting help-think about the times where parents have harmed their children or let someone harm their child but they still worked with police as if it was a missing child situation. For that matter that could be with pets and other people not just with parents and their children.

I am not in any way saying that's what is going on in this story but it's not really accurate at all to paint the picture that just because someone went seeking for aid that something else wasn't going on. A scenario I could see, again not for this particular story though, is a caregiver feeling guilt over what they were doing and then trying to rectify the situation by calling/seeking help.

*I'm not speaking for the other poster just responding to your comment in a generality not this specific situation way*
 
While I get where you are going with that there are plenty of times where people have been abusing their children, trying to kill them, etc while also getting help-think about the times where parents have harmed their children or let someone harm their child but they still worked with police as if it was a missing child situation. For that matter that could be with pets and other people not just with parents and their children.

I am not in any way saying that's what is going on in this story but it's not really accurate at all to paint the picture that just because someone went seeking for aid that something else wasn't going on. A scenario I could see, again not for this particular story though, is a caregiver feeling guilt over what they were doing and then trying to rectify the situation by calling/seeking help.

*I'm not speaking for the other poster just responding to your comment in a generality not this specific situation way*
But when the police issued the ticket, it WAS about this story. And they should have used their common sense to know that's not what was going on here.
 
Like what? Do people abuse their kids in a public place by locking them in a car then trying to rescue them?
I just wonder if it was longer than 15 min or if their was something else that we aren't hearing. How long do you think it would take for an officer to respond after the initial 911 call? Cause I'm thinking that alone probably took 15 min plus the time they used calling roadside assistance, plus however much time in between those calls, plus how long before they even made the first call for help. The article said they tried opening the door themselves first, how long was this? I'm betting the officer may have thought their story suspicious, I don't think he/she should've wrote a ticket but I wasn't their, so I don't know what I don't know. For all I know the ticket may be completely unrelated to the child being locked in the car. Unless I missed it I don't remember it clearly stating that's why the ticket was wrote.
I'm just speculating but I bet the officers story would read slightly different.
 
I just wonder if it was longer than 15 min or if their was something else that we aren't hearing. How long do you think it would take for an officer to respond after the initial 911 call? Cause I'm thinking that alone probably took 15 min plus the time they used calling roadside assistance, plus however much time in between those calls, plus how long before they even made the first call for help. The article said they tried opening the door themselves first, how long was this? I'm betting the officer may have thought their story suspicious, I don't think he/she should've wrote a ticket but I wasn't their, so I don't know what I don't know. For all I know the ticket may be completely unrelated to the child being locked in the car. Unless I missed it I don't remember it clearly stating that's why the ticket was wrote.
I'm just speculating but I bet the officers story would read slightly different.
That's possible. All we have to go on is what was in the story, which is likely incomplete. But I doubt it took the police 15 minutes to arrive when they had a call about a child trapped in a hot car. I'd wager on 5 minutes or less. But once again, all speculation.

It's not hard to get to a "poor judgment" accusation in this situation, but I find it hard to get to abuse or neglect.
 
"Omaha police say it’s a potentially deadly circumstance, and one reason a local mother was ticketed Tuesday on suspicion of child abuse by neglect."
This is the first paragraph of the article.
One reason, was their something else the officer noticed?
 
That's possible. All we have to go on is what was in the story, which is likely incomplete. But I doubt it took the police 15 minutes to arrive when they had a call about a child trapped in a hot car. I'd wager on 5 minutes or less. But once again, all speculation.
we called the police once for a man shooting at someone, it took 42min to respond.
 
But when the police issued the ticket, it WAS about this story. And they should have used their common sense to know that's not what was going on here.
Well what is common sense here though? None of us here on the Boards are privy to the whole situation correct? We don't know if there were other circumstances going on or if the fully story is even being told. Like I mentioned earlier it could have been the story or the steps the adults took or other things going on that gave the officer pause.
 
"Omaha police say it’s a potentially deadly circumstance, and one reason a local mother was ticketed Tuesday on suspicion of child abuse by neglect."
This is the first paragraph of the article.
One reason, was their something else the officer noticed?
Fair point. I hope someone follows up and updates this thread if any additional information is released.
we called the police once for a man shooting at someone, it took 42min to respond.
That's awful. But I wouldn't assume all response times are like that everywhere.
 
"Omaha police say it’s a potentially deadly circumstance, and one reason a local mother was ticketed Tuesday on suspicion of child abuse by neglect."
This is the first paragraph of the article.
One reason, was their something else the officer noticed?
Yet the child was seen at the hospital, did not require treatment at the hospital(so no hyperthermia) and released. Obviously no neglect noted by the professionals at the hospital. This was an accident and a family in a panic who may not have reacted perfectly...and a cop who overreacted. End result is people may think twice before calling the police for assistance, fearing prosecution. Another unnecessary situation that erodes confidence in the police.
 
Ds's ex accidently locked dgd in the car in front of my house. We immediately called 911 and they sent a deputy. We live pretty far out and he wasn't close by. It took him less than 10 minutes to get there. It took him less than 3 to get her out. So less than 15 minutes all together.

It's possible that they are told to ticket any and all in this situation and let the court system sort it out. If something like this is done again by that parent and the ticket or charge is already on their record, makes it easier to prosecute them with a proven pattern, right?
 
It's possible that they are told to ticket any and all in this situation and let the court system sort it out. If something like this is done again by that parent and the ticket or charge is already on their record, makes it easier to prosecute them with a proven pattern, right?
And therein lies the problem today. Not everyone is a criminal! Common sense and logic has gone out the window in policing.Everyone one they come in contact with is, in the polices eyes, guilty until proven innocent in a court of law, even in ridiculous situations as this one...that isn't how it is in the US.
 
Yet the child was seen at the hospital, did not require treatment at the hospital(so no hyperthermia) and released. Obviously no neglect noted by the professionals at the hospital. This was an accident and a family in a panic who may not have reacted perfectly...and a cop who overreacted. End result is people may think twice before calling the police for assistance, fearing prosecution. Another unnecessary situation that erodes confidence in the police.

First off I'm glad the child wasn't hurt, as I'm sure we all are.
But I think theirs more that we aren't being told.
Maybe I'm wrong and the officers just a "blank"
Honestly I probably wouldn't have even called the police to begin with, pick up a rock, bust window, remove child, call safelite to replace window.
 
Yet the child was seen at the hospital, did not require treatment at the hospital(so no hyperthermia) and released. Obviously no neglect noted by the professionals at the hospital. This was an accident and a family in a panic who may not have reacted perfectly...and a cop who overreacted. End result is people may think twice before calling the police for assistance, fearing prosecution. Another unnecessary situation that erodes confidence in the police.
It may just be me but I'm not certain the "one reason" part is directly related the child's temp. When I read "one reason" I was more thinking the officer felt something else was going on than what he was being told. The doctors at the hospital not noting neglect doesn't really mean much here in this situation if you look at the below information.


The ticket was for "suspicion of child abuse by neglect".

Nebraska defines neglect this way:
"Neglect is defined in two ways.
  1. Emotional neglect is when the child suffers from the parent's not giving them chances for feeling loved, wanted, secure, and worthy.
  2. Physical neglect is when a parent does not provide basic needs or a safe place to live. Examples are:
  • not having enough food or clothing;
  • not following doctor's orders;
  • not providing the supervision needed to keep the child safe;
  • not having heat in the winter."
I don't know if this is the exact statute used for the ticket but there is this from Nebraska:
"
28-710.
Act, how cited; terms, defined.
(1) Sections 28-710 to 28-727 shall be known and may be cited as the Child Protection and Family Safety Act.

(2) For purposes of the Child Protection and Family Safety Act:

(a) Alternative response means a comprehensive assessment of (i) child safety, (ii) the risk of future child abuse or neglect, (iii) family strengths and needs, and (iv) the provision of or referral for necessary services and support. Alternative response is an alternative to traditional response and does not include an investigation or a formal determination as to whether child abuse or neglect has occurred, and the subject of the report shall not be entered into the central registry of child protection cases maintained pursuant to section 28-718;

(b) Child abuse or neglect means knowingly, intentionally, or negligently causing or permitting a minor child to be:

(i) Placed in a situation that endangers his or her life or physical or mental health;

(ii) Cruelly confined or cruelly punished;

(iii) Deprived of necessary food, clothing, shelter, or care;

(iv) Left unattended in a motor vehicle if such minor child is six years of age or younger;

(v) Sexually abused; or

(vi) Sexually exploited by allowing, encouraging, or forcing such person to solicit for or engage in prostitution, debauchery, public indecency, or obscene or pornographic photography, films, or depictions;

(c) Comprehensive assessment means an analysis of child safety, risk of future child abuse or neglect, and family strengths and needs on a report of child abuse or neglect. Comprehensive assessment does not include a determination as to whether the child abuse or neglect occurred but does determine the need for services and support to address the safety of children and the risk of future abuse or neglect;

(d) Department means the Department of Health and Human Services;

(e) Investigation means fact gathering related to the current safety of a child and the risk of future child abuse or neglect that determines whether child abuse or neglect has occurred and whether child protective services are needed;

(f) Law enforcement agency means the police department or town marshal in incorporated municipalities, the office of the sheriff in unincorporated areas, and the Nebraska State Patrol;

(g) Out-of-home child abuse or neglect means child abuse or neglect occurring in day care homes, foster homes, day care centers, residential child-caring agencies as defined in section 71-1926, and other child care facilities or institutions;

(h) Review, Evaluate, and Decide Team means an internal team of staff within the department and shall include no fewer than two supervisors or administrators and two staff members knowledgeable on the policies and practices of the department, including, but not limited to, the structured review process. County attorneys, child advocacy centers, or law enforcement agency personnel may attend team reviews upon request of a party;

(i) Traditional response means an investigation by a law enforcement agency or the department pursuant to section 28-713 which requires a formal determination of whether child abuse or neglect has occurred; and

(j) Subject of the report of child abuse or neglect means the person or persons identified in the report as responsible for the child abuse or neglect."

So to me it is entirely possible the officer viewed the situation as more than a simple accident and more of a cause for concern of other factors.
 

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