No Dreams, No Magic

I can’t believe this post is still going. Thank you to everyone who at least tried to understand what I was trying to say without dousing me with gasoline.

I’ll try one more time. We had a great time at Disney. We always will. We go to Disney for two reasons. One for the amazing attractions and two for the feeling of magic and customer service we receive. Those two things differentiate Disney from a local Six Flags (which by the way we have a great time at too!!). As for the winning dreams, I don’t care how it sounded I was not bitter or whining we didn’t win anything nor was I expecting (nor did I care), I was simply pointing out that we did not see all that much while we were there. That’s it. I also proceeded to point out that we had many more magical experiences on our previous trips. I agree that that could be coincidence and people having bad days and all that. I also agree that this is just my perception and my less magical experience may be someone’s most amazing experience ever. Heck, walking down Main Street alone is pretty darn magical (I liked the pizza quote). While the comment about cast members focusing on other people’s dreams and not taking care of us was somewhat tongue in cheek, the truth is I wonder if the YOAMD has had a downstream effect that’s all.

Next, service and customer perception is absolutely and most definitely measurable. I work for a company that makes a science out of it. I can hook you up with our director of quality assurance and he can walk you through how to scientifically survey your customers. It is really quite extraordinary.

And finally, bad day coincidence or whatever, it just so happens that our experience at Universal had more magic. I can give you several very small things that happened that had nothing to do with a million dreams that just made us laugh, smile whatever. Like the guy at the front desk who checked us in helping us when I asked about restaurants; he went in the back and came out with a handful of menus and flipped through them with us. When we got to Bubba Gump Shrimp he called my oldest daughter who resembles Robin Wright, “Jenny” and did his best Forrest impression. It just so happens my oldest daughter’s name IS Jenny and she hates that. I know you had to be there but it was hysterical. Jennnnnny, weeeeez like peeez and corrats, again. She turned red and we were laughing our rearends off. Meantime, Mr. Chuckles at CSR didn’t smile once, didn’t even give us our welcome package (I had to go back and ask for it) and when our broad room request (Casitas section) was denied (forth time in a row now we have not received our request), he did nothing to at least try to do something. I don’t mean to pick on that guy. He was just one example. The fast pass thing was another example where from a guy who deals with customer service every day, I thought it could have been handled differently whether the cast member was empowered to do so or not. We had an experience on a previous trip where my daughter was measured for a ride, passed, waited in line, was measured again at the vehicle and did not make. She started crying and without hesitation, the cast member grabbed a manager who came out with a “family fastpass”. Nobody asked for it. He saw a crying child and reacted. To me, that is Disney magic and it has nothing to do with a million dreams.

As for people who really did have a bad experience like having wet floors or have something actually happen to them. Those things happen and those are real issues. Luckily nothing major like that has happened to us and I don't want to compare these little type of things with those who really do have bad experiences. Those things happen everywhere, Disney, Universal, the Jersey shore, whatever.

So, just because I pointed these things out does not mean my vacation was ruined or I that I had a bad time. We had a great time. And anyone who has a bad vacation because they did not win a dream is insane. But remember that the great service is one of the two things that sets Disney apart. I hope next time I go, we prove that the flat less magical trip was just coincidental. But as a Disney fan, it is OK to be a bit concerned. That’s it!! Thanks for reading!!
 
i understood what you said the first time

i still don't understand why you were flamed. :confused3
 
What disappointed me about my last trip (and first trip to Disneyland) was that I could not ride The Subs! Once the line was 2 1/2 hour wait and the second time it was closed for repairs! Both times I woke up at 5:30 am so that I could be very close to the line for Early Entry. That was disappointing for me...:sad1:
 
Next, service and customer perception is absolutely and most definitely measurable. I work for a company that makes a science out of it. I can hook you up with our director of quality assurance and he can walk you through how to scientifically survey your customers. It is really quite extraordinary.
Considering the number of people who didn't find your experiences to be as nonmagical as you made it out to be, and the people who agreed with you...it's clearly NOT measurable. When something is defined by opinion and you have a number of people who are of the opinion it's one way and a number of people who are of the opinion that it's another way, then it cannot be definitely measured into one specific way. Measurement implies exactness...and perspective/perception is not an exact science because it changes from person to person. I don't need to be "hooked up with" your director of quality assurance because I know that the bottom line is that the whole thing is based off of customer opinion and opinions can be varying and and even dependent on even the littlest things like having no coffee in the morning when they woke up. This is why I brought up how I could find something marvelously magical while you may find it incredibly dull. You found the CMs handling of irate guests to be nonmagical, and I didn't see anything wrong with it. Right there shows that our perspectives on the matter are very different...and proves my point: that things like this cannot be measured because it's just based on opinion. And when you have a world full of varying opinions, you can't measure it. You may be able to see trends and patterns, but you cannot make an exact measurement or "science" out of it because then that would completely ignore anyone who may have a different perspective.

In this case, your perspective, or opinion, is that you're right on the subject. Others have a very different opinion. Once again showing, it's not something that can be measured when you have people with polar opposite perspectives. But I bet your director of quality assurance has a different opinion on my thoughts. lol

Anyway, since we clearly have different opinions (;)) on this matter, I'm just going to move on.
 
The name of the milkshake is Orbiting Oreo. It had very little alcohol in it, and yes it was very good. I ordered it for me, and we all tried it. He was acting like i ordered her a beer and gave it to her to drink. She took a sip, and he made a big seen over it. He was just completely rude from the minute he came over to the table.
Just to comment on the milkshake...it doesn't matter if it was loaded with alcohol or just had a tiny drop, it is illegal to serve alcohol to minors and it is the restaurant's responsibility to make sure that they are not breaking any laws. They could be fined big time and lose their liquor license. You may be fine with letting your DD drink it, however it is not fine for the restaurant and even a sip could bring big consequences for them if the "right" (or "wrong" depending on your perspective) pair of eyes were watching.
 
I can't comment directly on the rudeness since I wasn't there, but just to comment on the milkshake...it doesn't matter if it was loaded with alcohol or just had a tiny drop, it is illegal to serve alcohol to minors and it is the restaurant's responsibility to make sure that they are not breaking any laws. They could be fined big time and lose their liquor license. You may be fine with letting your DD drink it, however it is not fine for the restaurant and even a sip could bring big consequences for them if the "right" (or "wrong" depending on your perspective) pair of eyes were watching.

We were out to eat and my sister ordered a coke for my 4 year old nephew. He doesn't get soda all the time, but they were on vacation and wanted to treat him. The waitress insisted that a fruit juice would be better for him, and shook her head with disapproval. Finally my sister said, "I'll decide what's best for my kid, just bring him the coke". Of course the alcohol thing is different from a legal perspective, but still you get that icky sense someone is imposing their morals on you.
 
We were out to eat and my sister ordered a coke for my 4 year old nephew. He doesn't get soda all the time, but they were on vacation and wanted to treat him. The waitress insisted that a fruit juice would be better for him, and shook her head with disapproval. Finally my sister said, "I'll decide what's best for my kid, just bring him the coke". Of course the alcohol thing is different from a legal perspective, but still you get that icky sense someone is imposing their morals on you.

Holy cow! Where was this? I would've had to tell the manager there. Not make a big scene but just let him/her know.
btw, hi neighbor!!:goodvibes :flower3:
we're in Cherry Hill and have very dear friends in Cinnaminson. :thumbsup2
 
Ugh. Is this poor guy still getting flamed?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Isn't it amazing how people have to pick apart posts and quote and re-quote just to prove that they are right.

He had his experience and commented on it. He was flamed and the vultures that circle the board dove in to pick at his flaming carcass. He tried to clarify his position, but OH NO... too late... he's already said something negative and must be punished. Clarifying only makes it worse. Let's pull out our quotes and re-quotes and show him he is wrong, WRONG I tell you.

This isn't a healthy exchange of differing opinions, this is a beat-down... and anyone that thinks an individual who had a few negative comments to begin with is going to walk away from a thread like this with a more positive view of WDW is kidding themselves.

And isn't that the point? We all love WDW and want to share that joy... that magic... and help others to love what we love about it. Just because he didn't have a perfect vacation and shared that doesn't mean that he did something wrong. Why can't we say (as some along the way did), "Gee, I'm sorry your vacation wasn't all you hoped or experienced in the past. I'm glad to hear you plan on going back and I hope you'll have a great time then." and leave it at that?

Okay, go ahead... quote me and bash me if you feel you must... I doubt anyone can just leave it alone at this point since the OP couldn't put it to rest.
 
Just to comment on the milkshake...it doesn't matter if it was loaded with alcohol or just had a tiny drop, it is illegal to serve alcohol to minors and it is the restaurant's responsibility to make sure that they are not breaking any laws. They could be fined big time and lose their liquor license. You may be fine with letting your DD drink it, however it is not fine for the restaurant and even a sip could bring big consequences for them if the "right" (or "wrong" depending on your perspective) pair of eyes were watching.

OT - not sure of FL liquor laws...

PA has roving LCB (liquor control board) agents who enforce the law to the letter, not uncommon for them to sweep into an establishment, close it down & card everyone; other times they just sit undercover watching for slip ups:rolleyes1 as one who moonlighted as bartender in PA, not only is the establishment fined heavily for 'serving underage minors'...

many fines also apply to the bartender...to the tune of:

$1,000 to $5,000 PA Liquor Code;

$1,000 1st drink, $2,500 each additional drink under PA Crime Code; and

the sky's the limit under Civil litigation for subsequent death, injury or damange caused by said minor
 
After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion, and it is my sole opinion that the term 'flamed' has to be the most overly used in the English language. I bet that even the Brazilian tour groups use it now.
It replaces the word 'disrespectful' that, until this thread, was, by me, previously considered to be the most overly used word. It, however, remains a close second.:goodvibes
 
Alright, I give up. It is obviously not possible for me to experience a decline in service and Disney magic year over year. Not possible. I must be some whining spoiled brat who didn’t WIN anything. I'll just drink my Disney Kool Aid and continue to repeat over and over: "Everything at Disney is awesome, I can't wait to go back."

Do not ever challenge the magic of Disney hence be pummeled by the disboard Disney disciples. :duck:

:rotfl:

Uh oh, someone forget to take their Xanax today....:sad2:
 
Imagine that, people with different opinions on the matter that have to shove their opinion as fact & truth.

God Forbid that someone doesn't have a 1hu4896378947y54897458937% magical time at Disney & feels the need to comment on it.

Life is NOT always peaches & roses. It also certainly isn't always peaches & roses at WDW and I appreciate people who TELL THE TRUTH instead of sugar coating things.

I receive horrible service at every single theme park I visit - does not matter which one it is. I stopped caring after a while because I know those people work for $8/hr & with the cost of living in Florida the way it is, you can't find anyone worth a %%&& to work for $8/hr and smile about it.

When you get great service - ENJOY IT, maybe even tell someone. We always complain about bad service, but how many people honestly go out of their way to say I RECEIVED GREAT SERVICE?!!!

Do you?? I know I do, and you'd be surprised at the reaction people get.
 
Yeah the people who felt the need to blast the OP because he didn't have a Magical Freaking Day at Disney.

:sad2:

:lmao:

Seriously though, I really didn't mean to poke fun at people who are on meds. I just find it amazing that someone decided to write a post that they didn't feel the magic because a CM didn't smile at them :confused3
 
i understand allie, when i read what you posted, I thought you were trying to make a joke at people who have medical needs.

the problem with posting, we lose a lot of translation when we read it.
sometimes it is difficult for readers to understand the jest on the boards.

i know people have different opinions on parks. that i can live with.

i always go to both theme parks each year. i enjoy both of them.
 
I, like the OP, can hardly believe this is still going. But the OP keeps it going with all the posts about customer service being measurable, how this Disney CM didn't smile, but the Universal ones did. It seems to me the OP is taking the worst moments of the WDW trip, comparing them to the best moments of the Universal trip and using that as some sort of "measurement" to say Universal has more "Magic" than Disney. Customer service simply is not "measurable", because it is not quantifiable. I'm quite familiar with customer service metrics, customer opinion polling, etc. They are not a measurement of "Magic." With all the polling Disney does, they obviously are under the impression that "Magic" is measurable. It is not.

I can't believe that much of the original post dealt with a ride breakdown and not being given FP's because of it. I've had this happen at WDW and never received FP's for it. I don't consider that un-magical. I consider it simple bad luck.

I was at Legoland last summer, which right now is the most "Magical" park in the country, in my opinion ;) , but the last line we got in for the day was for a ride that shut down 30 seconds before we got on it. We waited a good 35 minutes for it, but didn't get to ride it. We got zero, zip, nada for our trouble. But that doesn't discount the absolutely incredible rest of the day we had at Legoland. Unlike the OP, who apparently can't remember one good thing about their time at WDW, we chose to emphasize the 99% of the day that was the best park experience we've ever had (and we've been to WDW, DL, King's Island, Six Flags, you name it), and de-emphasize the minor disappointment at the end of the day.

I can understand a post about a truly unmagical time at WDW, with actual bad experiences listed, like some have posted on here. That is a shame, and I feel bad for those people, and hope they can experience some magic, whether it's at Legoland, WDW, DL or Universal. Everyone deserves that from time to time.

But the experiences the OP describes come across like a whine. To fault WDW giving Dreams/Wishes/whatever to others but not yourself is bad form, IMO. It would be more fruitful to view the less pleasant things in a broader context that includes the good things that happened on a vacation, as well as a broader context in the fact that, while you may not have gotten wishes/dreams/whatever, other people have and that should make you happy.

If you see a story on the news about minimum wage workers winning a $200 million lottery, do you get angry at the lottery commission for not giving you the prize, even though you bought a ticket? Or do you feel happy for those that win, with maybe a twinge of envy? I fall under the latter camp about the lottery, as I do about the Wishes/Dreams/Magic thing. I don't expect to win one, so it doesn't disappoint me if I don't get them and others do. There are enough great things that happen just by being at WDW, that for us getting to spend a night in the castle or whatever never even crosses our minds.

If the worst that happened to you is that some CM's didn't smile and a ride broke down while you were in line, I think you should be thankful for that. Other people often have far worse things happen, but manage to keep on the sunny side and make lemons out of lemonade, to mix metaphors, because so much else happens that is good.
 
We went to Disney World in late August of 06 and had a magical, wonderful time. We were not planning on going back in 07 but we received a "code" for discounted resort rates and jumped on it. We were expecting another magical, wonderful trip. Boy, were we surprised! Our trip this year was the total opposite of last. The parks were extremely crowded, very dirty (which shocked us) and the cast members were anything but pleasant as they had been last year.

Our resort was Port Orleans Riverside and we were there for 8 nights. We had 5 people in our room and they constantly left 4 towels, even after calls to housekeeping. The first two nights, the beds weren't even made...the quilt was simply thrown up on the bed. Our sheets were never changed the entire time we were there.

We had cast members respond to our have a nice day with "How can I, I work for a Mouse." Complaints about their wages and in general a sour demeanor. We even had a bus driver with the bus listing where he was going, refuse to take us there. He was sitting in a slot (apparently not the correct one for where we wanted to go) with the lights showing where we wanted to go and when we got on the bus, he said in a rude way that he was getting ready to go on a run and wasn't going where the bus stated. However, he said in a put out way that he would take us. I told my kids to get off the bus...I didn't need more attitude. We came away wondering if there are labor issues going on at the World.

In general what shocked us most were the attitudes of the cast members and the lack of cleanliness in the parks. We have never seen Disney dirty before but it sure was this time.
 

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