Yee Haw Bob Sexual Harrassment

[Mermaid02]

I don't see it as a modern day witch hunt when some of the people being accused right now have admitted to actually doing it.

It is CRAZY that we are "supposed" to assume everyone who is accused is guilty... just guilty because someone is accusing them. No evidence, no trial... guilty until proven innocent. What is going on??? And an unwelcome pat on the rump is inappropriate and might get someone slapped... but it isn't sexual assault.

 

[sam_gordon]

But the knee jerk reaction to label every accusation as a witch hunt, and to label every accusation against someone you like as hysteria terrifies me.

But the knee jerk reaction to find every person accused guilty, and to label every accusation truthful terrifies me.

I have no doubt this lady thinks what she claims happens happened.
I have no doubt the #metoo movement is prompting her to come forward.
BUT,
I have no doubt asking people to write to the Disney company asking the guy be fired is wrong.
I have no doubt she contacted Disney (at some point) and lodged a complaint.

Because folks are skeptical about THIS claim doesn't mean they're skeptical about ALL claims. On the other hand, should we not have at least a LITTLE skepticism? Shouldn't we make sure the accusations make logical sense? IMO, THAT'S what's wrong here. Her claims don't pass the logic test...
1) It happened 6 years ago in 2013.
2) A friend has photographic "evidence" but the woman hasn't seen it.
3) Disney wrote her a check (without having her sign a NDA) that she tore up.
4) Disney so wronged her that she tore up the check, but she continues to promote and frequent the company and parks.
5) She is so traumatized by a butt grab that she loses sleep over it 4 years later.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Because folks are skeptical about THIS claim doesn't mean they're skeptical about ALL claims. On the other hand, should we not have at least a LITTLE skepticism? Shouldn't we make sure the accusations make logical sense? IMO, THAT'S what's wrong here. Her claims don't pass the logic test...
1) It happened 6 years ago in 2013.
2) A friend has photographic "evidence" but the woman hasn't seen it.
3) Disney wrote her a check (without having her sign a NDA) that she tore up.
4) Disney so wronged her that she tore up the check, but she continues to promote and frequent the company and parks.
5) She is so traumatized by a butt grab that she loses sleep over it 4 years later.

Or is it 6 years?

 

[Sue M]

I would like to see the thread name changed as well please.

 

[andrewilley]

I would like to see the thread name changed as well please.

I asked if the mods could make the thread title a bit less inflammatory too - even if this allegation was 100% true (which currently seems to be rather doubtful) then it is still hardly full-on "sexual harassment". I suggested something along the lines of "YeHaa Bob Jackson: Allegation of Inappropriate Behaviour" would be more accurate. Or even as far as "YeHaa Bob Jackson denies allegation of Inappropriate Behaviour". Mods, I'm guessing you must be watching this thread like a hawk, any chance you could do this?

Oh, and I can confirm that Bob performed his normal show at the River Roost Lounge last night, as usual.

Andre

 

[Disneylover99]

Oh, and I can confirm that Bob performed his normal show at the River Roost Lounge last night, as usual.

Good for him! I'd imagine that couldn't have been easy.

 

[smokeyblue]

But the knee jerk reaction to find every person accused guilty, and to label every accusation truthful terrifies me.

I have no doubt this lady thinks what she claims happens happened.
I have no doubt the #metoo movement is prompting her to come forward.
BUT,
I have no doubt asking people to write to the Disney company asking the guy be fired is wrong.
I have no doubt she contacted Disney (at some point) and lodged a complaint.

Because folks are skeptical about THIS claim doesn't mean they're skeptical about ALL claims. On the other hand, should we not have at least a LITTLE skepticism? Shouldn't we make sure the accusations make logical sense? IMO, THAT'S what's wrong here. Her claims don't pass the logic test...
1) It happened 6 years ago in 2013.
2) A friend has photographic "evidence" but the woman hasn't seen it.
3) Disney wrote her a check (without having her sign a NDA) that she tore up.
4) Disney so wronged her that she tore up the check, but she continues to promote and frequent the company and parks.
5) She is so traumatized by a butt grab that she loses sleep over it 4 years later.

1-Could have been a typo.
2-Perhaps this woman is a prior victim of abuse or has a touch sensitivity that heightened her distress.
3-The NDA was probably printed on the check and if endorsed would been enforceable. I could see Disney using this as a tactic to bury a complaint like this. Most people would probably just take the $500.
4-Disney is obviously a huge part of this woman's life. Disney is much more than Yehaa Bob and POR.
5-I've looked back at times where I've been treated very badly and didn't feel I had justice and feel that wound open again.

Do I think think Yehaa Bob touched her butt? Yes. Do I think there was intent behind it? Maybe. I find behavior like this very serious, and yes, I consider butt grabbing sexual battery or assault. The bad thing is, it is very hard to prove something like this, and it would be unlikely a law enforcement agency would even pursue something like this. The only other options would be a civil suit or dealing with the alleged perpetrator's employer. None of these options would likely work out in the favor of the alleged victim. It's understandable that she feels powerless, but at this point and time with so much time elapsing and the minor severity of the alleged contact I don't think it's appropriate to ask for the man to be fired and basically spearhead a campaign to see that it happens. I think the victory for this woman could be found in being a survivor of behavior she found sexually inappropriate instead of a victim so she can take back at least some if not all of the power she's felt she's lost in all of this. Beyond this, I don't see her getting any further justice.

 

[Mermaid02]

1-Could have been a typo.
2-Perhaps this woman is a prior victim of abuse or has a touch sensitivity that heightened her distress.
3-The NDA was probably printed on the check and if endorsed would been enforceable. I could see Disney using this as a tactic to bury a complaint like this. Most people would probably just take the $500.
4-Disney is obviously a huge part of this woman's life. Disney is much more than Yehaa Bob and POR.
5-I've looked back at times where I've been treated very badly and didn't feel I had justice and feel that wound open again.

Do I think think Yehaa Bob touched her butt? Yes. Do I think there was intent behind it? Maybe. I find behavior like this very serious, and yes, I consider butt grabbing sexual battery or assault. The bad thing is, it is very hard to prove something like this, and it would be unlikely a law enforcement agency would even pursue something like this. The only other options would be a civil suit or dealing with the alleged perpetrator's employer. None of these options would likely work out in the favor of the alleged victim. It's understandable that she feels powerless, but at this point and time with so much time elapsing and the minor severity of the alleged contact I don't think it's appropriate to ask for the man to be fired and basically spearhead a campaign to see that it happens. I think the victory for this woman could be found in being a survivor of behavior she found sexually inappropriate instead of a victim so she can take back at least some if not all of the power she's felt she's lost in all of this. Beyond this, I don't see her getting any further justice.

I'm confused... first you say a "butt grab" is sexual assault and then you call her claim minor. Sexual assault isn't a minor crime. Which is it?

 

[smokeyblue]

I'm confused... first you say a "butt grab" is sexual assault and then you call her claim minor. Sexual assault isn't a minor crime. Which is it?

I meant what I said on both accounts, they were statements made independent of each other. I stated that I find behavior like this serious, that I consider it sexual assault or battery; to further expand, the behavior would need to be intentional on the part of the perpetrator and unwelcome to the victim. When I say minor, I mean to the degree of inflicted injury to the victim and the surrounding circumstances. In my state everything is lumped into the category of criminal sexual conduct with degrees varying from 1-4, 1 being the worst.

 

[cabanafrau]

Yes, some of them have, but that doesn't mean all accusations are true. Automatically, declaring everyone guilty, because of a few, is indeed a witch hunt.

FWIW, I'm sure the people in Salem who were automatically convicting everyone that had been accused didn't think they were wrong either.

There's a difference between letting someone speak their piece and not jumping in to immediately declare them a liar. Doing so without making any comment about the allegations or the alleged perpetrator is far from a witch hunt. I have no idea who any of these people in this incident are -- but then again apparently so many with an opinion don't either as they can't decide what are the appropriate initials for one of them. Gives so much confidence in the vociferous opinions expressed for or against either party.

The kangaroo court of public opinion is what's dangerous, no matter what side the opinion is marching to support. So many who are coming forward in the #metoo flood aren't looking for $$, fame or any type of legal action -- and they're doing so despite still feeling shame for being victimized. But of course at this point the bored and the jaded have decided the issue is a little too long on the vine and anybody still coming forward is a fraud and they are automatically disavowing claims. The irony being that many sitting so superior and comfy from their lofty perches are liable to find the issue arriving very close to home at some point. I wonder, when it's someone you love will you be so ready to embrace the idea that they didn't disclose quickly enough or in the right way to be heard?

 

[Hikergirl]

There's a difference between letting someone speak their piece and not jumping in to immediately declare them a liar. Doing so without making any comment about the allegations or the alleged perpetrator is far from a witch hunt. I have no idea who any of these people in this incident are -- but then again apparently so many with an opinion don't either as they can't decide what are the appropriate initials for one of them. Gives so much confidence in the vociferous opinions expressed for or against either party.

The kangaroo court of public opinion is what's dangerous, no matter what side the opinion is marching to support. So many who are coming forward in the #metoo flood aren't looking for $$, fame or any type of legal action -- and they're doing so despite still feeling shame for being victimized. But of course at this point the bored and the jaded have decided the issue is a little too long on the vine and anybody still coming forward is a fraud and they are automatically disavowing claims. The irony being that many sitting so superior and comfy from their lofty perches are liable to find the issue arriving very close to home at some point. I wonder, when it's someone you love will you be so ready to embrace the idea that they didn't disclose quickly enough or in the right way to be heard?

This isn't about her speaking up, which she did do (to Disney) after it happened. She did not go to the police, even when Disney told her that was an option. 4 or 6 years ago she accepted the decision for Disney to not pursue it, and she accepted the decision for herself to not make it a legal issue.
This is about her now asking people to write in to Disney to get him fired, 4 or 6 years after this happened.
This is about her continuing to promote and support a company in those years she claims paid her off so they could keep a sexual assaulter in their employ.
This is about her claiming to have proof but not offering it to those people who she wants to help get this man fired.

She is not a victim, she is an opportunist. And for real victims, that does hit close to home.

 

[AliceAnn]

There's a difference between letting someone speak their piece and not jumping in to immediately declare them a liar. Doing so without making any comment about the allegations or the alleged perpetrator is far from a witch hunt. I have no idea who any of these people in this incident are -- but then again apparently so many with an opinion don't either as they can't decide what are the appropriate initials for one of them. Gives so much confidence in the vociferous opinions expressed for or against either party.

The kangaroo court of public opinion is what's dangerous, no matter what side the opinion is marching to support. So many who are coming forward in the #metoo flood aren't looking for $$, fame or any type of legal action -- and they're doing so despite still feeling shame for being victimized. But of course at this point the bored and the jaded have decided the issue is a little too long on the vine and anybody still coming forward is a fraud and they are automatically disavowing claims. The irony being that many sitting so superior and comfy from their lofty perches are liable to find the issue arriving very close to home at some point. I wonder, when it's someone you love will you be so ready to embrace the idea that they didn't disclose quickly enough or in the right way to be heard?

One person getting her initials wrong isn’t “they”. The accuser goes by first and last name and sometimes first and 2 last names. That 3rd name has rarely or ever been used in this thread.

 

[declansdad]

1-Could have been a typo.
2-Perhaps this woman is a prior victim of abuse or has a touch sensitivity that heightened her distress.
3-The NDA was probably printed on the check and if endorsed would been enforceable. I could see Disney using this as a tactic to bury a complaint like this. Most people would probably just take the $500.
4-Disney is obviously a huge part of this woman's life. Disney is much more than Yehaa Bob and POR.
5-I've looked back at times where I've been treated very badly and didn't feel I had justice and feel that wound open again.

Do I think think Yehaa Bob touched her butt? Yes. Do I think there was intent behind it? Maybe. I find behavior like this very serious, and yes, I consider butt grabbing sexual battery or assault. The bad thing is, it is very hard to prove something like this, and it would be unlikely a law enforcement agency would even pursue something like this. The only other options would be a civil suit or dealing with the alleged perpetrator's employer. None of these options would likely work out in the favor of the alleged victim. It's understandable that she feels powerless, but at this point and time with so much time elapsing and the minor severity of the alleged contact I don't think it's appropriate to ask for the man to be fired and basically spearhead a campaign to see that it happens. I think the victory for this woman could be found in being a survivor of behavior she found sexually inappropriate instead of a victim so she can take back at least some if not all of the power she's felt she's lost in all of this. Beyond this, I don't see her getting any further justice.

Why do you believe he did it?

Calling her a survivor based on this story is a bit of a stretch.

 

[AliceAnn]

This isn't about her speaking up, which she did do (to Disney) after it happened. She did not go to the police, even when Disney told her that was an option. 4 or 6 years ago she accepted the decision for Disney to not pursue it, and she accepted the decision for herself to not make it a legal issue.
This is about her now asking people to write in to Disney to get him fired, 4 or 6 years after this happened.
This is about her continuing to promote and support a company in those years she claims paid her off so they could keep a sexual assaulter in their employ.
This is about her claiming to have proof but not offering it to those people who she wants to help get this man fired.

She is not a victim, she is an opportunist. And for real victims, that does hit close to home.

Amen. So well said.

 

[DisneyHardin]

Calling her a survivor based on this story is a bit of a stretch.

I totally agree. To me a survivor is someone who went through something in which they could have died. I can't imagine anyone has died from a butt pinch.

 

[PlutoPony]

How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?

 

[mom2rtk]

How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?

To me, that varies with the severity of the offense.

 

[AliceAnn]

How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?

A previous poster gave some statute of limitations info. Perhaps around the 25th page. Check it out.

 

[smiths02]

How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?

I don't necessarily doubt that she thinks her butt was groped.

However, I think it also depends on the power differential in the situation and how afraid the victim might be of repercussions.
In this situation, personally, I would have reacted in the moment...moved away, said, "excuse me!" sarcastically, etc. Found a manager, etc. She did say she complained pretty soon after the incident to Disney. In this situation, I don't think that Bob had/has the power to victimize her anymore than he allegedly already did, so I don't know why she would be afraid to speak out for 4-6 years.

If it was a situation with a boss or someone who says they will hurt you or your kids or someone who can ruin your life/career, or the victim is a minor...then I understand waiting a long time.

 

[smokeyblue]

Why do you believe he did it?

Calling her a survivor based on this story is a bit of a stretch.

I believe he touched her and that she felt it crossed the line. Did he intend to? That I don't know. Would I go as far to call him a sexual predator given the information we have? No.

I don't mean survivor as in amazon woman warrior or a title of valor. I mean moving on with what she felt was an assault on her body so she can stop living as a victim.