Yee Haw Bob Sexual Harrassment

[JaxDad]

I totally agree. To me a survivor is someone who went through something in which they could have died. I can't imagine anyone has died from a butt pinch.

I'm sorry to inject a little levity in this serious thread, but this made me think of the Curb your Enthusiasm episode when Colby from the TV show Survivor was arguing with a Holocaust survivor about who had it worst.

 

[Hikergirl]

How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?

It isn't the time that makes her claim unbelievable.

 

[PlutoPony]

A previous poster gave some statute of limitations info. Perhaps around the 25th page. Check it out.

I'm not talking about this from a can charges be brought standpoint, but from a public opinion stance. Statue of limitations isn't helpful for that discussion. But people often say that the incident is too long ago for it to be believable, why didn't the woman come out with the charge earlier, etc. So I'm wondering what people generally think is the max time an incident needs to be put out in public for it to be believable. A year, couple years, 10 years,... what kind of time frame makes someone believable?

 

[jrmasm]

I don't necessarily doubt that she thinks her butt was groped.

However, I think it also depends on the power differential in the situation and how afraid the victim might be of repercussions.
In this situation, personally, I would have reacted in the moment...moved away, said, "excuse me!" sarcastically, etc. Found a manager, etc. She did say she complained pretty soon after the incident to Disney. In this situation, I don't think that Bob had/has the power to victimize her anymore than he allegedly already did, so I don't know why she would be afraid to speak out for 4-6 years.

If it was a situation with a boss or someone who says they will hurt you or your kids or someone who can ruin your life/career, or the victim is a minor...then I understand waiting a long time.

Also trauma can delay speaking up and age can be a factor. Children don't always understand what has happened to them until many years later. The possible whys for delay are endless quite frankly. Statute of limitations only limits the time that criminal action can be taken.

 

[PlutoPony]

It isn't the time that makes her claim unbelievable.

A couple have mentioned it in this thread
And I hear it OFTEN in other cases. It's certainly been mentioned in a couple of the situations that are currently in the public eye.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

1-Could have been a typo.

I doubt it.

She said (from the first post on this thread):
"This happened in 2013"
But in the same comment said: "...and it happened about 6 years ago"

I think this is just someone whose details on when it happened are a bit fuzzy. Her friend is the one that has the photo not her and she hasn't seen it yet. That photo should be time stamped (or at least all my photos on my phone contain the date and time in the details of the photo).

It's entirely possible she just doesn't quite remember exactly when it occurred but that sounds odd from someone who has actual proof of when it happened with a photo, presumably kept some sort of log of communication she had with Disney, and had a check sent to them.

Now I think conversationally we do this all the time and say "oh 6 years ago no wait it was 4 years ago...etc" but if I'm going to actually call someone out on social media and demand he lose his job I want to know my details are correct. Perhaps double checking with the friend on the date of the photo? IDK

The #metoo campaign is awesome, it's great, but the majority of women just wanted others to see how much more common this issue is. I don't know that the intent was to use it to seek personal justice on the individual who did it. Now I know some people have done that but I don't think that was the actual intent. From what I had heard it was about opening up the topic for discussion once it was seen just how many people have been affected by it. I also realize she said she was inspired by the movement so I suppose she's free to do what she's wants but still.

3-The NDA was probably printed on the check and if endorsed would been enforceable. I could see Disney using this as a tactic to bury a complaint like this. Most people would probably just take the $500.

Would an NDA fit on a check? I cannot imagine any company using a NDA on a check. I don't even know if that would be legally binding. I couldn't see Disney using that tactic because it seems unprofessional to me at least and a flimsy proof that there was an NDA.

I don't think most people would just take the $500. In a previous comment I mentioned that my issue was the amount. I think people would be more than willing to take $500 for their desired room to be unavailable for their usage, or issues with their park experience. But sexual assault?? That seems very unlikely especially given how shooken up the incident caused her to be. Maybe if the amount sent was $50,000 or something people's desire for the cash may be higher, but $500 for sexual assualt that caused so much anguish in your life?? I totally get why she didn't accept the check (though again I'm wondering about the amount) but I wouldn't have ripped it up. No way. That check stays intact and in good condition so that I can keep evidence of what my interaction has been with the employer of the person who assaulted me.

4-Disney is obviously a huge part of this woman's life. Disney is much more than Yehaa Bob and POR.

I think it's a very valid thought though on patronizing a company who you believed didn't take your situation seriously enough. I honestly cannot imagine how she must feel day in and day out to have to converse about the company that failed her. And I would say that him not being removed from his position back when it happened, Disney sending her $500 for her troubles I guess, etc would be failing her. I know we as humans can be tough no doubt but it doesn't mean that someone isn't going to wonder how the heck I'm able to hold up when I'm internally anguished and it's affecting my life but I'm talking about the very company that didn't take my plight seriously enough. I could understand her continuing to go on with her hobby if Disney had immediately terminated him, she would then feel that she was being backed for support by Disney. But in this case she feels that he is still employed when he shouldn't be but continues to speaking highly of Disney. This is causing people, at least here on the thread, to have questions.

5-I've looked back at times where I've been treated very badly and didn't feel I had justice and feel that wound open again.

Of course that happens in so many ways in our lives. But the difference is most people don't go to social media, call out their accuser, and then call for their immediate termination and bringing in the big guns so to speak by also calling out the contact information for the higher ups in the company.

The only other options would be a civil suit or dealing with the alleged perpetrator's employer.

Which is why I mentioned previously about speaking with an attorney. Right now she took matters into her own hands and without at least advising if she exhausted her efforts otherwise. Like I said social media is a powerful tool and it can be used for good and bad.

 

[declansdad]

I believe he touched her and that she felt it crossed the line. Did he intend to? That I don't know. Would I go as far to call him a sexual predator given the information we have? No.

I don't mean survivor as in amazon woman warrior or a title of valor. I mean moving on with what she felt was an assault on her body so she can stop living as a victim.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[Hikergirl]

A couple have mentioned it in this thread
And I hear it OFTEN in other cases. It's certainly been mentioned in a couple of the situations that are currently in the public eye.

In this case (for me) its that years ago she went to Disney with her complaint and they found no wrong doing. That is based on the proof that was provided plus interviews of witnesses. However they told her she could go to the police, and she chose not too.
Now years later she is asking for her readers (and those they share the story with) to get him fired on her behalf.
The time only matters because she already had moved past this and now all of a sudden the #metoo is bringing it all up again and she is losing sleep over it, still hasn't seen the photo because its too upsetting. We are talking about a butt squeeze (while she was sitting, so how much of the butt could have been squeezed unless she was sitting on his hand?). IMO that is not assault, nowhere near it.
It's her whole "story" that makes me doubt her, not the time it took her to go public with it.

ETA- In other cases, I do question why it took so long for some people to come out with their stories, but that doesn't mean I don't believe that they happened.
But that really depends on other factors as well, it doesn't apply to every and all situations or person.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Also trauma can delay speaking up and age can be a factor. Children don't always understand what has happened to them until many years later. The possible whys for delay are endless quite frankly. Statute of limitations only limits the time that criminal action can be taken.

We're not talking about children though TBH.

As far as trauma can be a delay in speaking up--we're also not talking about that TBH. She spoke up back when it happened. She advised the #metoo campaign inspired her not that she completely forgot about what happened and her trauma was delayed.

 

[jrmasm]

We're not talking about children though TBH.

As far as trauma can be a delay in speaking up--we're also not talking about that TBH. She spoke up back when it happened. She advised the #metoo campaign inspired her not that she completely forgot about what happened and her trauma was delayed.

A PP said "How long after an "event" do you have to go to the police or put it in the public domain in order to be believable?"

And the poster that I replied to replied that question. I simply offering possible reasons why people might wait to speak out. My comments were not about this case specifically.

 

[Mermaid02]

There is a statute of limitations on many crimes for a reason... memories fade.... and sometimes you hear a story often enough and you think you remember it, but you really don't... you have a false memory based on hearing it enough times. Her story just isn't believable and she is trying to ruin this man.

 

[JerseyJanice]

There's a difference between letting someone speak their piece and not jumping in to immediately declare them a liar. Doing so without making any comment about the allegations or the alleged perpetrator is far from a witch hunt. I have no idea who any of these people in this incident are -- but then again apparently so many with an opinion don't either as they can't decide what are the appropriate initials for one of them. Gives so much confidence in the vociferous opinions expressed for or against either party.

That was me who got the initials wrong. I have some vision problems and didn’t see that the name starts with “Mc” before a capital L. I did correct it in the last few posts I made. I didn’t post that something happened about 6 years ago in 2013.

It had occurred early on to me that someone hacked into MSM’s Facebook and MS’s Twitter accounts. They both seem like such credible people that I struggle to understand why they launched a campaign to get an entertainer fired from his job at Disney for something that happened long ago.

 

[sam_gordon]

But of course at this point the bored and the jaded have decided the issue is a little too long on the vine and anybody still coming forward is a fraud and they are automatically disavowing claims.

I've seen it a number of times in this thread. Why is it those who have doubts about THIS incident must automatically be disavowing ALL of the sexual assault/harassment claims?

 

[Sue M]

This isn't about her speaking up, which she did do (to Disney) after it happened. She did not go to the police, even when Disney told her that was an option. 4 or 6 years ago she accepted the decision for Disney to not pursue it, and she accepted the decision for herself to not make it a legal issue.
This is about her now asking people to write in to Disney to get him fired, 4 or 6 years after this happened.
This is about her continuing to promote and support a company in those years she claims paid her off so they could keep a sexual assaulter in their employ.
This is about her claiming to have proof but not offering it to those people who she wants to help get this man fired.

She is not a victim, she is an opportunist. And for real victims, that does hit close to home.

I think Bob is the real victim here.

 

[robinb]

FWIW, Bob performed at the River Roost last night. Disney continues to support and stand by him: 4-6 years ago, 2 weeks ago and now.

 

[sam_gordon]

1-Could have been a typo.

Very true. If it was me, once I realized I had a typo about this, I'd post a follow up "Oh, I meant 2011" (or 4 years ago). But since they're not willing to listen people question her (at least based on posts on this thread), she'll probably never correct that.

2-Perhaps this woman is a prior victim of abuse or has a touch sensitivity that heightened her distress.

Also true. But she's pointing to a butt grab as causing her sleepless nights. Shouldn't the real cause of the sleepless nights be the prior abuse?

3-The NDA was probably printed on the check and if endorsed would been enforceable. I could see Disney using this as a tactic to bury a complaint like this.

Totally disagree. I feel fairly confident an NDA would be a separate paper (or papers) and once those are signed, the check would be handed over. How small do you think the writing would be for a lawyer to fit everything on a check?

4-Disney is obviously a huge part of this woman's life. Disney is much more than Yehaa Bob and POR.

Someone so wronged you that you tore up the check, have sleepless nights, and never got the satisfaction that you wanted and you continue to promote them? Sorry, no. If you have principles, stand up for them. If you're that upset over the company's actions, boycott them. You don't go back to them because "it's a huge part of my life".

 

[Hikergirl]

I think Bob is the real victim here.

There is always the possibility that he has been doing this to women for years, and if that is true it will come out. He should face consequences and if there are more serious allegations of assault then he should face legal consequences as well.
However at this point it is one woman's word and she is using that to try to ruin his career. That makes him a victim of a witch hunt.

 

[cabanafrau]

I've seen it a number of times in this thread. Why is it those who have doubts about THIS incident must automatically be disavowing ALL of the sexual assault/harassment claims?

I'm referring to the march to label what's happening (in general terms) as the #metoo bandwagon. I know enough about how these things play out with law enforcement and within the legal arena to realize that the fearmongering going on about every man now being at risk of accusation is far beyond likelihood. Incidentally, women are perpetrators as well. The biggest danger still remains that the immediate, reflexive instinct is to dismiss and/or downplay any accusations. As far as the comment above about too much time passing and memories fading -- there are certain things victims will never forget, no matter how they try. It's completely normal for people to take a long time to be ready or strong enough to speak what happened to them. Often there are no legal remedies by that point. It's still healthy for someone to get the weight off their shoulders when they are able.

If you notice, I made no comments on this particular situation. I have no idea who these people are or what the circumstances are. I have no opinion what the actual situation may be in these circumstances.

 

[smokeyblue]

Very true. If it was me, once I realized I had a typo about this, I'd post a follow up "Oh, I meant 2011" (or 4 years ago). But since they're not willing to listen people question her (at least based on posts on this thread), she'll probably never correct that.

Also true. But she's pointing to a butt grab as causing her sleepless nights. Shouldn't the real cause of the sleepless nights be the prior abuse?

Totally disagree. I feel fairly confident an NDA would be a separate paper (or papers) and once those are signed, the check would be handed over. How small do you think the writing would be for a lawyer to fit everything on a check?

Someone so wronged you that you tore up the check, have sleepless nights, and never got the satisfaction that you wanted and you continue to promote them? Sorry, no. If you have principles, stand up for them. If you're that upset over the company's actions, boycott them. You don't go back to them because "it's a huge part of my life".

In regard to an NDA on a check, yes this is something that is done. Usually is printed on the back with the endorsement line.

 

[AliceAnn]

I'm not talking about this from a can charges be brought standpoint, but from a public opinion stance. Statue of limitations isn't helpful for that discussion. But people often say that the incident is too long ago for it to be believable, why didn't the woman come out with the charge earlier, etc. So I'm wondering what people generally think is the max time an incident needs to be put out in public for it to be believable. A year, couple years, 10 years,... what kind of time frame makes someone believable?

Hello??? “How long after an event do you have to go to the police”?? Why would you be asking that if not for a “can charges be brought standpoint”