Douglas Dubh
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Disney isn't going to open a park with 10 rides. It's going to open with 3, maybe 4.
Well, the last US park (DCA) opened with more than 20.
Disney isn't going to open a park with 10 rides. It's going to open with 3, maybe 4.
Well, the last US park (DCA) opened with more than 20.
I find it kind of interesting when this topic comes up that people really want a 5th Park. I get the desire for something new and exciting, but when you think of how MGM (at the time) and AK opened, what opened with them, how they were really half filled out parks at best and still remain less than full day parks for many people, a new Park is just asking for something that isn't going to live up to the promise.
Disney isn't going to open a park with 10 rides. It's going to open with 3, maybe 4. A few shows and a bunch of themed shops with a handful of not so good restaurants and maybe 1 or two that are good and unique. How attractive does that really sound for another $100+ ticket? Wouldn't you rather your current $100 ticket to DHS get another attraction or three? A better restaurant or two? Something actually fun in Launchbay?
As a consumer, aren't we all better off if they actually invest in EPCOT, DHS, and AK to the level of MK? Why push to buy another ticket? Another Park? For me, logically, I want Disney to finish what they have.
A 5th park? No thanks. Not right now. Maybe in 20 years. Investment in what they have? Yes please. Lots and lots of it to help with the crowding and the ballooning ticket costs. Well done recently on the investment Disney. Now keep it going at this level for the next 20 years. Maybe then EPCOT, DHS, and AK will be completely built out.
Then we can talk about a 5th Gate.
It’s not that it wasn’t enough it sucked...You’re forgetting some - Superstar Limo, Sun Wheel, and Jumping Jellyfish. But I should have said more than 10 rides and more than 20 attractions.
Of course people still complained it wasn’t enough.
I can't see them ever being willing to spend the money for an additional park. There's no need. They have proven that they can simply increase prices whenever they feel they need more revenue. I think you all know that they didn't just increase the ticket price this past October, they also increased the parking fee, added a parking fee at the resorts, increased the snack prices, and increased the Magic Band price. They make a tremendous profit from the timeshare units, and they are adding to them. In short, why spend megabucks to increase your profits when you can simply increase prices once or twice a year. And in my opinion, that will be true for a good many years going forward. I didn't notice lesser crowds when I was there last month.
When there a tons of theme park history pages on YouTube that devote an episode or multiple to superstar limo because of how absolutely atrocious it was, you know your park wasn’t in good shape from day 1It’s not that it wasn’t enough it sucked...
I’d rather see a resort in Texas than a fifth park in Florida.
Not trying to be whatever but this is honestly what I’m expecting out of fantastic worlds, the third gate at universal. A couple rides with 3 times as many gift shopsDisney isn't going to open a park with 10 rides
I’d rather see a resort in Texas than a fifth park in Florida.
I find it kind of interesting when this topic comes up that people really want a 5th Park. I get the desire for something new and exciting, but when you think of how MGM (at the time) and AK opened, what opened with them, how they were really half filled out parks at best and still remain less than full day parks for many people, a new Park is just asking for something that isn't going to live up to the promise.
Disney isn't going to open a park with 10 rides. It's going to open with 3, maybe 4. A few shows and a bunch of themed shops with a handful of not so good restaurants and maybe 1 or two that are good and unique. How attractive does that really sound for another $100+ ticket? Wouldn't you rather your current $100 ticket to DHS get another attraction or three? A better restaurant or two? Something actually fun in Launchbay?
As a consumer, aren't we all better off if they actually invest in EPCOT, DHS, and AK to the level of MK? Why push to buy another ticket? Another Park? For me, logically, I want Disney to finish what they have.
A 5th park? No thanks. Not right now. Maybe in 20 years. Investment in what they have? Yes please. Lots and lots of it to help with the crowding and the ballooning ticket costs. Well done recently on the investment Disney. Now keep it going at this level for the next 20 years. Maybe then EPCOT, DHS, and AK will be completely built out.
Then we can talk about a 5th Gate.
I would love to see a fifth gate because new is fun and it would be interesting to see Disney design something from scratch with the latest technology. We'll certainly get a taste of that with SWGE.
To your point I agree and don't agree at the same time. I think they should expand, update and repopulate the existing parks because the MK essentially sees double the crowds of the other parks. They need another park that demands that much attention whether that's an existing park or a new one. Right now I don't think Epcot has a chance at this, nor does AK. The addition of SWGE is going to make a dent in the next few years, but I don't think it has enough capacity and attractions to bring the park from 10-12M to 18-20M+.
DHS is going to need another SWGE type of land (Marvel Land if they actually hate the rights to it) to get that many people going to the park every day consistently over time. Many people hit up MK twice in a vacation, DHS is going to need more to get people to go twice.
That's why the "dream" of a fifth gate is always around. Disney truly does not have a second 2-day park like MK and I don't think you'll be able to get that out of AK and Epcot no matter what kind of additions you make.
As much as I agree and think a 5th park is necessary.....I'm pessimistic! Pandora was a 12 acre land addition with 2 attractions and that was over $500 million. A new 100+ acre park with a dozen attractions and a few restaurants would be $6-8 Billion...minimum. Thats quite a chuck for Disney to lay out! I think Toy Story and Star Wars lands are Disneys pre-emtive strike at Universals 3rd gate.I've been thinking about this for a while and considered many possible reasons for all the new resort construction . A 5th Park to me seems like the only likely reason for all this new construction . I know Star Wars Galaxies Edge is going to be hugely popular and the reason many will suggest as the primary reason for all this resort expansion ...but I don't believe that it will be popular to the extent that Disney feels they can fill all these new rooms year round because of it . I believe that because of the coming 3rd Park that Universal has planned (though not yet announced) Disney has been planning a multilevel multi-year expansion to combat Universal's aggressive attempts to capture more of Disney's market share . Updating , upgrading , renovating , and expanding all the existing parks at an unprecedented pace shows that Disney is taking Universal's growth as a real threat to their kingdom and will fight back any and all ways to maintain their supremacy in the theme park industry . Building new resorts and a 5th theme park as well seem like another way Disney can and probably will secure their number 1 status in Orlando for the foreseeable future .
The difference between Uni Disney is universal can increase their market share with another park, whereas Disney is going to eat more into their existing audience more than anything else. I just can’t see another Disney park happening in the next 20 years, unless American vacation time is drastically increasedMany good points made here but I still believe that we will see a 5th park open in WDW within the next 10 years . Until then they will complete projects in HS , EP , and perhaps an expansion at AK of Pandora (or perhaps a reimagined Dinoland area or Zootopia land created ) . Obviously Disney has no shortage of IP's to create attractions from or lands around . Universals continued expansion have necessitated Disney making unprecedented upgrades , expansions , and changes that probably wouldn't have happened without . Certainly not anywhere close to this scale .
If that was the case early stage prep work and rumors would be spreading. Theme parks take years and year to be built these days.Many good points made here but I still believe that we will see a 5th park open in WDW within the next 10 years . Until then they will complete projects in HS , EP , and perhaps an expansion at AK of Pandora (or perhaps a reimagined Dinoland area or Zootopia land created ) . Obviously Disney has no shortage of IP's to create attractions from or lands around . Universals continued expansion have necessitated Disney making unprecedented upgrades , expansions , and changes that probably wouldn't have happened without . Certainly not anywhere close to this scale .
I believe animal kingdom was in prep stages in the early 90s and opened in 98? Just trying to think of a recent exampleIf that was the case early stage prep work and rumors would be spreading. Theme parks take years and year to be built these days.