Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[Gentry2004]

If my summary is incorrect then you can just book an additional reservation that spans both split stays, make FPs when the window opens, and then cancel the additional reservation.

Agree. I also haven’t read of anyone with a leading reservation who lost their FP’s. It will be interesting to see as time passes.

 

[OSUZorba]

I think the issue was with recognizing leading reservations and to prevent they. I think they took the easy way out. But I guess this way they don’t need to distinguish between leading reservations and split stays.

Also I don’t want split stays to be hosed I like split stays. What I was suggesting is they may find it to hard to explain the logic of when and how Fastpasses would be cancelled so go the easiest explanation round.

As far as your loophole that really isn’t one if you are suggesting you just book one long stay at your first part of your split stay and book the other at another resort for the second half of the split. Essentially having two stays for the second half. That’s quite the cost and doesn’t actually burden the fastpass system. If anything you’ve unburdened by removing a room from inventory that won’t be adding more people looking for Fastpasses. So not really a loophole. This differs from the throwaway room in that you aren’t getting the rolling 60 day window but is similar in concept.

I meant there is a loophole to still get FPs for your full visit without paying for a reservation the whole time that can be done as a cheap throwaway. That gives just as good as the previous one-night throw away room.

But seriously the program is extremely straight forward to make split stays continuous. If someone had a leading reservation to extend the book window and then cancels that reservation, just cancel all FPs that were booked in the window opened by that extra time.

 

[PolyRob]

I wish Disney would allow you to somehow link two split-stays and recognize it as something people regularly do in its reservation system. It could also help avoid having 2 deposits, 2 cancellation windows, 2 MagicBand orders, a hate letter and call from DME that it has not received my departure info during my first resort stay, etc.

I have two additional split stays booked for the fall and winter (spring FP+ are all booked). I may have to change my plans and reservations because there is no hope of getting SWGE FP+ if I keep them in their current state.

 

[Gentry2004]

I meant there is a loophole to still get FPs for your full visit without paying for a reservation the whole time that can be done as a cheap throwaway. That gives just as good as the previous one-night throw away room.

But seriously the program is extremely straight forward to make split stays continuous. If someone had a leading reservation to extend the book window and then cancels that reservation, just cancel all FPs that were booked in the window opened by that extra time.

I meant there is a loophole to still get FPs for your full visit without paying for a reservation the whole time that can be done as a cheap throwaway. That gives just as good as the previous one-night throw away room.

But seriously the program is extremely straight forward to make split stays continuous. If someone had a leading reservation to extend the book window and then cancels that reservation, just cancel all FPs that were booked in the window opened by that extra time.

I don’t follow. Aren’t the loopholes all gone now other than overlapping/leading?

 

[OSUZorba]

I don’t follow. Aren’t the loopholes all gone now other than overlapping/leading?

No. I am not going to derail the thread, but I am sure there will be guides out talking about it no time because I doubt I'm the only one that has thought about it.

 

[DavidNYC]

No. I am not going to derail the thread, but I am sure there will be guides out talking about it no time because I doubt I'm the only one that has thought about it.

Well until it’s tested we won’t know what works. As of now all we know is that any FP made beyond 30 days MAY BE is subject to cancellation if you change or cancel the reservation in whole or in part. Some of those scenarios make sense - some seem illogical but that’s never stopped Disney before. Beyond that - it’s all speculation right now. Wether the system looks at days individually or reservations as a whole is a big question.

 

[crvetter]

I meant there is a loophole to still get FPs for your full visit without paying for a reservation the whole time that can be done as a cheap throwaway. That gives just as good as the previous one-night throw away room.

But seriously the program is extremely straight forward to make split stays continuous. If someone had a leading reservation to extend the book window and then cancels that reservation, just cancel all FPs that were booked in the window opened by that extra time.

I’m not entirely sure about how you could not pay considering you have to have a room explicitly to keep fastpass days made with the 60 day advantage. So no paid reservation they are cancellled. So yes you could book cheap rooms still but that is less of a loophole than throwaway rooms which were meant to get the rolling 60.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

A solution to the split stay issue would be to give the guest a choice when there are consecutive reservations:

A. Link the reservations for FP purposes. But, if the first reservation is
1. canceled, you lose all FP booked over the course of both stays
2. Shortened, you lose all FPs not covered by the new dates of the first reservation

FPs for dates after the first stay will only be cancelled if there is ever a period where there is no resort reservation
That covers that day.

B. Guest can choose not to link the reservations. FP booking windows open separately, but changing/canceling one reservation won’t effect FPs booked during the other stay.

 

[Gentry2004]

Well until it’s tested we won’t know what works. As of now all we know is that any FP made beyond 30 days MAY BE is subject to cancellation if you change or cancel the reservation in whole or in part. Some of those scenarios make sense - some seem illogical but that’s never stopped Disney before. Beyond that - it’s all speculation right now. Wether the system looks at days individually or reservations as a whole is a big question.

Yes, I would love for people with AP’s to test more of these situations. My AP is expired or I would. It’s harder with the new dated tickets to play around with it.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

A solution to the split stay issue would be to give the guest a choice when there are consecutive reservations:

A. Link the reservations for FP purposes. But, if the first reservation is
1. canceled, you lose all FP booked over the course of both stays
2. Shortened, you lose all FPs not covered by the new dates of the first reservation

FPs for dates after the first stay will only be cancelled if there is ever a period where there is no resort reservation
That covers that day.

B. Guest can choose not to link the reservations. FP booking windows open separately, but changing/canceling one reservation won’t effect FPs booked during the other stay.

Simple coding to accomplish the desired results:

1. Tag every FP with the check in date that opened the booking window used to make the FP

2. Daily checks that for each FP, there is a resort reservation in MDE for each night from the tagged check in date through the night before the FP date (to allow for check out day FPs). FPs that fail the check get flagged.

3. Flagged FP get checked again in 48 hours for compliance. If still no compliance, then FP is cancelled.

 

[crvetter]

Simple coding to accomplish the desired results:

1. Tag every FP with the check in date that opened the booking window used to make the FP

2. Daily checks that for each FP, there is a resort reservation in MDE for each night from the tagged check in date through the night before the FP date (to allow for check out day FPs). FPs that fail the check get flagged.

3. Flagged FP get checked again in 48 hours for compliance. If still no compliance, then FP is cancelled.

I would agree this is the simple check and proposed something earlier. I would prefer this because I do split stays, which seems to be the unintended victim here. Though even Disney “claims” that wasn’t supposed to be ever allowed. But if they don’t want split stays to have ever been allowed to be treated as continuous then I’m guessing they aren’t gonna fix it. They used ADR as an example how it should have always worked. But I think from an explanation stand point it be really difficult for a majority to understand when modifying reservations.

Though apparently some are claiming not all “loopholes” are closed, which I hope isn’t true. The ones I knew about are all closed with the current changes, except a throwaway stay (different from throwaway room). That is quite the expense to be dumped to do this though.

 

[Planogirl]

I might have missed this but how will this work when you book a split stay and then have to cancel the first part of it?

 

[cel_disney]

I might have missed this but how will this work when you book a split stay and then have to cancel the first part of it?

I’m not totally sure but it seems I will find out unless there is a grace period (60 days?) from when this policy goes into effect! I have a reservation for April 8-11 at ASSports and another from April 11-13 at AoA. I made all of my FP when the window opened for April 8th. I have an AP so these are Room only. (We are also DVC but no cheap DVC studio rooms were available for just 2 of us so we are booked cash)

My cousins will be at Disney from the 8-11th and we are still trying to find a way to shift our current flight plans to meet them.

If we cannot get to Disney before our April 11flight - we will cancel that room 4/8-4/11 reservation (cancelation is 5 days prior). I am okay if that cancels the FP for that stay as obviously we won’t be there - but I will be really unhappy if that cancels my FP for 4/11-4/12 that were made on the ‘booking window made eligible by the split stay’.

We are also DVC and do a lot or split stays - almost always do a one night value room when we arrive. We rent a car and move our own luggage and rarely stop at a front desk with the advent of online check in so we are not burdening the resort side by doing this. The upside for Disney is that they get us there and spending money earlier - but when I have to choose between the one night offsite and the one night onesite for our late night arrival, there is no reason to pick onsite if the FP window doesn’t open for the entire trip with it. We would be better off at BV Suites for lower cost and free breakfast and parking than staying on property for that night!

I will probably wait a week or so to call and figure out the implications but it seems a little premature - I expect some tweaks to be made before things are final.

 

[Runnsally]

Simple coding to accomplish the desired results:

1. Tag every FP with the check in date that opened the booking window used to make the FP

2. Daily checks that for each FP, there is a resort reservation in MDE for each night from the tagged check in date through the night before the FP date (to allow for check out day FPs). FPs that fail the check get flagged.

3. Flagged FP get checked again in 48 hours for compliance. If still no compliance, then FP is cancelled.

Great post. This is exactly what would need to happen to close all the major loopholes. However, nothing I’ve read indicates this is actually what is going to happen.

The creation of multiple FP booking windows for a contiguous split stay is a screwy idea if it happens, but should be overcome by an additional overlapping reservation.

 

[Runnsally]

I’m not entirely sure about how you could not pay considering you have to have a room explicitly to keep fastpass days made with the 60 day advantage.

Needing to have “a room” is very different than needing to keep the specific room that opened the initial FP booking window.

 

[guerns17]

It was mentioned before that the fastpasses/split stay cancellation situation won’t happen if you areva DVC member. I wonder if that applies to rented DVC reservations.

 

[DaveNan]

Well, I am DVC and AP holder so I tried to see if a split stay will automatically be seen as continuous and open up the duration.
1. Made a reservation SSR std studio 4/24-4/26 (60-62 days out)
2. Linked the reservation to MDE - could only book FP through 3/25
3. Checked into SSR - could select FP from today through 3/25 and 4/24 - 4/26
4. Made a reservation SSR pref studio 4/26-4/27
5. Linked the reservation to MDE and checked in - Can still only see through 3/25 and 2/24 - 4/26, not 4/27

Since I am right at the 60 day FP window, I did not book any FP's. I don't want to mess with someone's plans real planning process.
And both room types still have availability after I booked my rooms, so I am currently not impacting anyone's ability to book a room.

So the reservations did not automatically link for DVC either. Since Member Services (MS) is not open yet, I have not called them. I may call them later today after the 9am rush, but I will definitely call MS on 3/6 when my 60 day window opens on a real split stay.

 

[Spaceguy55]

Well, I am DVC and AP holder so I tried to see if a split stay will automatically be seen as continuous and open up the duration.
1. Made a reservation SSR std studio 4/24-4/26 (60-62 days out)
2. Linked the reservation to MDE - could only book FP through 3/25
3. Checked into SSR - could select FP from today through 3/25 and 4/24 - 4/26
4. Made a reservation SSR pref studio 4/26-4/27
5. Linked the reservation to MDE and checked in - Can still only see through 3/25 and 2/24 - 4/26, not 4/27

Since I am right at the 60 day FP window, I did not book any FP's. I don't want to mess with someone's plans real planning process.
And both room types still have availability after I booked my rooms, so I am currently not impacting anyone's ability to book a room.

So the reservations did not automatically link for DVC either. Since Member Services (MS) is not open yet, I have not called them. I may call them later today after the 9am rush, but I will definitely call MS on 3/6 when my 60 day window opens on a real split stay.

You bookings are exactly how it will work..you won't be able to book your 2nd stay till the 60 day mark.
The new policy is for those that book a "leading or throwaway" room 1-7 days or more out to gain the advantage of getting the hard to get FP's such as FOP and the new SWGE rides.
As long as your not doing that your fine, you will just have a hard time getting the hard to get FP's.

 

[DaveNan]

Well, I am DVC and AP holder so I tried to see if a split stay will automatically be seen as continuous and open up the duration.
1. Made a reservation SSR std studio 4/24-4/26 (60-62 days out)
2. Linked the reservation to MDE - could only book FP through 3/25
3. Checked into SSR - could select FP from today through 3/25 and 4/24 - 4/26
4. Made a reservation SSR pref studio 4/26-4/27
5. Linked the reservation to MDE and checked in - Can still only see through 3/25 and 2/24 - 4/26, not 4/27

Since I am right at the 60 day FP window, I did not book any FP's. I don't want to mess with someone's plans real planning process.
And both room types still have availability after I booked my rooms, so I am currently not impacting anyone's ability to book a room.

So the reservations did not automatically link for DVC either. Since Member Services (MS) is not open yet, I have not called them. I may call them later today after the 9am rush, but I will definitely call MS on 3/6 when my 60 day window opens on a real split stay.

And BTW - No SDD available for 4/24 through 4/26.

 

[Runnsally]

You bookings are exactly how it will work..you won't be able to book your 2nd stay till the 60 day mark.
The new policy is for those that book a "leading or throwaway" room 1-7 days or more out to gain the advantage of getting the hard to get FP's such as FOP and the new SWGE rides.
As long as your not doing that your fine, you will just have a hard time getting the hard to get FP's.

I don’t think we know what will happen with leading reservations. From my read, the new policy is primarily targeted toward individuals who use an onsite reservation to open a FP window, but then cancel the reservation and stay offsite.