Wait Staff Disappointment

There is NO need to mention TiW when placing an order; I learned from these boards!

We always do simply because if they bring the bill and then you mention TiW, they have to take it back and re-run it. We prefer to mention it at the beginning so that they'll come and get that before running it. I've never had bad service because we mentioned TiW, so I don't have any problems in saying so. We just find it's more efficient.
 
We always do simply because if they bring the bill and then you mention TiW, they have to take it back and re-run it. We prefer to mention it at the beginning so that they'll come and get that before running it. I've never had bad service because we mentioned TiW, so I don't have any problems in saying so. We just find it's more efficient.
It's funny you should say that, because that's what we used to do until multiple servers told us something like "we'll handle that at the end." We still had to remind them about the discount at the end of the meal so we were mentioning it twice. The way that works best for us is to just give them the card at the point where they ask us if we want a dessert menu or if there is anything else they can bring us. That way they don't have to remember to ask for the card (it seems they never did) and there's no need to run the check twice.
 
It's funny you should say that, because that's what we used to do until multiple servers told us something like "we'll handle that at the end." We still had to remind them about the discount at the end of the meal so we were mentioning it twice.

I guess it's inconsistent as, while we've always been told that it would be handled at the end, they've always come before running the bill and asked us for the card. It would be nice if all of the restaurants operated the same way and trained everyone the same way, but I also realize that some of the restaurants are not run by Disney even if they offer TiW discounts so their systems aren't identical. I don't mind mentioning it twice, I just don't like having to have the bill run twice - so inefficient (for both of us). I will keep in mind perhaps in future making sure to remind them about TiW when they ask if we want anything else in case they don't ask (actually, making sure DH does since he forgets to ask about AP discounts in the stores half the time and he has the TiW card).
 
It's funny you should say that, because that's what we used to do until multiple servers told us something like "we'll handle that at the end." We still had to remind them about the discount at the end of the meal so we were mentioning it twice. The way that works best for us is to just give them the card at the point where they ask us if we want a dessert menu or if there is anything else they can bring us. That way they don't have to remember to ask for the card (it seems they never did) and there's no need to run the check twice.
This is what I've found. But when with SIL she must think like the previous poster because she always has to mention it at beginning (even after I suggested we might not get as attentive service since the tip is automatic)...she still kept telling them at beginning. This was trip last month and I actually never noticed bad service that trip, even with SIL telling them up front about TIW. We had great service that trip. But past trips we've had some doosies, service wise (several times at Ohana dinners and Boma breakfasts and Cape May dinners...they are the frequent culprits).
 


Maybe they just put the, um, less than stellar servers at places like Cape May and Boma because they figure less serving needed (just bring drinks and clear dirty dishes as opposed to menu ordering venues).
 
So sorry that you did not have a better time we have gone on 5 previous trips and the vast majority have been a great experience, The few that have not, well I am a retired Marine. I will cheerfully stand up in front of the waiter/waitress and dress them down as if they are not very bright 18 year old Privates. Haven't had to do it twice in a meal.
 


Well, let's see...

we went to Boma for breakfast on Saturday,
  1. October 26. It took our waitress 15 minutes to even come to the table.
  2. She barely took 30 seconds to welcome us in or explain the buffet options and lay out to us before she was gone again.
  3. It took us another several minutes to get our drinks and refills were not even an option.
My experience is that resort buffet breakfasts are madhouses. My experience with Boma closely mirrors yours on both of the occasions we have eaten there. I will say that our waitress really did seem to be doing her best but she was stretched thin. I do have some sympathy for waitresses at these buffets. They are not paid more than at other venues but get practically nothing in tips. For a typical table, these waitresses do (or at least should do) nearly the same legwork as a waitress in traditional restaurant. Nobody's signing up for extra shifts in Buffet land so it's easier to end up with service shortages.

For drink refills, just walk up to where the soda fountain is and ask. If nothing else it will let them know there's a problem

Paddlefish.
  1. The restaurant was not busy, we were seated in an upstairs room and we were only the second table to be filled in that space.
  2. Our waiter came immediately to get our drink order but then disappeared for 20 minutes.
  3. We had to call the manager over twice during our meal because of issues with the waiter. My husband needed extra butter to go with his crab legs and the waiter was no where to be found
  4. then it took the waiter 20 minutes to bring us our $70 change.
I know exactly where you were. I've only dined at Paddlefish once and service was excellent. Fultons was a regular stop for my family and the service there was good, with only one notable exception. In any case, Paddlefish is a 'signature' dining experience and I would not have tolerated service like you describe. I'm generally very easy going in this regard but when a restaurant calls themselves signature I expect signature service. The second time you spoke with the manager you should have requested a new waiter. I would not have tipped above 10% for service like this.

At the Grand Floridian Cafe, the waitress forgot to put in our salad orders so we got our food without our salads. We ended up just cancelling the salad order because we had enough food.
Oof ... I'm inclined to chalk this up to a simple mistake riding the coattails of your string of bad luck. If it were something more substantial, like an appetizer, I would give the issue more weight. It always seems like putting in the order is a simple thing for the waitress. At your average cafe, it is. But these places have multiple cook lines and stations for salad, soup, and dessert. When things work perfectly divvying up an order to the proper lines is automatic, but often something hitches out and the staff are told to walk orders to stations or another person takes the orders by hand and organizes them in the kitchen till things settle back into routine.

Long story, short... Service like this has been rare for me. It happens, but not so much in a single trip that it makes me question WDW dining as a whole.

Whenever it does happen, always voice your concern to the manager earlier rather than later. It's awkward to ask a waiter to send the manager, actually I will usually just walk down to the host station and make the request. But putting your concern into words early will give the restaurant time to make it right.
 
I have a theory that if you tell them you have TIW at beginning they will be less attentive since they know they get the automatic 18% tip no matter what. I now wait to tell them at end.
I wondered about this to TIW. I mean, not that I think about getting bad service and tipping for it anyway that often, but... this 18% is still added to the gratuity line on your bill right?

Say you have a party size that triggers an automatic gratuity (say 18%) and your service is horrible. You can still write down the gratuity. There have been two such cases that went to court and both sided with the diners.
 
I, personally, don't believe you get bad service because you mention TIW upfront and early. If anything, in my opinion, you are more likely to get superior service by mentioning it upfront since the waitstaff now knows they are at least getting the standard and accepted tip no matter what. Are you aware that they do say that on average, many diners not only leave poor tips but leave exceptionally poor tips at Walt Disney World? That's what I have always heard anyway and it has been mentioned on these boards as well. It could partly be because of all the international visitors to Disney who simply do not tip in their culture, and it could also be for other reasons, who knows.

So, anyway, waitstaff knowing in advance they aren't going to get stiffed or a meager tip, to me, makes it more likely you will get better service, though certainly not a guarantee, and either way, you are still vulnerable to chance and bad luck just as we all are and on any given day, you can have less than subpar service anywhere and I sincerely doubt it is because of mentioning a discount program you are part of when there are other so many more likely and obvious reasons it can happen.
 
So sorry that you did not have a better time we have gone on 5 previous trips and the vast majority have been a great experience, The few that have not, well I am a retired Marine. I will cheerfully stand up in front of the waiter/waitress and dress them down as if they are not very bright 18 year old Privates. Haven't had to do it twice in a meal.
I have never seen any reason to ever behave like that in a restaurant. You may think you are making the server feel bad, but you look equally bad, if not worse. And I'm sure it makes your family proud. Having family in the military, they would never behave like that. That is not their training.
 
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I’m going to look at it differently

You ate out 3(?) meals per day for 10 days, so 30ish times. And had 2 less than stellar experiences. That’s awesome!

On a more serious note, I’m sorry. Boma is my favorite buffet bar none. This should have been a slam dunk. I’m sorry it wasn’t.
I highly doubt they ate 3 TS a day for 10 days...let's not over-exaggerate just to make the OP feel their feelings/complaints are unjustified.
 
Well, let's see...


My experience is that resort buffet breakfasts are madhouses. My experience with Boma closely mirrors yours on both of the occasions we have eaten there. I will say that our waitress really did seem to be doing her best but she was stretched thin. I do have some sympathy for waitresses at these buffets. They are not paid more than at other venues but get practically nothing in tips. For a typical table, these waitresses do (or at least should do) nearly the same legwork as a waitress in traditional restaurant. Nobody's signing up for extra shifts in Buffet land so it's easier to end up with service shortages.

For drink refills, just walk up to where the soda fountain is and ask. If nothing else it will let them know there's a problem


I know exactly where you were. I've only dined at Paddlefish once and service was excellent. Fultons was a regular stop for my family and the service there was good, with only one notable exception. In any case, Paddlefish is a 'signature' dining experience and I would not have tolerated service like you describe. I'm generally very easy going in this regard but when a restaurant calls themselves signature I expect signature service. The second time you spoke with the manager you should have requested a new waiter. I would not have tipped above 10% for service like this.


Oof ... I'm inclined to chalk this up to a simple mistake riding the coattails of your string of bad luck. If it were something more substantial, like an appetizer, I would give the issue more weight. It always seems like putting in the order is a simple thing for the waitress. At your average cafe, it is. But these places have multiple cook lines and stations for salad, soup, and dessert. When things work perfectly divvying up an order to the proper lines is automatic, but often something hitches out and the staff are told to walk orders to stations or another person takes the orders by hand and organizes them in the kitchen till things settle back into routine.

Long story, short... Service like this has been rare for me. It happens, but not so much in a single trip that it makes me question WDW dining as a whole.

Whenever it does happen, always voice your concern to the manager earlier rather than later. It's awkward to ask a waiter to send the manager, actually I will usually just walk down to the host station and make the request. But putting your concern into words early will give the restaurant time to make it right.
While at a regular local buffet type place I'm sure this is true; I don't believe it to be true at Disney. First ant table over 6 have the gratuity automatically added and with the insane prices that gratuity adds up quick. Also, ppl. are on vacation mode and are more inclined to tip better than your run of the mill local establishment.
 
While at a regular local buffet type place I'm sure this is true; I don't believe it to be true at Disney. First ant table over 6 have the gratuity automatically added and with the insane prices that gratuity adds up quick. Also, ppl. are on vacation mode and are more inclined to tip better than your run of the mill local establishment.
My TIW card adds 18% tip even at AYCE/buffets. Also they turn over tables quicker so I think they're getting more. They probably get a larger section than a menu restaurant too.

At any rate....in regards to another poster who seems to think servers would work harder if automatic tip. That makes no sense. To me they are getting a solid 18% so no need to really bust butt. There is no incentive...for an additional few bucks someone might add on?!?!?! It's very difficult to have automatic tip removed though (I have seen posts here on MO where folks have tried).

We go to Ohana dinner often. It was once a must do every trip. But then we started getting TIW and noticed we were almost ignored. We would not get drink refills or extra peanut sauce that I'd ask for 3 times or refills of food. It would take them forever and a day to bring our bill and then another lifetime to take our payment. So after several of these visits, we stopped going. Then I read on the Dis the idea that telling servers about TIW up front might prompt inattentive service. So we booked Ohana again and didn't tell them about TIW up front. And, what do you know, great service. ANd have been about 5 times since all with good service. (but even since not mentioning TIW up front we have had some inattentive service at 1900 Park Fare, Cape May and GF Cafe, Boma breakfast...are ones I remember).
 
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Last trip we did 6 table service meals and only 1 was amazing and it was garden grill. The most standout bad job was Tusker house where our waiter was legit angry the whole time. Not at our table but it sure rolled over in his attitude at us. When ordering drinks he just got snoody . To this day we use him as our go to "atleast it's not that guy at Tusker house " when we see mad ppl.
 
I highly doubt they ate 3 TS a day for 10 days...let's not over-exaggerate just to make the OP feel their feelings/complaints are unjustified.

Haha I do that every single one of my solo vacations! All sit-down meals, too, and am on the deluxe dining plan each time and even order extra appetizers and drinks and utilize my 2 snack options as well with yummy things throughout, so it is possible! I make the most of my vacation!
 
Haha I do that every single one of my solo vacations! All sit-down meals, too, and am on the deluxe dining plan each time and even order extra appetizers and drinks and utilize my 2 snack options as well with yummy things throughout, so it is possible! I make the most of my vacation!
Wow, you go on solo trips for 10 days? Honestly, that kinda sounds awesome :) It sounds like for you the food/restaurants are your main focus with parks etc. kinda just as an aside? Sounds fun to me, but I can't imagine I'd ever get my family on-board and definitely not for 10 days, but it sounds like fun.
 
Wow, you go on solo trips for 10 days? Honestly, that kinda sounds awesome :) It sounds like for you the food/restaurants are your main focus with parks etc. kinda just as an aside? Sounds fun to me, but I can't imagine I'd ever get my family on-board and definitely not for 10 days, but it sounds like fun.

Well, my first few Disney trips were big family affairs and quite different. But my last 7 have been solo trips and ranged from 10-14 days and I plan everything around my dining. But I get out early for breakfast at around 8-9 on most days, and of course utilize fast pass to do my favorite attractions and am there long enough that I can incorporate all my favorite attractions even multiple times along with the dining excitement. I have long meals, but it's a long day after all, from early morning to late at night, so I have plenty of time to do everything I want to do. And of course, having been going to Disney for some 15 years almost every year or so, I now only do the attractions I really love, so I skip the stuff I am not interested in, and even in some cases the parks I am not as interested in.

I definitely always have a blast. I have eaten in so many restaurants and done just about all of the character meals multiple times as well.
 
The few that have not, well I am a retired Marine. I will cheerfully stand up in front of the waiter/waitress and dress them down as if they are not very bright 18 year old Privates.
Please stop. Unless a server deliberately holds a plate directly over the diner's head and dumps it, it is NOT the guest's place to publicly humiliate that server (even if the only witnesses to such behavior at members of one's own party.

Restaurants have managers.
Say you have a party size that triggers an automatic gratuity (say 18%) and your service is horrible. You can still write down the gratuity.
Not randomly. As with my above response, this is the manager's responsibility.
It would take them forever and a day to bring our bill and then another lifetime to take our payment.
Ah. So you're still sitting there waiting for your bill, from your first visit? ;)
 

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