Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Pea-n-Me]

People are free to have whatever old, new, conservative, progressive, mainstream, alternative, etc. beliefs they want. They are also free to practice, or let go of, whatever traditions they want. The problem is when they expect others should be forced to do things a certain way whether that other person wants to or not. Joe Public loves watching the pageantry and traditions of the Royal Family? Cool. He can do that to his heart’s content. Where he crosses a line is in expecting Harry needs to live his life according to royal traditions just because that’s what Joe Public wants to see.

William, of course, should also be free to make his own choices. He seems happy to partake in the monarchy so I really don’t get what all the fuss is about — the Royal Watchers still have someone to watch.

I don't think he was saying Harry HAS to be a certain way. He was expressing his surprise and disappointment that he had changed from the beloved, happy-go-lucky, devoted person he'd known and photographed since he was a baby.

 

[anitatedesco]

i think its a great thing!! i would never be able to be in the spotlight like that, and especially after the way his mother died, good for them!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Sorry, yes I totally misspoke about Meghans age.
Even goes further to make my point when I am corrected!

And,
“He used to be so sweet and we always did everything together. And then SHE came along. Now he spends all his time with her and I’m lucky to get one phone call a week. They had the audacity to spend Christmas with HER family this year even though they’ve always spent it here with me in the past. They don’t listen to my outdated parenting advice and can you believe I wasn’t even invited to be in the delivery room when that baby was born? He’s my baby too! He’s making his own career decisions without my input and now they’re talking about moving! I know this is all because of her. My precious widdle baby boy would never choose to hurt his dear old mom this way. He’s just changed so much since she came along — he’s nothing like he was when he was 8 years old anymore. Wahhhhh!”

Ohhhh, I love this one!!!!!
BTDT

Sorry, this just cracked me up!

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't think he was saying Harry HAS to be a certain way. He was expressing his surprise and disappointment that he had changed from the beloved, happy-go-lucky, devoted person he'd known and photographed since he was a baby.

There have been comments attributed to his father and close friends regarding their concern for Harry's mental health. Marriage, new baby, quitting his job, ditching his family and moving out of the country...that's a lot in just over a year.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Pea-n-me, Can you fill me in on what exactly is so funny???

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Change is good. People are supposed to change.

 

[Wishing on a star]

There have been comments attributed to his father and close friends regarding their concern for Harry's mental health. Marriage, new baby, quitting his job, ditching his family and moving out of the country...that's a lot in just over a year.

Yes! I would just like to mention that all of the above are Harry's personal decisions, not specific and immediate dictates of being a member of the royal family.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Change is good. People are supposed to change.

Sometimes., but not always. Is this it or is something more drastic in the cards?

 

[cabanafrau]

It was certainly their right to do it their way. And they did. But millions of adoring fans were waiting to hear and rejoice in the birth of their child. They weren't expecting such a deviation from tradition, and they felt disappointed. They'd been there from the beginning with seeming support from H&M. They were perplexed about why they did things so non-traditionally when much up to that point had been traditional. It wasn't just that there wasn't a picture taken on the step outside the hospital with the newborn baby for the public to get a glimpse of him. It was the deception about a lot of things related to the baby and the birth, along with the $500,000 baby shower thrown by A list celebrities in NYC that caused some head scratching, and later, distrust.

To be fair that really wasn't such a longstanding tradition of appearing with the babies on the hospital steps. I believe the first was Diana with William. I'm sure people who follow this stuff and have better memories than I do will know, but I'm not sure how many others in the family have participated in that "tradition".

I found the shower weird first because of Megan traveling to New York, someplace that she didn't seem particularly connected to, and because it seemed to involve so many major celebrity types that I don't really think she had longstanding relationships with. Recognizing that baby showers aren't traditionally British and that maybe it's not particularly accepted that someone in the Royal Family would have one, I can give it a pass that friends wanted to celebrate the happy news. If it had been said to involve people from the show that she was on and people from other projects that she'd been in, along with old friends from throughout different points in her life that would have made more sense to me. I think I remember hearing George Clooney's wife and Oprah, etc. and thought that was strange. Sure, she should be free to do as she pleases without even half a thought as to whether some nobody like me thinks it's strange, but I still find that odd in kind of an uncomfortable way. I do realize that a gift from Oprah would probably be much more impressive, but I would be so uncomfortable if I really didn't have a personal relationship with her.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes! I would just like to mention that all of the above are Harry's personal decisions, not specific and immediate dictates of being a member of the royal family.

True but all are stressful situations. I think many parents and close friends might have concerns especially if there appears to be a few cracks. Nothing wrong with being concerned.

These are reasons reported for treating Harry with kid gloves and supporting him without question (even with his very poor handling of the situations). It is said that those close to him are concerned for his mental health.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Pea-n-me, Can you fill me in on what exactly is so funny???

I’ll take my beatings, it just struck me as funny

 

[TLSnell1981]

To be fair that really wasn't such a longstanding tradition of appearing with the babies on the hospital steps. I believe the first was Diana with William. I'm sure people who follow this stuff and have better memories than I do will know, but I'm not sure how many others in the family have participated in that "tradition".

This is likely the reason is was so important to some. It was what Princess Diana did with her boys and Catherine followed the tradition in her honor. It was seen to be sort of a snub to Harry’s mum.

 

[cabanafrau]

This is likely the reason is was so important to some. It was what Princess Diana did with her boys and Catherine followed the tradition in her honor. It was seen to be sort of a snub to Harry’s mum.

I don't buy that Harry in any way was or would attempt to snub his mum. For that matter I don't think William would have twisted a very reluctant and opposed Kate's arm to make the appearance simply to honor his mum either.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Did Diana even WANT to do that or was it forced on her?

 

[NotUrsula]

And what was this "constitutional crisis"? Elizabeth's uncle wanted to marry someone "unsuitable." He was denied permission and so he quit. The long established lines of succession for such a situation were followed.

Today, as then, it appears the press and many people are makings things to be much more serious than they really are.

Eh ... no. Not at all that simple. It *was* a Constitutional crisis, one that struck at the heart of the entire foundation of the structure of government there. We actually cannot discuss the reasons why in this forum, because the reasons require a pretty detailed discussion of both religious AND political issues that were at stake at the time. However, I will say this much: the crux of the matter was not that Wallis Simpson was merely "unsuitable", but that she was "ineligible", because in legal terms, the marriage would have been bigamous under UK law in place at that time.

PS: An interesting irony, given the way things have turned out, is that one of Harry's given names is David, which was Edward VIII's birth name as well; he was known as David within the family.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't buy that Harry in any way was or would attempt to snub his mum. For that matter I don't think William would have twisted a very reluctant and opposed Kate's arm to make the appearance simply to honor his mum either.

I doubt William twisted Kate's arm. He is the future King of England and his wife will be Queen. She appears to respect the Royal family and their traditions.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Looks like the tradition started in 1977 with Princess Anne.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.he...iana-royal-baby-hospital-photos/1/?viewas=amp
Traditionally future monarchs were born at home. Prince William was the first to be born in a hospital. It sounds like Diana was a bit of a trailblazer there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.to...y/tradition/gmp19724335/royal-births-history/
Idk if she was forced to do pictures - somehow I doubt it - but she was smiling and looks happy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people...giving-birth-prince-harry-prince-william/amp/

 

[okeydokey]

Incredible thread. I can see some frothing at the mouth hoping the couple implodes and divorce. I bet that the “ I told you so” will feel mighty good to you. Dig in your heels and enjoy it if you want.

 

[tcufrog]

And what was this "constitutional crisis"? Elizabeth's uncle wanted to marry someone "unsuitable." He was denied permission and so he quit. The long established lines of succession for such a situation were followed.

Today, as then, it appears the press and many people are makings things to be much more serious than they really are.

It was for the best given his and Wallis's cozy relationship with Nazis.

 

[fla4fun]

Incredible thread. I can see some frothing at the mouth hoping the couple implodes and divorce. I bet that the “ I told you so” will feel mighty good to you. Dig in your heels and enjoy it if you want.

It’s sad when people are actually rooting for a couple to get divorced, regardless of who they are. I am hoping H&M can live the life they want and find a way to remain close to family in the process.