Is anyone else worried about opening up again

[Hikergirl]

We can develop better treatment protocols.

Take the ventilator issue. We've learned that a patient's low oxygen levels does not mean that a patient needs to be intubated, and outcomes improve if we do other things, like placing patients on their stomach to open airways and the use of less invasive, less damaging ways to deliver more oxygen to patients.

We can fix supply chain issues. Not just PPE. We are also learning that the heart, kidneys, other parts of the body are affected by this is not just respiratory. So we need more dialysis machines, I'm assuming more diagnostic equipment for heart and vascular complications, and who knows what else.

We can let the studies regarding which medications are helpful progress.

If your high-risk loved one is going to get sick anyway, wouldn't you rather the doctors have more tools at their disposal so that the odds of your loved one recovering is higher? That the long-term medical issues that might come with this can be mitigated, so people who do recover will enjoy higher quality of life going forward?

Or do you think doctors would learn nothing helpful if given 6 more months to prepare for a second wave?

Are you saying we should keep things as is for another 6 more months?

 

[cabanafrau]

My cousin is a nurse at a major hospital in MI and she says it's never been slower. They are laying off people at another major hospital in MI.

When the vaccine comes out, it will still not be 100% effective, none of them are.

And other hospitals in Michigan are simply stacking up bodies wherever they can make room because their morgues are full, funeral homes are full, etc.

Beaumont Hospital system is laying off workers who do not provide patient care because their revenue is severely down because of all the high cost elective procedures that have been postponed.

I have a friend in nursing who says things are generally slower where she is, but she has friends and family who are doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists who are at their limits of what they can handle. My friend could choose to view it strictly through what she's seeing, but she's smart enough to understand her viewpoint is only one perspective and it looks very different not very far away.

 

[Farro]

I don't know how I feel. I still side with slow openings, but should be based on what's happening in each area.

A lot of hospitals in Chicago are now instituting pay-cuts and furloughs. Lurie Children's has laid off 20% of staff!!!!
It's all due to cancellation of elective surgeries and outpatient visits. Most hospitals never saw the surge that was predicted. That's good news in terms of Covid, but bad news in terms of jobs.

 

[amylevan]

Or do you think doctors would learn nothing helpful if given 6 more months to prepare for a second wave?

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

 

[Jrb1979]

Are you saying we should keep things as is for another 6 more months?

I don't think anyone is saying that. Most are saying to take it slow to reopen the country.

 

[RamblingMad]

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

My state shutdown the end of last month. We’ve only been locked down for 20 days. I think we can handle 45 days.

 

[amylevan]

My state shutdown the end of last month. We’ve only been locked down for 20 days. I think we can handle 45 days.

6 more MONTHS is not 45 days. It is 180 days. Big difference.

 

[mefordis]

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

I think people think the government checks will keep coming.

 

[Farro]

Do all you who object to any slow reopening really think hospitals are going to be able to stay in business to "prepare for the next wave"? The healthcare workers you are talking about will be even more stressed when staff is laid off.

They need to make money!!! And the money comes from the elective surgeries and outpatient visits. Not inpatient stays.

Hospitals can't operate like this for 6 more months.

 

[cabanafrau]

And other hospitals in Michigan are simply stacking up bodies wherever they can make room because their morgues are full, funeral homes are full, etc.

Beaumont Hospital system is laying off workers who do not provide patient care because their revenue is severely down because of all the high cost elective procedures that have been postponed.

I have a friend in nursing who says things are generally slower where she is, but she has friends and family who are doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists who are at their limits of what they can handle. My friend could choose to view it strictly through what she's seeing, but she's smart enough to understand her viewpoint is only one perspective and it looks very different not very far away.

Not understanding what would prompt anybody to respond with a laughing haha comment to what I wrote here, but I guess it takes all kinds.

 

[spiders]

I am not worried. However, I will also admit that I will not be going out to eat on Monday when Georgia re-opens. I am perfectly fine waiting to see what happens to those who choose to go out. I will also add that my county has 120,000 people. We've had 8 deaths. Of the 8 that died, the average age was 76 and 7/8 had underlying conditions with the 8th being listed as unknown. The average life expectancy in the county is 81. If I were over the age of 70 and/or had underlying conditions then I would use additional caution.

We had a family in the subdivision. 3 young kids, one with special needs. Their father unexpectedly died over the weekend. He was doing yard work and he just died. They are not going to be able to have a funeral for him.

We all classify essential and non-essential based on our own personal lives. Many businesses are non-essential to me but they are definitely essential to those who livelihoods depend on it. I have an essential job. My income has had no impact. It is a lot easier for people in my position to tell those who have lost their incomes to shelter in place, stay the course, and that we're all in this together. It's not as easy for those who have real questions about how they are going to provide for their families going forward.

---

I am not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation but I am trying to look at it from different perspectives. A balance must be found.

 

[mefordis]

Not understanding what would prompt anybody to respond with a laughing haha comment to what I wrote here, but I guess it takes all kinds.

You weren't joking?

"My friend could choose to view it strictly through what she's seeing, but she's smart enough to understand her viewpoint is only one perspective and it looks very different not very far away."

Insulting someone you don't know, was that your intention? I thought you were joking. Read the post above yours to educate yourself on what would happen if we remain shut down and hospitals are allowed to close down.

 

[Heather07438]

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

What?
What you quoted me saying is not from your linked quote. Where did it come from?

The quote you linked of mine says:
"I think it has alot of being the first to hit higher amounts of cases.

Then it just explodes like crazy exponentially. For sure, it the city areas in and around NYC there are many apartments where people cross paths with others 100 times a day. But our suburbs were also hit, which are not unlike many areas outside of NYC.

Looks like it starts in clusters of high population then easily carries out. Smaller areas may have less opportunity to get their cases numbers up but for those who do... look out. Once it gets a foothold it's hard to put back in the box as we've seen with some small towns already. "

 

[hopemax]

Are you saying we should keep things as is for another 6 more months?

The PP asked what would be different between reopening now or 6 months. I answered.

Personally, I DO think things should be more restrictive than what many people want for the next 6 months. But that wasn't the point of the response. There are things that can be learned that would affect outcomes. That was the point.

 

[MATTERHORN]

I keep hearing how the quarantine is working and the curve is flattening. I worry that when we start to slowly open things up again we will see a spike in the virus. Once we all start mingling again and going to restaurants, movies, hair salons etc. Won't we just start spreading it again? The virus did not disappear while we were all inside. I know we still have to social distance and things will be more spread out, but people are having a hard time following the rules now. Once the boundaries are relaxed, people will just go back to old habits I think. OTOH, we can't stay inside forever.

It didn't come close to disappearing because many people did nothing and don't even bother to pay attention to the distancing.

I agree with you, I don't think a lot of people care and have bothered to even learn a lesson from this. Second wave, here we come.

 

[Hikergirl]

I don't think anyone is saying that. Most are saying to take it slow to reopen the country.

Most maybe but I'm asking the pp to clarify if they are saying that.

 

[Heather07438]

What?
What you quoted me saying is not from your linked quote. Where did it come from?

The quote you linked of mine says:
"I think it has alot of being the first to hit higher amounts of cases.

Then it just explodes like crazy exponentially. For sure, it the city areas in and around NYC there are many apartments where people cross paths with others 100 times a day. But our suburbs were also hit, which are not unlike many areas outside of NYC.

Looks like it starts in clusters of high population then easily carries out. Smaller areas may have less opportunity to get their cases numbers up but for those who do... look out. Once it gets a foothold it's hard to put back in the box as we've seen with some small towns already. "

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

Please explain as it looks like you've opened a bee's nest.

I reported now. Intentional or not, quotes shouldn't be crafted and should link properly.

 

[cabanafrau]

6 more months? There will not be an economy left if we wait 6 more months to start opening.

Indications I'm hearing in SE Michigan where I live, which has very hard hit pockets, isn't talking anywhere close to six months. Major gearing up is underway to start reopening things May 4 here, even if it's not being publicly announced in the media. Another MI poster indicated here on the boards that their family member is currently involved in efforts to reopen the auto plant where they work in the same timeframe. That's the same timeframe I'm hearing courts will be reopening for certain in person hearings, according to a certain scheduling priority. Friends and family working in other business sectors in our area are all getting the same unofficial timeframe about reopening plans.

 

[hopemax]

Please explain as it looks like you've opened a bee nest.

Somehow she got something I said tagged with your quote.

 

[amylevan]

What?
What you quoted me saying is not from your linked quote. Where did it come from?

The quote you linked of mine says:
"I think it has alot of being the first to hit higher amounts of cases.

Then it just explodes like crazy exponentially. For sure, it the city areas in and around NYC there are many apartments where people cross paths with others 100 times a day. But our suburbs were also hit, which are not unlike many areas outside of NYC.

Looks like it starts in clusters of high population then easily carries out. Smaller areas may have less opportunity to get their cases numbers up but for those who do... look out. Once it gets a foothold it's hard to put back in the box as we've seen with some small towns already. "

Sorry, I don't know how that happened. I was actually quoting someone else who said that.