Disney Genie announcement

Is it correct that with scheduling a LL ride with Genie+, you have to accept the time the system gives you and cannot choose different ride times (for example select a time for later in the day)?
From Disney's use of the phrase "next available time", it seems that you will not be able to choose ride time. Since you don't have to accept a LL that is presented, in theory it seems that you could pass on earlier one and hope that something closer to your desired time finally comes up, but who really knows how all of this will work at this point.
 
The only major issue I have with G+ is no re-rides. I do not like that aspect at all. I've said it before, and I am saying it again. Disney's line of we are taking the beloved MaxPass and adding more flexibility is a huge bunch of hooey. We are re-ride people. And yeah, I know we can do standby. I am not waiting 45 minutes for TSMM or 60 minutes for SDD. I am not. We did it during spring break in April and we all said this wasn't for us and we were waiting until whatever form of FP came back.

Yes, we are the diehard FP+ people who used our initial 3 by noon and continually kept pulling our additional selections throughout the day. Our motto was why wait 10 minutes in standby when we can walk on with FP+. YMMV but it worked very well for us. We refreshed getting headliner rides again (i.e. FOP we did four times in a day) it took effort, but we did it! And we loved it.

Like everyone on here, we maximize our time at the parks how WE want, not to how Disney wants us to do it. Now Disney is taking that flexibility away. The thing I don't understand is how Disney failed to realize we are now waiting in line and removing what they care about most ... money! We are not spending money in line. We can't shop or buy food/drink while waiting for a ride.

Of course this could change over time, but it won't change on our trip at the end of this month. I hope I will be pleasantly surprised like I was with GOTG at DLR. I was livid they took ToT away until I experienced GOTG. I ate my words, big time. Man, I really really really really hope this will be the case for G+. I know it won't -- as I am not paying to ride SM, FEA, MMRR, or EE -- but if I am even a little bit happier than I think I will be then I'll take it.
 
The only major issue I have with G+ is no re-rides. I do not like that aspect at all. I've said it before, and I am saying it again. Disney's line of we are taking the beloved MaxPass and adding more flexibility is a huge bunch of hooey. We are re-ride people. And yeah, I know we can do standby. I am not waiting 45 minutes for TSMM or 60 minutes for SDD. I am not. We did it during spring break in April and we all said this wasn't for us and we were waiting until whatever form of FP came back.

Yes, we are the diehard FP+ people who used our initial 3 by noon and continually kept pulling our additional selections throughout the day. Our motto was why wait 10 minutes in standby when we can walk on with FP+. YMMV but it worked very well for us. We refreshed getting headliner rides again (i.e. FOP we did four times in a day) it took effort, but we did it! And we loved it.

This is exactly me. And since I'm a solo traveler it was still "easy" to get FP+ later in the day even for headliners.
The no re-rides thing is the reason why I will not buy Genie+.
Unless things changes before my trip in early November, I'll maximize Early Entry and end of days hours and see how it goes.
 
We start our vacation on the 19th at AK. Really looking forward to this new system (if it doesn't crash). Stacking Genie+ LL rides one after another all day and adding in paying for LL$ rides should really reduce the amount of wait we do. We will grab our first Genie+ at 7am, another at 9am, and just keep going all day. I really don't see an issue here.
It would be decent if it worked that way, but what if what you really want is, for example, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder, and Haunted Mansion. When you go in at 7am, it has you coming back at 2pm for Splash. You book that. At 9am, you try for Big Thunder and get a 5pm. Then, at 10am, you try for Haunted Mansion and it’s gone for the day. So is Jungle Cruise, Peter Pan, Pirates, and Buzz. For the rest of the day all you can stack in there is things like Barnstormer, Winnie the Pooh, Magic Carpets, etc.

Maybe this scenario I’m imagining is not likely? But what if it is?
 
I was under the assumption that Genie+ could be only every two hours until someone here pointed me over to the video from Molly. I watched and rewatched and my understanding based on that is that your next Genie+ reservation can be made as soon as you check into your current attraction, and that the next reservation does NOT have to be two hours away as long as you've checked in. I still don't trust any of this info until I see it in practice next week.
Based on everything I've read/seen, here's how I THINK G+ will work:

When you make your first LL selection, it will show you all the available rides. Each will have one time shown (the next available time).

If your first LL selection made through G+ is between 1-119 minutes in the future, you will be able to go on G+ and look for your next one as soon as you scan in to the ride. At that time, you'll again see the next available time for all G+ rides.

Some of the more popular rides will have the return times pushed later more quickly (just like it was with legacy paper FP). So, if you are choosing a popular ride for your 2nd or 3rd choice, it might be 120+ minutes in the future. In this instance, you would not have to wait until scanning in to get your next LL selection on G+ but, rather, you'd be able to get another one once two hours has elapsed.

If you have a LL return time that's far in the future (which could theoretically happen for some of the most popular rides), you would be able to obtain another LL after two hours and if the one you select has a quick return time, you could get another as soon as you scan in for that ride (with your evening LL still "stacked" in reserve). If you keep selecting rides with return times that are not too far in the future, you'll be able to maximize the number of LLs you obtain.

However, if you're holding that late afternoon LL time and after two hours you select another popular ride where the return times have also extended into later hours, you'll need to wait another two hours before making another LL selection in G+. Doing this would give you two "stacked" LLs for later, but also increases the odds that you'll get a fewer number of overall LLs, because while you're in those two hour cooling off periods, the return times for other rides are also moving into the future.

The big unknown is how quickly non-headliner LLs will get booked up. If the usage is somewhat consistent with FP+, there should still be choices well into the afternoon for some rides, but headliners will be booked up earlier.

So, which strategy will people land on as the "best" (subjective for each individual, I know)? Book headliners even if the return times are later and take your chances on getting fewer LLs for the non-headliners? Or avoid those later return times in order to get more LLs per day? I'm thinking that seeing the return time already pushing later will be a strong motivator for some people to select certain rides (on top of the popularity) and folks (at least those "in the know") will be more inclined to incur the two hour cooling off period to ensure they have a LL reservation for rides that they anticipate will have the longest SB waits.

ETA: I think the jury is still out on whether the two-hour cooling off period goes into effect for a 7 am selection (or even later for parks that open later). If the park opens at (or before) 9am, it shouldn't matter because any LL reservation you make at 7 am will be for shortly after park open, so you'd be able to make another one shortly after 9am (possibly even earlier if your first LL selection has a return time before 9am.

If EPCOT eventually returns to a 9am opening, this will be moot, but with 11 am opening, the big question is whether you can make another LL at 9am (two hours cooling off period after you selected the first one at 7 am) or if you'll have to wait until the park opens before making your next LL selection in G+.
 
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Based on everything I've read/seen, here's how I THINK G+ will work:

When you make your first LL selection, it will show you all the available rides. Each will have one time shown (the next available time).

If you're first LL selection made through G+ is between 1-119 minutes in the future, you will be able to go on G+ and look for your next one as soon as you scan in. At that time, you'll again see the next available time for all G+ rides.

Some of the more popular rides will have the return times pushed later more quickly (just like it was with legacy paper FP). So, if you are choosing a popular ride for your 2nd or 3rd choice, it might be 120+ minutes in the future. In this instance, you would not have to wait until scanning in to get your next LL selection on G+ but, rather, you'd be able to get another one once two hours has elapsed.

If you have a LL return time that's far in the future (which could theoretically happen for some of the most popular rides), you would be able to obtain another LL after two hours and if the one you select has a quick return time, you could get another as soon as you scan in for that ride (with your evening LL still "stacked" in reserve). If you keep selecting rides with return times that are not too far in the future, you'll be able to maximize the number of LLs you obtain.

However, if you're holding that late afternoon LL time and after two hours you select another popular ride where the return times have also extended into later hours, you'll need to wait another two hours before making another LL selection in G+. Doing this would give you two "stacked" LLs for later, but also increases the odds that you'll get a fewer number of overall LLs, because while you're in those two hour cooling off periods, the return times for other rides are also moving into the future.

The big unknown is how quickly non-headliner LLs will get booked up. If the usage is somewhat consistent with FP+, there should still be choices well into the afternoon for some rides, but headliners will be booked up earlier.

So, which strategy will people land on as the "best" (subjective for each individual, I know)? Book headliners even if the return times are later and take your chances on getting fewer LLs for the non-headliners? Or avoid those later return times in order to get more LLs per day? I'm thinking that seeing the return time already pushing later will be a strong motivator for some people to select certain rides (on top of the popularity) and folks (at least those "in the know") will be more inclined to incur the two hour cooling off period to ensure they have a LL reservation for rides that they anticipate will have the longest SB waits.
All of this and more going through my brain right now as I contemplate how to navigate this on launch day. I really don't want to be a genie-pig and could opt to just do standby, but the fact that there will now be paid LL capacity during our trip will prompt us to try it at HWS and MK. We don't plan to use in other parks, and we won't do any ILL$. Good luck to everyone going next week! We are all going to need it!!!
 
I agree with almost everything Grumpy by Birth just said (in post #3,526). Another thing that I am wondering about is the role of "refreshing" in all of this. It is true that FP+ for popular rides typically ran out early in the day (actually, often more than a month in advance). But (1) Disney would occasionally drop additional FP slots into circulation throughout the day, and (2) people would often cancel FP slots. Thus, you could keep refreshing the FP options on your phone and sometimes snag a FP for a headliner later in the day. Many of us on these boards mastered that skill.

What will "refresh" be like with Genie+? First of all, can you snag a time and then change it later if you see a better option (like you used to be able to do with FP+)? Or are you locked in until either you use your LL slot or it expires? Second, will Disney keep refilling the LL availability throughout the day, akin to the FP drops of old? (And will they do so at fixed times that insiders can come to expect, as happened with FP+?) Depending on the answers to these questions, the "refresh method" could still exist. Even if you're not allowed change your choice, you might keep refreshing before accepting one to see if a better one pops up. Though that would be a gamble, because the times slots that are available will keep slipping away.

Of course, there are both pros and cons to the refresh method. Some people seem to be viewing the silver lining of Genie+ to be that we won't have to have our noses buried in our phones all day. If refresh is still an option, then that benefit goes away. It might be worth it, though, if there is a meaningful opportunity to snag better rides. (Though the no re-rides rule would still eliminate much of the value of refreshing.)
 
- All the rules for G+ are spelled out, but no mention of one at a time. Or "120 minutes".
I keep thinking I'm missing something but I don't see anything about 1 time only anywhere official.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood what you are referring to.
 
I keep thinking I'm missing something but I don't see anything about 1 time only anywhere official.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood what you are referring to.
Yeah...no clue. I can't say Disney has officially confirmed anything either way. Maybe people will just have to find out in six days!
 
They are talking about the free Genie itinerary portion, not Genie+. The Genie app can make you an itinerary to follow, so if you get on the ride earlier than what the itinerary suggested, then that ride will be erased from the itinerary. It will be like checking off that box. If you got a LL pass through G+ but ride the same ride via stand by prior to you reservation time, your G+ reservation will absolutely not be erased.

This. I just watched that portion of the video and she is clearly talking about free Genie, not Genie+. she is not talking about your LLs going away.
 
Genie+ (G+)
1) Gives you access to the Lightning Lane for 40-ish attractions throughout WDW
2) Costs $15 per person per day to use
3) You can book one LL at a time
4) You can book your next LL after using your current one OR after two hours have passed, whichever occurs first
5) You will only be able to book a LL for each ride only one time. So if you want to re-ride a specific attraction and you have already used LL for that attraction, then you need to wait in the standby line.


Individual Lightning Lane Selections (ILLS)
1) There are eight attractions not included with G+ (FoP, Everest, 7DMT, Space, RotR, MMRR, FEA, Remy)
2) To use the LL for these rides, you must purchase access seperately
3) The price to skip the line will vary based on many factors (i.e. surge pricing)
4) You may purchase up to two of these each day
5) You do not need to have G+ to use ILLS


Options
1) Use G+ only
2) Use ILLS only
3) Use both G+ and ILLS
4) Use neither and wait in the standby line
I was under the assumption that Genie+ could be only every two hours until someone here pointed me over to the video from Molly. I watched and rewatched and my understanding based on that is that your next Genie+ reservation can be made as soon as you check into your current attraction, and that the next reservation does NOT have to be two hours away as long as you've checked in. I still don't trust any of this info until I see it in practice next week.

The other post I've quoted here is an excellent summary of the whole system.

The two hour thing is a "cool off period". You can use the app to make another LL reservation after you scan in for your ride or 120 minutes after you last used the app to make a reservation - whichever comes first. As an example:

You have a Genie+ LL return time of 11:00am at Splash Mountain. You scan in at exactly 11:00 and you want a LL for BTMRR. You reserve the next available time for that ride - 3:00 (4 hours away).

Since your next ride is so far in the future, at 1:00 you can make another LL reservation on another ride. 1:00 is 2 hours after you used the app to make the BTMRR LL reservation.

If you are able to keep making LL reservations that are less than two hours away, you don't need to worry about the cool off period.

Disney Tourist Blog has a good post with a potential sample day at MK using Genie+ with references to the 120 minute rule

https://www.disneytouristblog.com/1-day-magic-kingdom-lightning-lanes-genie-plus/
 
I will have to set an alarm on my phone every time we need to follow the "120 minute rule". In the middle of Space Mountain? Oh yeah - have to book that next LL ride! If you hear an alarm going off, just carry on. It's just me trying to remember to do everything needed to ensure my family has a great, stress-free time during our WDW vacation!
 
I will have to set an alarm on my phone every time we need to follow the "120 minute rule". In the middle of Space Mountain? Oh yeah - have to book that next LL ride! If you hear an alarm going off, just carry on. It's just me trying to remember to do everything needed to ensure my family has a great, stress-free time during our WDW vacation!
Not exactly. Your 120 minutes is unique to you.
 

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