Josh Duggar's Trial Begins Today... GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

[robinb]

I agree whole heartedly, but where are Anna's parents/family through all of this? Have they been counseling her that her place is to stick by her husband? If they won't help her and her menagerie of children if she divorces the POS, what choice does she have with no education, that I know of, and only his family on which she can rely?

His family certainly isn't going to help her with paying for an education, they don't believe that women need one, yet they can homeschool their own children to keep them pure of the sins outside of their own homes. UGH! I just hate the whole of it.

I believe I read on Duggar Snark that she was offered help from her brother and maybe someone else, but she has chosen not to accept it. Maybe one the regular Snarkers can weigh in on that rumor.

 

[MamaMermaid]

I believe I read on Duggar Snark that she was offered help from her brother and maybe someone else, but she has chosen not to accept it. Maybe one the regular Snarkers can weigh in on that rumor.

That's pretty much what the word on the street is. She's too far in the cult to leave him or think he's guilty - most people think. I guess their "religion" basically makes women feel like that if their husband "strays", it's their fault. They did something wrong, they weren't "joyfully available", etc. and that led him astray... I'm sure she thinks some of this is her fault.

 

[Moliphino]

That's pretty much what the word on the street is. She's too far in the cult to leave him or think he's guilty - most people think. I guess their "religion" basically makes women feel like that if their husband "strays", it's their fault. They did something wrong, they weren't "joyfully available", etc. and that led him astray... I'm sure she thinks some of this is her fault.

Yeah, that's my understanding. She has a sibling or two who have broken away from the cult who may have offered to help, but she's in too deep.

 

[WDWJDS]

I would bet that the “side hugs” and ultra modest clothing started after JD’s molestation. I’m sure that they were conservative before that, but they probably went to extremes to try to stop more incidents from happening, not just in the name of religion

 

[MrBellatrixLestrange]

Based on this thread this guy sounds like a real piece of, uh, work.

 

[smilie]

Jury is in deliberation now!!

 

[MamaMermaid]

Jury is in deliberation now!!

Let’s hope this is fast and the verdict is guilty!

 

[VandVsmama]

There's an amazing about 12 minute video on Youtube that was posted the other day by an elderly woman who is a survivor of this type of child abuse. She is spot on with what she has to say to Ma & Pa Duggar. Her video pretty much totally summarizes how I feel about the Duggar parents. You can find it by looking up "To Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar from a CSA Survivor."

 

[happily single]

Let’s hope this is fast and the verdict is guilty!

Im not going to lie. i'm nervous he will be found not guilty.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

Im not going to lie. i'm nervous he will be found not guilty.

I agree It feels so "easy". They put up no fight except the plea. They hired somebody relatively new in the field that did less than an impressive job overall. Can it really be this black and white and easy?

I can only imagine the pressure Anna has on her right now. Having to actually continue to TOUCH that pig. I am hoping it's a front;. A solid wall of loyalty because she knows that she WILL be free very soon. Let's all just hope they come back with guilty and set her and all those kids free.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I’ve spent more time thinking about Anna’s situation over the years than I care to admit. I’ve gone around and around on this internal debate making arguments with myself about cults, and brainwashing, and spiritual abuse, and Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, Anna’s belief system, the ways she has perhaps been victimized throughout her life that we don’t know about, her limited education, her lack of work experience, the number of children she has depending on her, the resources available to her, the fact that she believes her salvation hinges on staying with the pond scum she married. On and on.

Then I finally came to the conclusion that people leave cults and other abusive situations every single day. They follow their instincts of self-preservation and they find a way out. People who have had far less exposure to the outside world and fewer resources than Anna manage to do it. Girls of the FLDS escaping the compound in the middle of the night, 17 year old Jordan Turpin running from her house with nothing but a cell phone.

By contrast, Anna is a (D-list) public figure who has spent years in the public eye. She has a social media platform, plenty of experience interacting with people from different walks of life, and access to the internet where literally anything she wants to know can be answered. She has examples in her own family of people who have broken away and gone on to live healthier, happy lives. She has resources available to her whether that’s public funds, private organizations, a Go Fund Me bankrolled by people who are rooting for her, writing a Duggar tell-all, or calling up her contacts at TLC to pitch a new show idea. Her brother offered to take her and the kids in after the Ashley Madison scandal. Her sister is married to a wealthy man who is the president of a global company and owns a private jet. Anna has ways of making money and people who are willing to help. Spiritually, her beliefs say her disgusting husband will be forgiven for the things he’s done. Cool, I would think that means she could also be forgiven for her “transgression” of divorcing him in order to get her 7 children away from an incestuous child molester/cheater/rapist/pedophile. Or, don’t divorce him, whatever, just leave and get the children into a safe environment.

She’s not trapped and she’s not too naive to know any differently. She’s making the choice to stay and she’s suppressing every bit of sane thought and maternal instinct to do it. She is a full fledged enabler to Josh and she is deliberately choosing his comfort over her children’s well-being.

(Next, Tipsy remembered the newborn baby who has been separated from her mother for the past week so that mother could stand by her pedophile husband in court to help improve his image as a family man. Tipsy’s eye started to twitch and she hit Post Reply so she could walk away from the screen before she started word vomiting all her rage onto the DIS...)

 

[ashley0139]

Then I finally came to the conclusion that people leave cults and other abusive situations every single day. They follow their instincts of self-preservation and they find a way out. People who have had far less exposure to the outside world and fewer resources than Anna manage to do it. Girls of the FLDS escaping the compound in the middle of the night, 17 year old Jordan Turpin running from her house with nothing but a cell phone.

This is exactly how I feel. My sympathy for Anna (which I did have once) has long since run out. Keeping those babies safe is the most important thing and she and the entire family have failed.

 

[mom2rtk]

This is exactly how I feel. My sympathy for Anna (which I did have once) has long since run out. Keeping those babies safe is the most important thing and she and the entire family have failed.

The tiny bit I had for her ended when she decided to keep having more potential victims, I mean babies, with him.

 

[RUDisney]

There's an amazing about 12 minute video on Youtube that was posted the other day by an elderly woman who is a survivor of this type of child abuse. She is spot on with what she has to say to Ma & Pa Duggar. Her video pretty much totally summarizes how I feel about the Duggar parents. You can find it by looking up "To Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar from a CSA Survivor."

What a powerful vlog. She really hit it spot on!

@TipsyTraveler, I didn't know those things about Anna's family. Shame on her for not leaving him even more now.

 

[Pink Partridge]

The tiny bit I had for her ended when she decided to keep having more potential victims, I mean babies, with him.

Absolutely perfectly said.

 

[happily single]

I’ve spent more time thinking about Anna’s situation over the years than I care to admit. I’ve gone around and around on this internal debate making arguments with myself about cults, and brainwashing, and spiritual abuse, and Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, Anna’s belief system, the ways she has perhaps been victimized throughout her life that we don’t know about, her limited education, her lack of work experience, the number of children she has depending on her, the resources available to her, the fact that she believes her salvation hinges on staying with the pond scum she married. On and on.

Then I finally came to the conclusion that people leave cults and other abusive situations every single day. They follow their instincts of self-preservation and they find a way out. People who have had far less exposure to the outside world and fewer resources than Anna manage to do it. Girls of the FLDS escaping the compound in the middle of the night, 17 year old Jordan Turpin running from her house with nothing but a cell phone.

By contrast, Anna is a (D-list) public figure who has spent years in the public eye. She has a social media platform, plenty of experience interacting with people from different walks of life, and access to the internet where literally anything she wants to know can be answered. She has examples in her own family of people who have broken away and gone on to live healthier, happy lives. She has resources available to her whether that’s public funds, private organizations, a Go Fund Me bankrolled by people who are rooting for her, writing a Duggar tell-all, or calling up her contacts at TLC to pitch a new show idea. Her brother offered to take her and the kids in after the Ashley Madison scandal. Her sister is married to a wealthy man who is the president of a global company and owns a private jet. Anna has ways of making money and people who are willing to help. Spiritually, her beliefs say her disgusting husband will be forgiven for the things he’s done. Cool, I would think that means she could also be forgiven for her “transgression” of divorcing him in order to get her 7 children away from an incestuous child molester/cheater/rapist/pedophile. Or, don’t divorce him, whatever, just leave and get the children into a safe environment.

She’s not trapped and she’s not too naive to know any differently. She’s making the choice to stay and she’s suppressing every bit of sane thought and maternal instinct to do it. She is a full fledged enabler to Josh and she is deliberately choosing his comfort over her children’s well-being.

(Next, Tipsy remembered the newborn baby who has been separated from her mother for the past week so that mother could stand by her pedophile husband in court to help improve his image as a family man. Tipsy’s eye started to twitch and she hit Post Reply so she could walk away from the screen before she started word vomiting all her rage onto the DIS...)

I agree with everything you have said. Working in the legal field I've gotten good at watching people's body and verbal lanugage. I'm telling you, she is NOT comfortable around him. She is not the adoring wife she was years ago. Every picture of her at the trial (and pre-trial) showed someone who was struggling. She was not happy. I really really hope that she has the strength to move on

 

[dez1978]

I would bet that the “side hugs” and ultra modest clothing started after JD’s molestation. I’m sure that they were conservative before that, but they probably went to extremes to try to stop more incidents from happening, not just in the name of religion

The ultra modest clothing has always been a thing. In fact they used to wear full on like, prairie dresses. Like the kind of crap target sells now lol

 

[mom2rtk]

I would bet that the “side hugs” and ultra modest clothing started after JD’s molestation. I’m sure that they were conservative before that, but they probably went to extremes to try to stop more incidents from happening, not just in the name of religion

You know "JD" could be any one of 20 different people, right?

It's OK though. I think I figured it out.

 

[neverlandsky]

There's an amazing about 12 minute video on Youtube that was posted the other day by an elderly woman who is a survivor of this type of child abuse. She is spot on with what she has to say to Ma & Pa Duggar. Her video pretty much totally summarizes how I feel about the Duggar parents. You can find it by looking up "To Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar from a CSA Survivor."

Thank you.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Jury has not reached a verdict and will continue deliberations tomorrow. Blah. Today’s my birthday and I was really hoping for a karmic gift from the freakshow I’ve been following for the past 15 years.