WOW DVC Prices !!!

  • Things like G+ LL and the inflated standby wait times has people wondering if they really do want to return. That goes for prospective DVC buyers and current owners
A bunch of times during our last trip when we didn't have G+ we looked at the wait times and just decided it just wasn't worth it for a lot of rides. We currently have AP's but are going to let them lapse since we are only going 7-9 days next year and the renewal price is more than a 10 day ticket. We are looking at how many days we really need a park ticket, and probably can get it down to 4 days in the parks.
 
Are you serious?? Contracts are dropping all over, it is just a matter of it matching your use year, resort desire, and budget. You can get a lot of things for cheap right now.

Haha, we're actually offering and purchasing (one in ROFR, one closing this week), so I'm willing to say I'm serious ;) it can take a few offers to get a decent price on what you actually want.

On a side note - I should mention we were also interested in "tying down" a couple resort contracts. We've seen DVC/DVD make changes over the years and "grandfather" in current owners when they've changed some of the "optional terms" - much like they tend to grandfather in annual passholders. I don't have a specific concern, and I'm aware Disney has recently favored Direct Buyers over Resale, but still happy to hedge our bets, and make sure we have access to our "favs" at these prices. YMMV
 
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It seems pretty simple to me, but probably not to the people making the decisions; they need to return some, if not all of the on-property perks. That's not such an easy decision to make when there are 2 hour waits in the parks and the need to attract more guests is not readily apparent.
Disney doesn’t care how easy it is to sell the points resale…. They want to collect the Maintenance Fees and sell the new units. I do not see them reinstating perks, if anything I see the resale restrictions continuing to be more draconian….They don’t make that much money on resales… they make them on direct….

The only perk I can think of they are missing is the annual pass sales, but I think DVC would like them to resume, and that the Parks team does not want them to do so.
 
I also bought peak Covid, but it feels different to me now. I'm just so uncertain about Disney's choices everywhere. But man, those BW points...
Different than when the parks (worldwide) were completely shut down with no end in sight and we had record unemployment? There may be some rough sledding ahead with the economy but that was truly a black swan event with much bleaker prospects.
 
It feels a lot more like ‘08 to me, except it’s been a longer, slower, slide down - maybe it won’t be as bad as it was then.
Maybe this is why people are unloading their contracts for so little money right now.
It does seem like things are going to get harder for a while but the reality is right now we still have a 53 year low in unemployment at 3% and new house sales were just up for a second consecutive month. I know it's probably not going to stay like this but...
In 2008 our financial market was in the midst of a systemic meltdown and on the brink of collapse. People were literally mailing their keys back to the mortgage company and walking away from their houses and mortgages. Unemployment. peaked at 10%. That was the highest since the great depression and only beaten during the height of Covid when it got to 13%.

We're probably in for a bit of a downturn or maybe worse but 2008 was really a whole different set of circumstances. We just had a pretty wild ride up after Covid and like any good roller coaster the downs follow the ups. Well, maybe not rock 'n' roll roller coaster, that's kind of straight, then dark and then looping I think...I can never tell. Also I haven't been on Tron yet, so ???? I refuse to watch the preview videos on YouTube.:)
 
We just had a pretty wild ride up after Covid and like any good roller coaster the downs follow the ups. Well, maybe not rock 'n' roll roller coaster, that's kind of straight, then dark and then looping I think...I can never tell. Also I haven't been on Tron yet, so ???? I refuse to watch the preview videos on YouTube.:)
I particularly liked how your financial outlook ended with a Tron ride. That might be the best segue I've seen on here ;)
 
Disney doesn’t care how easy it is to sell the points resale…. They want to collect the Maintenance Fees and sell the new units. I do not see them reinstating perks, if anything I see the resale restrictions continuing to be more draconian….They don’t make that much money on resales… they make them on direct….

The only perk I can think of they are missing is the annual pass sales, but I think DVC would like them to resume, and that the Parks team does not want them to do so.
They need to make the product more attractive, and the only way they can do that is to make you want to return to WDW AND STAY ON PROPERTY on a regular basis.
 
I need Poly1 to get to $125/pt then I am on it……
A year ago, Poly was $170. Last month, Poly averaged $155. We're now starting to see smallish Poly contracts in the high $140s.

Anyone trying to sell their Poly for $170 today might have to wait a long time.

I'm not sure we'll see $125 but if March and April are not strong sales months like they historically have been, we might see Poly in the $130s before the end of the year.
 
It feels a lot more like ‘08 to me, except it’s been a longer, slower, slide down - maybe it won’t be as bad as it was then.
I don't see this being like 2008 at all (so long as the Fed doesn't stay tight too long.) For one, our banks are much better capitalized now than they were then. Second, the recession we face now is almost a voluntary one, meaning the Fed is choosing to put us in one because they have no other tool than to destroy demand to curb inflation. Sure, you could say that we have blindspots now because we had them in 2005-7 and ignored them, which I would agree with. But they are still different. The main reason: this has to be one of the most publicly telegraphed recessions ever. It's a fear, but it's not a surprise. The GFC was a surprise and then became a fear. Not so much this time around. I've been hearing nothing other than a recession is coming since early 2021. To be honest, I'm not sure what I prefer more: the face-ripping rallies of 2020 where unprofitable junk stocks flew to ATHs on a daily basis and gambling was mistaken for investing or 2022 where the stock market balloons leaked helium all year long but quality stocks held their heads high(er). I guess I would choose choice C: a Goldilocks scenario. But that is not likely to happen at all. We don't often get the "middle" when it comes to the markets.
 
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Agree, not right now. Dow is tanking today, bad inflation report. It is not under control. A couple more rate hikes for sure. And those darn eggs…..
So it looks like its just you and me who still pay attention to the people's index. Glad to have some company. I agree two or three more rate hikes are coming. But I still believe that the rate hikes already done still have not been completely digested by the economy. I fear the Fed staying tight for too long is a more likely error than inflation spiraling out of control, leading to Volcker-like rate hikes.

And for those eggs... I counter with plain, non-fat Greek yogurt. Great protein. Less cholesterol.
 
So it looks like its just you and me who still pay attention to the people's index. Glad to have some company. I agree two or three more rate hikes are coming. But I still believe that the rate hikes already done still have not been completely digested by the economy. I fear the Fed staying tight for too long is a more likely error than inflation spiraling out of control, leading to Volcker-like rate hikes.

And for those eggs... I counter with plain, non-fat Greek yogurt. Great protein. Less cholesterol.
The Fed has a terrible record on money tightening. They nearly always drive the economy into recessions. They just don't seem to know when to stop and give the rate hikes they've already made time to take effect.
 
The Fed has a terrible record on money tightening. They nearly always drive the economy into recessions. They just don't seem to know when to stop and give the rate hikes they've already made time to take effect.
You're absolutely right. Their record is terrible. The Fed has one tool and it's a sledgehammer that breaks the economy to slow inflation. I still do not understand why the unicorn 2% is their goal.

Just went to a lunch the other day hosted by an investment firm; I wish I could share the chart they showed. Totally backs up the Fed's ability to wreck it all.
 
It's one thing to compare the cost of DVC vs the cost of staying on property. It's quite another to compare the cost of DVC vs staying off property.
As an example of this, I have 4 nights booked for September at the VGF. If I had rented out the points, instead, I could have stayed one month in a Sheraton or Marriot timeshare in Orlando.
VGF is amazing and I'm looking forward to it, but sometime the Mickey math used to justify a purchase need to ignore a lot of things to work.
Buy DVC if you can afford it and love staying onsite, but really "saving" is not the right word. "Pay a smaller ransom" is a better expression.
 
So it looks like its just you and me who still pay attention to the people's index. Glad to have some company. I agree two or three more rate hikes are coming. But I still believe that the rate hikes already done still have not been completely digested by the economy. I fear the Fed staying tight for too long is a more likely error than inflation spiraling out of control, leading to Volcker-like rate hikes.

And for those eggs... I counter with plain, non-fat Greek yogurt. Great protein. Less cholesterol.
Add unsweetened applesauce to the yogurt.

Wholesale egg prices are down 50%
 
Add unsweetened applesauce to the yogurt.

Wholesale egg prices are down 50%
We Americans just want to complain. Gas prices go up, we complain. It's on the news. Gas prices go down, no one says anything. Egg prices go up, we complain. It's on the news. Egg prices go down, no one says anything.

I may try the unsweetened applesauce with yogurt. For good or for bad, I seem to have the most unrefined palate, so a bland food like plain Greek yogurt tastes as good as the fruit flavored variety.
 
We Americans just want to complain. Gas prices go up, we complain. It's on the news. Gas prices go down, no one says anything. Egg prices go up, we complain. It's on the news. Egg prices go down, no one says anything.
I think it is mostly from shock because gas prices will spike 10-20% overnight, and then take 6 months to drop the same amount a 1% a month. Even though the price per barrel has dropped significantly.

People just need to buy solar panels for their houses and buy EV's......
 

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