Inventory This High?

[HIRyeDVC]

Well, you could argue that resorts that cost under $600/night are facilitating overcrowding, so therefore they should either rip down all the Values and Mods or raise the prices there so that even All Star Sports, for example, would cost $600/night.

Also, all discounts encourage overcrowding, so perhaps you want to get rid of them, too?

And maybe Disney should stop advertising, since for sure that costs them a bundle and also leads to overcrowding, since it amps up demand.

Just wondering.

Point taken. But none of these actually gets you in the park, where people care most about crowding.

 

[Chili327]

But, you see, the goal isn't to sell more points. It's to sell full price park tickets.

Goal for who.? (2 different departments care about 2 different things) DVC vs Park operations.

All of this is my long-winded way of saying that, not having discounted APs available to DVC owners is impacting our decision as to whether to remain DVC owners at BLT. Without that perk all kinds of other considerations such as the ones I listed above start to impact the number of trips we plan and whether we will come at all. The more they dilute the DVC product the lower the bottom will go, IMO. I suspect that they are holding back DVC AP passes as a way of jumpstarting sales when things get bleak due to the economy. My guess is that day is coming soon if it hasn't really started.

Probably another reason for me not to renew, LOL!

Add in new resort restrictions are devaluing a contracts resale value (which is what makes DVC better than a regular timeshare), isn't helping anything either.

 

[CaliforniaGirl09]

I'm with you on all your complaints except this one. I think Lyft is doing better than ever. Never waited more than a couple minutes anywhere in Orlando.

I wish we had your luck. The last few times we've gone (Feb 23, April 22, Feb 22, Jan 22) it's been horrible. Pre-pandemic we never waited longer than a few minutes and rides were often under $7 except to Disney Springs. The most recent couple times we've had Lyft and Uber spin for minutes trying to find a driver and then finally get someone who is finishing another ride and 15 minutes away. That happened multiple times last month. Ride cost has gone crazy like everything else--I don't think we had anything under $12 last time.

Add in new resort restrictions are devaluing a contracts resale value (which is what makes DVC better than a regular timeshare), isn't helping anything either.

Yep. Totally. The high resale value is what has made DVC such a different product. I'm still in the green with my contracts even at today's low prices, but for a while it was looking like an actual "investment" ROFL. I could still make quite a bit of money on my VGC points. I think I got those for $92 with incentives. Crazy.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Yep. Totally. The high resale value is what has made DVC such a different product. I'm still in the green with my contracts even at today's low prices, but for a while it was looking like an actual "investment" ROFL. I could still make quite a bit of money on my VGC points. I think I got those for $92 with incentives. Crazy.

I think VGC resale value is ultimately dictated by GCH rack rate, which is another level compared to other Disney hotels. As long as DVC points come in lower than rack rate, VGC will retain high value.

 

[farmermax13]

Farmermax13—-$136pp-$51000-375-BLT-Dec 223/22, 375/23, 375/24- sent 3/23

Under contract 3/13 passed ROFR on 3/22

Feel like I overpaid now

 

[Brian Noble]

Goal for who.? (2 different departments care about 2 different things) DVC vs Park operations.

Disney has made it pretty clear that the Parks are the engine that drives everything else at the various Resorts, just based on the way they price things. And that's probably right. In the "tail that wags the dog" analogy, DVC is not the dog.

 

[eticketplease]

Farmermax13—-$136pp-$51000-375-BLT-Dec 223/22, 375/23, 375/24- sent 3/23

Under contract 3/13 passed ROFR on 3/22

Feel like I overpaid now

I haven't look recently but I think that is a pretty good deal. Anything less than $145 was what I was thinking plus with that amount of points you will be able to get a 1 bedroom anytime!

Congrats on passing btw!

 

[DonMacGregor]

They fixed that with the super limited park reservation system. WDW could also do the same to their APs, but hasn't really yet.

I agree with this to a certain extent, however they have been slowly but surely increasing the days available to the lower tiered Keys since last Spring (from a dramatic reduction during the 2021 holidays). Plus, as those lower tiers have come up for renewal, the option to move up to the less-restrictive Keys has been available (and still is today). Plus, the least-restrictive Inspire key is the only one on sale currently. I know quite a few people who have moved up to the nearly unrestricted Inspire Key (I can make a park reservation right now for Easter Sunday or any day the week before or after) from the Imagine and Enchant Keys. Sure, it's a huge increase in cost, but it does increase reservation opportunities.

 

[Miffy]

Point taken. But none of these actually gets you in the park, where people care most about crowding.

The way to eliminate crowding is to use the park reservation system to limit the number of people in each park. If this is currently being used in this manner, then Disney doesn't think the parks are "crowded," whatever that may mean.

And, of course, the price of admission could always be raised more. If park admission were to cost $500/day and an AP would cost $30,000, then I think park crowding would be totally eliminated. But I think at that point the Disney parks would also be out of business.

 

[Sandisw]

The way to eliminate crowding is to use the park reservation system to limit the number of people in each park. If this is currently being used in this manner, then Disney doesn't think the parks are "crowded," whatever that may mean.

And, of course, the price of admission could always be raised more. If park admission were to cost $500/day and an AP would cost $30,000, then I think park crowding would be totally eliminated. But I think at that point the Disney parks would also be out of business.

They do use that to monitoring crowds. But they want the guests they let in to be the ones who will also spend money.

First time guests spend more per visit compared to the average AP. I also think they know they have to be careful in selling AP tickets and then limiting them, unless they are sold that way.

For DVC, it would be great to have a special ticket option that is good for onsite stays only, and for X number of days a year…most DVC nor frequent out of town cash guests don’t need 300 plus days of admission…cap it at 50 and it would work for most everyone who wants the AP…I’d pay the same price for that too!

 

[E2ME2]

They do use that to monitoring crowds. But they want the guests they let in to be the ones who will also spend money.

First time guests spend more per visit compared to the average AP. I also think they know they have to be careful in selling AP tickets and then limiting them, unless they are sold that way.

For DVC, it would be great to have a special ticket option that is good for onsite stays only, and for X number of days a year…most DVC nor frequent out of town cash guests don’t need 300 plus days of admission…cap it at 50 and it would work for most everyone who wants the AP…I’d pay the same price for that too!

We stay 40-60 nights at a time, and this year we are going again in September.
Please do not limit my AP dates! "They already have black-out dates".
Don't be an AP-Holder-Hater

 

[Sandisw]

We stay 40-60 nights at a time, and this year we are going again in September.
Please do not limit my AP dates! "They already have black-out dates".
Don't be an AP-Holder-Hater

I am not saying they should eliminate any AP…what I mean is that it would be nice to have an option like that. I have an AP but don’t need it to be 300 plus days…and you don’t really either…

I guess the point was that if they are not selling them because they don’t want more typical APs out there, come up with a compromise ticket that saves over daily tickets for those that come multiple times a year…

Of course anyone who is DVC and not a FL resident and needs that many days, the option should still exist.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I am not saying they should eliminate any AP…what I mean is that it would be nice to have an option like that. I have an AP but don’t need it to be 300 plus days…and you don’t really either…

I guess the point was that if they are not selling them because they don’t want more typical APs out there, come up with a compromise ticket that saves over daily tickets for those that come multiple times a year…

Of course anyone who is DVC and not a FL resident and needs that many days, the option should still exist.

Other than bloggers though is there really anyone, even including locals, that goes to a park more than 50 days in a calendar year? I have to believe that number is microscopic, and selling a 50 day limited pass with no blackout dates would be nearly identical to selling the current incredipass.

 

[E2ME2]

Other than bloggers though is there really anyone, even including locals, that goes to a park more than 50 days in a calendar year? I have to believe that number is microscopic, and selling a 50 day limited pass with no blackout dates would be nearly identical to selling the current incredipass.

OK - maybe I am in that microscopic sub-group, but I believe there are more of us than one might think.
I know it's anecdotal, but on every trip to WDW since COVID, many hot-tub conversations turned into DVCers complaining about not being able to purchase APs. Many of them were retired, like me, and were spending more nights in WDW every year. I also have some friends who use DVC for their large family, and their trips are frequent and sporadic, so they don't want any additional AP limitations either. I am hoping Disney brings back the APs for everyone.

 

[Sandisw]

Other than bloggers though is there really anyone, even including locals, that goes to a park more than 50 days in a calendar year? I have to believe that number is microscopic, and selling a 50 day limited pass with no blackout dates would be nearly identical to selling the current incredipass.

I think there are a lot of locals who do..we have friends who conne a lot and people who may spend a few weeks at a time.

But I’d venture your average DVC owners and repeat cash guests would be within thst 50 to 60 days per year.

 

[E2ME2]

I think there are a lot of locals who do..we have friends who conne a lot and people who may spend a few weeks at a time.

But I’d venture your average DVC owners and repeat cash guests would be within thst 50 to 60 days per year.

No argument with "average DVC owners", but who wants to be average ??
I just see a slippery slope developing:
1. Let's sell Annual Passes, but black-out some popular dates
2. Let's restrict AP sales, to manage crowd$
3. Let's sell quasi - Annual Passes, with a 50-60 day limit. !!!!
4. Where does this end?? - How many more restrictions are you going to place on my not-so-annual, Annual Pass ??

 

[Sandisw]

No argument with "average DVC owners", but who wants to be average ??
I just see a slippery slope developing:
1. Let's sell Annual Passes, but black-out some popular dates
2. Let's restrict AP sales, to manage crowd$
3. Let's sell quasi - Annual Passes, with a 50-60 day limit. !!!!
4. Where does this end?? - How many more restrictions are you going to place on my not-so-annual, Annual Pass ??

But what is the other option? No APs at all..which is where we are right now for anyone who didn’t have them before sales were suspended

No product meets everyone’s needs but if we are talking DVC owners, then IMO, a special ticket option that applies when on site or has X days, which is less expensive than daily tickets just makes sense..which is why I think it’s unlikely.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[HIRyeDVC]

$109 lowest single park price per day. Fifteen percent discount for DVC discount. Fifty anytime days (weekends, holidays etc except Christmas through New Years, Thanksgiving and Spring Break) per year. Expires expires one year from date of purchase. Out of state and foreign visitors welcome. Converting tickets is not authorized. On-site DVC stay required. Price: $4,632.50 before 6.25% sales tax.

You get a discount for the lowest price days so the dynamic pricing for more popular days is also discounted. You also get parkhopper included which is a huge discount. Free parking is another discount. Discounts on food and merch as per AP benefits. And, you do not have to live with the environmental and social disruptions.

If a 50 day ticket costs $4632.50, then an AP should cost $30k

 

[Miffy]

They do use that to monitoring crowds. But they want the guests they let in to be the ones who will also spend money.

First time guests spend more per visit compared to the average AP. I also think they know they have to be careful in selling AP tickets and then limiting them, unless they are sold that way.

For DVC, it would be great to have a special ticket option that is good for onsite stays only, and for X number of days a year…most DVC nor frequent out of town cash guests don’t need 300 plus days of admission…cap it at 50 and it would work for most everyone who wants the AP…I’d pay the same price for that too!

I'd be happy to have a 50-day AP-type product as well, even though I'm not a DVC owner. I live way too far away to just pop in to WDW when I feel like it.

And even though I definitely don't spend as much money as a guest who does a VIP tour or eats at signature restaurants, for example, I spend all my money at WDW when I'm there, so they make a great deal of $ from me. Or at least it seems that way.