So are restrictions an absolute no for you, no matter what or where? I just feel like it’s a thing going forward with DVC and right now it’s easy to dismiss RIV or VDH or CFW but what if the tower is restricted? Or even if it’s not, it’s almost guaranteed that future projects will be restricted (let’s be honest, if they did it to CFW, they’ll do it everywhere). Will you be ok with never having access to them? Or if you have some direct legacy points, get whatever is left over at 7mo?
I think as the mix of DVC owners pre/post restrictions (2019) changes, more and more people are not going to care, and there will be a slow shift to everyone being used to it. So many people (including us) who bought resale, even before 2019, were thinking "buy where you want to stay," *
and* there are a lot of SSR and OKW lovers out there who are quite happy with the renovations. I don't think it was an accident that they started the murphy beds there.
The first few years we were always using our points at our home resorts and booking right at 11 months even if we didn't have to, because it was exciting and fun!! It's only recently that we've started sleeping around, and even so, we are still probably at our home resorts 50-75% of the time. This summer we are choosing to stay at un-refurbed BLT, which is (right now) the most run down of our home resorts. We haven't stayed at BLT in a couple years since we've used those points for AKV, BCV, BWV, AUL, so we're overdue for a reunion.
I think these restricted resorts will ultimately have resale prices substantially lower than the unrestricted ones that expire in the 2050s and 2060s.
I don't know how long you have owned, but part of the reason we bought BLT resale in 2017 was because it was by far the lowest priced DVC in the MK area. There were virtually no PVB resale contracts, CCV wasn't on sale yet, there was no walking path from VGF, VGF direct was on a waiting list and maybe harder to get resale than VGC, and BLT resale was significantly undervalued in all of this. If you had a double stroller and the MK-focused kids that go with that, and you wanted to just dip your toe into DVC, BLT was a bit of a sleeper - attention was on every single other MK resort. Around 2018-2019 BLT resale prices caught up, though.
I think a lot will depend on what's for sale direct. Remember, too, that the less-restricted ones expiring in 2050s, 2060s, will be talked about in 2040 like how we are talking about BWV and BCV now: maybe selling at higher than you'd expect for a resort with 20 years left, but everyone who's buying resale there would be paying the premium to stay there. Will that be offset by, say, "You can only stay at Riviera but it's got 30 more years instead of 15"? Riviera may not have an absolute price per point that is 2x that of BLT, but it will be more.
Yes, this is part of the point I wanted to make, you guys say it perfectly. If you were lucky enough to have bought into DVC before 2019 or have direct points that you got at a great price, than you got to be part of something amazing. (As an aside, being a millennial really sucks sometimes, we’re always the last to things and miss the good times- old enough to have witnessed the golden days, too young and poor to do anything about it haha)
I think FOMO hits you no matter what/where. I still wonder if we should have gotten SSR instead of BLT for our first resale contract. If our first resale contract had been BWV (that was the other one we were planning on), we probably wouldn't have gotten RIV when it went on sale, but I probably also would have been annoyed at the 2br layout and the tiny kitchens. We maybe would have saved about $2000-3000 if we'd bought BWV instead of BLT back then, and I don't think that was worth the shorter lifespan.
2054: SSR
2057: AKL(J/K), OKW
2060: VGC, edit: *forgot BLT* :X
2062: AUL
2064: VGF
2066: PVB
2068: CCV
2070++: RIV, CFW, VDH ...
I wonder if resale owners at the bolded resorts will feel any FOMO not getting access to Riviera and CFW ... I think it will be really interesting if they turn over BCV and BWV in 2042 with new
point charts. That might send people over the edge by 2040.
Certainly. I ended up buying RIV in 2020 despite saying I didn't want a resort that would have resale restrictions, for 2 reasons: wanting an Epcot area resort (that went beyond 2042) and incentives (during that summer fire sale, I could bundle my RIV purchase with my CCV guaranteed weeks and bump into a new incentive category, lowering the per point cost for all of the contracts I was buying.
Which goes back to the ultimate motivator: price. ;-)
We got a great deal on Riviera points in 2019, pre-opening, when we were considering adding on to BLT resale. DEFINITELY did a price comparison between BLT resale (with the O14 restriction) and and RIV new, and yes we paid more than we would have for a BLT resale contract, but not *that* much more, with all of the pluses you describe above, plus instant gratification, plus SO many fastpasses we didn't wait in a line for the whole rest of our trip. (IT issues, so they just kept giving us more)
Since we already owned VGF and RIV this summer, there was a strong incentive to get RIV which came out to a little less because of the later expiration date. Ultimately we wanted to be able to spend Christmas at VGF which is kind of ridiculous points, so we decided to add more points there. But seeing the booking frenzy that is December at VGF in all room categories - this year worse than all years past- I am wondering if we made the right decision. I think we did, but it was still WAY easier to get what we wanted at RIV for New Years.
We do love the Skyliner, but if Disney had put in a cabal with a boat option,
I know this was just a typo, but I am pretty sure it was the Disney cabal that came up with the resale restrictions in the first place!