Disappointing Adult Cruise On The Dream

Oh, it is so hard to know what to do! Right now we have both DCL and Princess booked. We don't want to spend the $ to do a veranda on DCL so we have an inside stateroom booked. My thought was that even if we were a little bored on Princess, at least we could sit on the veranda and look at the scenery and read. But my heart is definitely with DCL.

We'll keep them both booked until after our August DCL cruise on the Magic - I think then we'll know if we still want the Disney touches (kid is now 15 so has moved on from some things) or whether we are OK with trying something new. The Princess cruise we've booked leaves from Seattle which is also a bonus for us - cheaper flights and a city we want to visit with our kid anyway. But it is hard for sure.
Personally, I would want a veranda for an Alaskan cruise. True, one does spend a lot of time on deck watching the glaciers and such, but pretty much all the scenery during the daylight hours is beautiful, and it’s an extra treat to see it from your stateroom.
 
Oh, it is so hard to know what to do! Right now we have both DCL and Princess booked. We don't want to spend the $ to do a veranda on DCL so we have an inside stateroom booked. My thought was that even if we were a little bored on Princess, at least we could sit on the veranda and look at the scenery and read. But my heart is definitely with DCL.

We'll keep them both booked until after our August DCL cruise on the Magic - I think then we'll know if we still want the Disney touches (kid is now 15 so has moved on from some things) or whether we are OK with trying something new. The Princess cruise we've booked leaves from Seattle which is also a bonus for us - cheaper flights and a city we want to visit with our kid anyway. But it is hard for sure.
I’m going down memory lane of AK cruises here:

2011, late May, DCL (sideways interior) RT Vancouver. Classic Inner Passage ports of Juneau, Skagway, Ketchikan. Tracy Arm Fjord to ?Sawyer Glacier.

2012, late June, Island Princess (obstructed oceanview) Southbound from Anchorage/ Whittier to Vancouver, then ferry to Victoria for Butchart Gardens and hydrofoil to Seattle for overnight and sight-seeing.

2013, early July, Diamond Princess (interiors x2 for solo rooms, because they were cheap) Northbound Seattle to Anchorage/ Whittier, followed by train to Fairbanks, yes! (Add on two hotel nights, not cruise land package). College Fjord is more thrilling than Glacier Bay- a better concentration of glaciers v a large, spread out bay. But we had both.

2015, mid May Crown Princess (balcony) RT Seattle. One of the few times I have used a balcony, mainly in Glacier Bay.

2021, early September, NCL Encore RT Seattle. Solo cabin Interior, designated area for solos. Covid restrictions. No required 4-hour stop (usually arrive 7 pm) in Victoria. Glacier Bay, Icy Strait Point.


Having spent $6K for my niece to honeymoon in a balcony on Disney in 2018, Princess seems like a steal. They’re going back this month, on Disney, but interior for price. We introduced her husband to DCL; he’s a fan, now.

This is a big reason we have cruised Princess to Alaska; their sale prices are excellent. (That is price pp +$269 taxes.). Usually closer to sail date. Doesn’t always work for those with kids in school. I think all 3 Princess AK cruise we took we’re booked somewhat late.
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My sister cruised the British Isles on Princess, 12 nights. After a recent 8-night cruise to the Southern Caribbean on Disney, she said she didn’t need Disney for port-intensive cruises anymore. She will be on Cunard this summer for a 10-night AK cruise. But Disney is still booked for CC DD with LC@LP and then the Treasure.

We are not casino nor party people. We play trivia, watch movies (Disney does win on the aspect of choice of films; usually less violent or salacious.) FunnelVision late night and Buena Vista Theater are my favorite cruise movie situations. Princess Movies Under the Stars is nice, but they are a bit more adult (The Avengers, Skyfall). We eat, sleep, look at the scenery, and visit each port stop. We have done a lot of fun excursions, having saved money on cruise fare to soften the blow of those costs.

When the nieces went to AK, they were 15, 18, and 20. They had each other for playmates. If your kid needs external companionship, that could be a deciding factor. It comes down to only two days at Sea where ship time needs all-day entertainment.

Seattle departures allow us to use companion flies free offers from our credit cards. And usually find a lower hotel option. We love both Seattle and Vancouver, so that isn’t a deciding factor. And we love the train from Seattle to Vancouver if needed.

Well, that’s a mouthful; probably does nothing but muddy your waters.
 
Countless Disney Cruises only one sour experience.

Wife is an Oncology nurse and it's a critical speciality in her state of the art treatment University Hospital.
We were waiting in the embarkation line and her phone lit up, her hospital, short handed begging her to come in.
Kindest human being that ever lived. It's an important request, she headed for Uber, to the airport and to work.

So there was the DBC boarding alone.
They put me at the singles dining table with the most fantastic people I ever encountered. One of the best experiences of my life.

Several girls from England that booked separately were seated as well and they had our wait staff once before. One waiter obnoxious. Sorry to say, but the guy was just plain out of line. Atmosphere went sideways real quick.

I was appointed the Scottish Uncle to go deal with it.
I did, he met me in one of the bars and we had a talk. The server straightened out. One of those guys that never can hold on to a girlfriend and can't figure out why.
Just doesn't get it.

DCL tipping position jobs are prized in the industry. One complaint and they are off at the next port.

I tip $15 a day each to the servers, the room attendant and a few others on board.
I go to the guest services and they give me extra gratuity envelopes.

We never saw our Maître d on this trip and that might have been part of the problem.
He finally showed up for a minute on the last night of the Voyage.

I gave the two waiters their tips and also handed them the Maître d's envelope and told them to split it and keep it confidential.

We'll never cruise any other line but DCL.

I have never heard this term before. What is it? Google has failed to provide an answer.

I think this got lost in the shuffle but I assumed that the guy is Scottish (who as a culture are known for being kind of tough) and a generation older than the young ladies who were being harassed by the waiter and acted in the role of a protective "Uncle" by taking the waiter aside and telling him to cut the crap.

I can’t find Scottish uncle defined, but the term Dutch uncle comes up. Perhaps that would be what is meant.


Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
Dutch un·cle
/ˌdəCH ˈəNGkəl/
noun
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN

noun: Dutch uncle; plural noun: Dutch uncles

  1. a person giving firm but benevolent advice.
    "some you can talk to like a Dutch uncle"​


Dutch uncle

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Dutch_uncle

Dutch uncle is an informal term for a person who issues frank, harsh or severe comments and criticism to educate, encourage or admonish someone.


…But I did like the story.
 
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So there was the DBC boarding alone.
They put me at the singles dining table with the most fantastic people I ever encountered. One of the best experiences of my life.

Several girls from England that booked separately were seated as well and they had our wait staff once before. One waiter obnoxious. Sorry to say, but the guy was just plain out of line. Atmosphere went sideways real quick.

I was appointed the Scottish Uncle to go deal with it.
I did, he met me in one of the bars and we had a talk. The server straightened out. One of those guys that never can hold on to a girlfriend and can't figure out why.
Just doesn't get it.

Perhaps I missed something here because you say you’ll sail on Disney only. Did this interaction with an obnoxious waiter happen on DCL? And then you met the waiter in a guest bar to talk to him?

The first part would be very surprising to me as the idea that a DCL waiter would be inappropriate with young women just seems way out of line from my experiences. The second part is truly unbelievable. I cannot imagine a waiter going to a guest bar to have a conversation with a guest.
 
My husband and I were on the Dream early May, two weeks ago. We've only sailed DCL and this was our third time, previous cruise was 16 years ago. Agree with the poster, the food quality needs improvement and we also felt rushed at dinner. Our waiter got a little annoyed when we were ordering because we picked appetizer and salad but were still deciding about entree, I didn't like that. Brunch at Remy and dinner at Palo were great but then after eating there you really don't want to go back to main dining. I wish we had skipped Animator's and gone for burgers from grill place instead but we didn't know food was going to be that bad (just so bland taste) and the restaurant was packed, felt so crowded. I missed the old theming, when it went from B&W to color, that was a lot better than the "show" they do now.

Other than that we enjoyed the cruise, the adult areas were great, the District bars were nicely done and the drinks quality was very good. Also loved Cove Cafe. We had fun playing Bingo, we only got to see the show Wish and enjoyed.
We didn't think debarkation was bad at all. We had our luggage, skipped breakfast and left around 7:30am. It was not crowded then.
 
Sailing DCL Alaska in 10 days and got an outside room so we could at least look out the window, as the price difference for verandah was too much for us. Allows us to splurge a bit more on the excursions.

We have only sailed DCL (this is cruise #6) and we love the product. We looked hard at other lines when we did a Mediterranean cruise a couple of years ago, but decided the comfort and level of service was worth the extra. And we buy Disney gift cards to pay for the entire cruise and onboard charges, so that’s close to a 10% discount plus the onboard booking discount makes the prices pretty comparable to other lines.

3 of our cruises have been adults only and we love the adult entertainment and areas on the ships. Yes, there are kids and we enjoy watching the character interactions but stay away from the main pool and early dining.

We only have so much vacation time and dollars to spend and our experiences on DCL have been fantastic, so not going to venture out to another line right now, but not ruling out that possibility in the future.
 
Hey everyone!

First of all, my wife and I are huge Disney fans, happy DVC owners, and don’t have kids. Over the last several years, I’ve read a bunch of enthusiastic reviews of Disney Cruise Line, listened to equally glowing podcasts from podcasters turned travel agents, and watched endless positive YouTube videos on the subject. Having done my homework, I thought it would be fun, prior to a DVC vacation at WDW, to take a five night cruise on the Dream in late April of this year. Alas, our experience failed to match, or even come close, to our expectations.

Having sailed on pretty much all the cruise lines, we’re pretty experienced cruisers. I thought it would be helpful to list some positive and negatives concerning our experience. I’m also genuinely curious if we’re being too critical, or perhaps making unfair judgements. There were, of course, tons of kids and families who were obviously having a great time.

THE GOOD

1. The design of our ship was beautiful. The central atrium is a wonder to behold. The woodwork and attention to detail throughout the ship, as well as all the fun paintings and artwork, made the environment feel really special. Our cabin, a balcony veranda, though small, was clean, well maintained, and nicely designed.

2. Service and friendliness were mostly superlative. Almost every crew member seemed happy to be there, and was always happy to answer questions and help out. Our stateroom attendants were great.

3. Our two ports, Grand Cayman and Castaway Cay, were beautiful and a blast to visit.

4. The shows were fun. Loved the fireworks!

5. Dinner at Palo was delicious. What a nice spot to have a meal!

6. The adult area at the front of the ship was quiet and nice. When it got windy, though, it would close and there was really nowhere else to go. The adult only pool wasn’t really for us because it was crowded and loud.


THE BAD

1. Of course we were prepared for lots of kids, but the main pool area on sea days was almost unbelievably crowded with a solid, monumentally packed together mass of kids and families. This being Disney, it’s probably not a fair criticism, but for us it was really off putting. We stayed away from it.

2. The food in the dining rooms and Cabanas, the buffet, was below average. As I’ve mentioned, we’ve been on almost every cruise line. I don’t think we were wrong to expect better from Disney.

3. My wife and I were lucky to get a table for two for the early seating. But it was made clear to us that this is normally almost impossible, so we shouldn’t ever expect it again. That alone would keep us away in the future. Why was it even listed as a request on the pre cruise app?

4. The atrium, though beautiful, is under utilized. On other cruise lines it’s the lively center of the ship, where something is always happening, and there is fun to be had. On the Dream it seemed like a big, weird dead space, mostly empty during the day except for character meet and greets.

5. The adult bar entertainment area, “The District,” was a series of windowless dark caverns. Weird.

THE UGLY

1. Every meal in the dining rooms was incredibly rushed. Food was delivered almost instantaneously and replaced with the next dish almost immediately after it was finished, so the experience was never particularly pleasant or relaxing. I guess that’s better than waiting forever, as we occasionally have on other lines, but still not optimum.

2. Our waiter and assistant waiter were friendly and competent, which was fine, but didn’t really go out of their way to make the dining experience special. Not great, but no big deal. But on the second to last night of the cruise, they both walked up to the table with stern, concerned expressions and stood there awkwardly. After a long uncomfortable pause, they launched into an long uncomfortable dissertation on the fact that we would be receiving a questionnaire in our state room, and, pretty much, their jobs, well being, and potential contract renewals depended on us giving them all 10s.

We’ve all had this from sales people in other environments, but on a Disney ship, on vacation, in the middle of dinner? For us, this was beyond weird and we really didn’t like it. It made us as uncomfortable as they obviously were. And, of course, we were manipulated into promising them the scores they wanted. Of course this falls on Disney creating a ship board culture where crew members are forced to do this, but still. Guests should not be put in this situation. And it made us wonder how much darkness lies behind the magic.

3. Debarkation. A mad, chaotic, crowded, disorganized nightmare and the worst we’ve ever experienced. The atrium and lower levels were packed with what felt like thousands of people and their luggage, milling about, not knowing what to do, pressing against each other, jostling about. The buffet, Cabanas, was inexplicably closed, unlike any other cruise ship that we’ve ever sailed on, so guests were forced to lug their bags down to breakfast in the dining rooms, leave them indiscriminately piled up outside, then lug them (at least for us) up a deck to wait in an endless, snaking line to disembark. It felt almost apocalyptic. Why would Disney ever allow this to happen??

I actually asked a female crew member, who seemed to have some responsibility, if it was always like this. She snapped, “there are four thousand people on the ship, I think you’ll survive.”

Uh yeah, I guess I’ll survive, and that was the last magical memory my wife and I had interacting with a cast member.

Anyway, that’s my story! But both my wife and I are genuinely curious. Are we overreacting? Are we being too critical? We still have some positive memories from it, and frankly hate to carry away any negativity. And, for what’s it’s worth, we took the Brightline up to Orlando (great experience), and are now having a great time at WDW!
You know what amazes me is everything I read here is quite true. As a someone who has cruised on Disney many times there are just those die hard
I wonder if the crew just changed over on the Dream before they head to Europe. It would explain some of the issues with timing and everything.

I don't remember disembarkation on my first cruise, which was on the Dream. Getting off the Wish was a breeze, but we were one of the earlier groups off the ship. The worst part was trying to find our luggage at the port.
You know what amazes me is that when I read this post I couldn’t help but think about how I to have experience the same things. Then as I was reading some of the comments I kept thinking no matter how much the quality or service continues to decline and the cost continues to go up the die hard Disney people out there will never admit that Disney is starting to deliver a low quality product for what they charge and this Disney culture will continue to defend this low quality product this company is giving to the bitter end. Don’t get me wrong I have sailed Disney many times and notice the decline in service which some in the the Disney bubble would call the Disney Magic. It is strictly my opinion and yes I know the joke about that but anyway I have seen the decline in service and the up charges after Covid. I understand Disney is a business out to make money and yes they did take a big during this time but when is enough enough. It’s getting to point that an average family can not afford a Disney vacation anymore. After 20 years of Disney World and Disney Cruise we now are giving other cruise lines a look and other theme parks which are half the cost and honestly better value for the money.
At one point Disney was in my blood……
 
You know what amazes me is everything I read here is quite true. As a someone who has cruised on Disney many times there are just those die hard

You know what amazes me is that when I read this post I couldn’t help but think about how I to have experience the same things. Then as I was reading some of the comments I kept thinking no matter how much the quality or service continues to decline and the cost continues to go up the die hard Disney people out there will never admit that Disney is starting to deliver a low quality product for what they charge and this Disney culture will continue to defend this low quality product this company is giving to the bitter end. Don’t get me wrong I have sailed Disney many times and notice the decline in service which some in the the Disney bubble would call the Disney Magic. It is strictly my opinion and yes I know the joke about that but anyway I have seen the decline in service and the up charges after Covid. I understand Disney is a business out to make money and yes they did take a big during this time but when is enough enough. It’s getting to point that an average family can not afford a Disney vacation anymore. After 20 years of Disney World and Disney Cruise we now are giving other cruise lines a look and other theme parks which are half the cost and honestly better value for the money.
At one point Disney was in my blood……
The problem with saying something like this is “true” is that perception can and does vary person to person. OP felt the food is is “average” at best—I love the food at both. OP felt dinner service is rushed. I love when our dining team is efficient as it is hard to get kids to sit through a long meal. OP felt the atrium seemed “dead”—I think it is beautiful and enjoy seeing characters there, and often they have live music in the atrium too which is lovely. You feel there has been an overall “decline” post covid—we have been on three cruises pre-covid and five post-covid and I really see no difference or trend. The problem is these while facts may be true, the experience of them are opinions and feelings. It’s not that we won’t “admit” that disney is a low quality product, it is that you and OP feel it is low quality and I feel it is the best possible quality.

This is not unique to disney cruises by any means. My parents for example loved an all inclusive resort we went with them to in Mexico and for me it was the worst vacation of my life. We all ate at the same restaurants, had identical rooms and resort amenities, and came away completely different takeaways. It just boils down to preferences.
 
I've never witnessed nor have my fiends and I have to jump in and help the crew break up a brawl on a Disney Ship. I can rely we'll at the least once during summer see someone(s) handcuffed and handed off to the police at the next Port on a Carnival or Celib.

Ya meet the nicest people on a Disney Cruise. Nicest crew and employees/cast members.
 
I've never witnessed nor have my fiends and I have to jump in and help the crew break up a brawl on a Disney Ship. I can rely we'll at the least once during summer see someone(s) handcuffed and handed off to the police at the next Port on a Carnival or Celib.

Ya meet the nicest people on a Disney Cruise. Nicest crew and employees/cast members.
You might be surprised with Disney… the was a great thread a while back called something like “What’s the craziest thing you’ve ever seen on a Disney cruise.” It was wild!!!! 😜

There are nutty people everywhere.
 
You know what amazes me is everything I read here is quite true. As a someone who has cruised on Disney many times there are just those die hard

You know what amazes me is that when I read this post I couldn’t help but think about how I to have experience the same things. Then as I was reading some of the comments I kept thinking no matter how much the quality or service continues to decline and the cost continues to go up the die hard Disney people out there will never admit that Disney is starting to deliver a low quality product for what they charge and this Disney culture will continue to defend this low quality product this company is giving to the bitter end. Don’t get me wrong I have sailed Disney many times and notice the decline in service which some in the the Disney bubble would call the Disney Magic. It is strictly my opinion and yes I know the joke about that but anyway I have seen the decline in service and the up charges after Covid. I understand Disney is a business out to make money and yes they did take a big during this time but when is enough enough. It’s getting to point that an average family can not afford a Disney vacation anymore. After 20 years of Disney World and Disney Cruise we now are giving other cruise lines a look and other theme parks which are half the cost and honestly better value for the money.
At one point Disney was in my blood……
Personally, I think a lot of folks who have sailed exclusively with DCL might be pleasantly surprised by both the value and in some categories, in my opinion, considerably higher quality (especially the food and varied dining options) offered by other lines. On some of the competing larger ships, the kids areas are pretty spectacular, and there are also a lot more adult areas and activities.
 
The problem with saying something like this is “true” is that perception can and does vary person to person. OP felt the food is is “average” at best—I love the food at both. OP felt dinner service is rushed. I love when our dining team is efficient as it is hard to get kids to sit through a long meal. OP felt the atrium seemed “dead”—I think it is beautiful and enjoy seeing characters there, and often they have live music in the atrium too which is lovely. You feel there has been an overall “decline” post covid—we have been on three cruises pre-covid and five post-covid and I really see no difference or trend. The problem is these while facts may be true, the experience of them are opinions and feelings. It’s not that we won’t “admit” that disney is a low quality product, it is that you and OP feel it is low quality and I feel it is the best possible quality.

This is not unique to disney cruises by any means. My parents for example loved an all inclusive resort we went with them to in Mexico and for me it was the worst vacation of my life. We all ate at the same restaurants, had identical rooms and resort amenities, and came away completely different takeaways. It just boils down to preferences.
Point taken not every type of vacation is for everyone and believe me I’m not trying to take that away. But when I started going to Disney in 2000 and every year after that (some times twice in the same year) there was always this magic you felt, couldn’t sleep the night before leaving, then once there weather on a cruise or in a park you felt like kid, someone special. Disney just had a way of treating you this way….. but over the years they have just taken that away, everything is an up charge that feeling just isn’t there no more.
 
You might be surprised with Disney… the was a great thread a while back called something like “What’s the craziest thing you’ve ever seen on a Disney cruise.” It was wild!!!! 😜

There are nutty people everywhere.
Agree. It’s not like people going on DCL are better behaved or classier than anyone else. I have seen plenty of questionable behavior from adults on DCL and in the parks.

I have to find that thread now for some entertainment…
 
Personally, I think a lot of folks who have sailed exclusively with DCL might be pleasantly surprised by both the value and in some categories, in my opinion, considerably higher quality (especially the food and varied dining options) offered by other lines. On some of the competing larger ships, the kids areas are pretty spectacular, and there are also a lot more adult areas and activities.
The thing is, I go on Disney cruises because I want the Disney theming and characters. Yes, I could sail for cheaper on another line and get a better value, but I know I would be missing Disney the entire time. For other people, it doesn't matter, and that's absolutely fine because there are dozens of cruise lines to fit every desire.
 
I've never witnessed nor have my fiends and I have to jump in and help the crew break up a brawl on a Disney Ship. I can rely we'll at the least once during summer see someone(s) handcuffed and handed off to the police at the next Port on a Carnival or Celib.

Ya meet the nicest people on a Disney Cruise. Nicest crew and employees/cast members.

We encountered the worst behavior I've seen on a cruise on a Disney cruise a few years ago. It was AWFUL and completely ruined the theater show that night for us. CM's had to get involved and it was ugly.

This argument that Disney somehow attracts a different clientele just doesn't hold water. I see fights break out all the time at WDW (esp during the summer) and I'm sure Six Flags and Busch Gardens have their fair share, too. It's a reflection on society, not the brand we've paid to experience.

(Though... I might argue that Disney prompts even more bad behavior due to everyone feeling they paid so much to experience it that they have more of a sense of entitlement - the sense of entitlement on my last Disney cruise was overwhelming at times)
 
This argument that Disney somehow attracts a different clientele just doesn't hold water. I see fights break out all the time at WDW
I’ve spent a lot of time, I mean a lot of time, at WDW and that has not been my experience.

The only incident that stands out was a shouting match between two guests on a bus. I did intervene and it ended peacefully.
 
I’ve spent a lot of time, I mean a lot of time, at WDW and that has not been my experience.

The only incident that stands out was a shouting match between two guests on a bus. I did intervene and it ended peacefully.
Maybe we are extremely unlucky but on our weekly visits we have been far too close to two fist fights on the ferry and one near physical fight in line for the ferry that security could not get to (it was TERRIFYING as there was nowhere to go and we had a small child with us, and the two groups couldn't get away from each other either!). Thankfully on the ferry we could distance ourselves.

Haven't witnessed any physical fights at other parks but several screaming matches at Epcot, once in a line where no CM's were present (Test Track design room).

I do not get involved.

(Every one of those was during the hottest time of the year - everyone is so much happier in the cooler months 😂)
 
The thing is, I go on Disney cruises because I want the Disney theming and characters. Yes, I could sail for cheaper on another line and get a better value, but I know I would be missing Disney the entire time. For other people, it doesn't matter, and that's absolutely fine because there are dozens of cruise lines to fit every desire.
Totally agree! But, for the price of a Disney cruise, I actually don’t think I was getting enough of the quality that I expect from Disney. In that sense, I didn’t get enough Disney from Disney. For luxury resort prices, on the cruise I felt like I was staying at a moderate, even though all the theming and characters were of course fun.
 

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