European Union will bar travelers from the US (and others). US does not make the cut, too out of control

The first place I read this news was on Facebook this evening and as usual, the comments didn't disappoint me. The first one was, "Thanks, Obama". I laughed until I had tears. But then I realized they might be serious. I don't blame other countries for blaming us. My husband has dual citizenship with Canada and I believe last I heard he is allowed to cross but he then would have to quarantine for two weeks (in Canada). I'm not sure if he would be allowed back in or not. I do miss traveling but I'm happy to stay healthy. I hope they are able to come up with a vaccine soon.
 
I have no problem with the EU banning the US and yes our numbers are going up. I wear a mask when I go out because I personally think it is helpful. The only people I can control is me and mine. What I do believe is missing in this situation on BOTH SIDES of the discussion is any sense of humbleness. I have never seen people be so prideful since this started, I see it every day on these threads. It is certainly a sign of the times that we live in and my favorite book even wrote about it.


I don't understand the "what other people do doesn't bother me" attitude in this circumstance. Public safety is on the line.

I don't think it's prideful to believe the science that your mask doesn't really do that much to protect you from inhaling droplets, and that the majority of the purpose of wearing it is because it protects others from your exhalation of the droplets. It's not prideful to realize that by wearing one you are protecting others and that those who don't wear them are not willing to protect you. Where's the pride? I see hurt and anger.

I've kept wearing my mask regardless, but I'm happy masks are now required in my state so I can be more protected.
 
I have 2 trips to America cancelled. You’re correct about the Net loss of tourism revenue Your country will experience.

I would imagine the border between Canada and the US will open before many other countries open their borders to US travelers. We'll see though. I had tickets to an event in Toronto in March that was postponed until the end of September. Not sure if it will happen, but even if it does, I'm not sure I will be able to attend.
 


I’m sorry. The world knows it’s not all of you.
Thank you from your border neighbor.
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Maybe it will keep travel money in the US and keep Americans off of planes for hours and hours, not really seeing any downside.
I guess some are sad, I'm not one of them - seems a good idea all around.
You know it's ten-plus hours by plane from Maine to Hawaii, right? So an EU travel ban against the United States won't necessarily "keep Americans of of planes for hours and hours", right?
Ummm...acknowledging your response.

I agree. We definitely have a mess. Not a safe or pleasant time to visit this country.
The article given the thumbs up did NOT - repeat, did not - reference any EU ban against the UnIted States; therefore, entirely off topic; therefore inappropriate, and surely not worthy of thumbs-up on this thread.

Disingenuity isn't becoming.
 
What I think is strange is the article said China will be allowed to enter AS long as China allows EU to enter. Isn’t China where this whole mess started.
It doesn’t matter where it started. It matters where it’s spiking right now.

I think it’s fair to have an agreement where two (or more) countries have borders open to each other both ways.
 
I'm just going to copy some of what I wrote on another post where someone felt that the world sees the US as the 'laughingstock', rather than paraphrase what I wrote there. I see this as graduation from school - many countries are moving to the next level, but some countries are not there yet and may need to attend remedial class for a bit longer. We'll be waiting for you when you are ready to join us.

... As to 'laughingstock', I would have to disagree. I have however seen posters the few times I read here who seem to react with smugness, Schadenfreude, or some sense of victory as if this is a competition. Certainly my circle does not react that way. Nor does the media I reference. We look at the US, and at Brazil, and we feel for you and hope the path you are on leads quickly to better outcomes.

The reality is that the world needs the United States, from an economic standpoint. We need you to be healthy, and successful, and on the path towards a better future. We are all intertwined, but if we don't have the United States economy, we have to adapt quite a bit in future. Interestingly, Merkel actually said to the media today that the US may no longer want to be a world power.

Each country has had to find its own path and its own exit strategy and future. We can share and learn from each other, and the politics of leadership is not the main reason why a country is successful. Look at the centre-right Germany, vs the socialist/far left alliance leading Portugal. Both had and continue to have good outcomes, with contact tracing, testing, isolating outbreaks, etc. The DIS-much-hated term 'socialist' government in Portugal acted very early to extend free health care to the many illegal immigrants (which could be half a million people) Germany has the most ICU beds per capita, and Portugal the least. Germany is in the richest countries in Europe, Portugal in the poorest. Yet the outcomes are similar.

Interestingly, one area where the US seems to have fared better is in non-COVID related healthcare. The for profit system means that hospitals and doctors have an interest to continue with non-emergent surgeries, whilst in countries where we have a public health care system we are now sorely behind on testing and treatment for cancer etc as we put non-emergent things aside to deal with the pandemic.

The quarantine/lockdowns were also very different, and I said that a few months ago here. What many in the US called a 'lockdown' was so open in relation to much of the rest of the world. But it was simply a different path, and we can now learn what worked and what did not work. There is concern that the harsh measures in many countries were not needed, and that Europe will take longer to recover economically than China and the US, even if we had better outcomes. (I don't include the UK as 'Europe' as a note)
 
I'm just going to copy some of what I wrote on another post where someone felt that the world sees the US as the 'laughingstock', rather than paraphrase what I wrote there. I see this as graduation from school - many countries are moving to the next level, but some countries are not there yet and may need to attend remedial class for a bit longer. We'll be waiting for you when you are ready to join us.

... As to 'laughingstock', I would have to disagree. I have however seen posters the few times I read here who seem to react with smugness, Schadenfreude, or some sense of victory as if this is a competition. Certainly my circle does not react that way. Nor does the media I reference. We look at the US, and at Brazil, and we feel for you and hope the path you are on leads quickly to better outcomes.

The reality is that the world needs the United States, from an economic standpoint. We need you to be healthy, and successful, and on the path towards a better future. We are all intertwined, but if we don't have the United States economy, we have to adapt quite a bit in future. Interestingly, Merkel actually said to the media today that the US may no longer want to be a world power.

Each country has had to find its own path and its own exit strategy and future. We can share and learn from each other, and the politics of leadership is not the main reason why a country is successful. Look at the centre-right Germany, vs the socialist/far left alliance leading Portugal. Both had and continue to have good outcomes, with contact tracing, testing, isolating outbreaks, etc. The DIS-much-hated term 'socialist' government in Portugal acted very early to extend free health care to the many illegal immigrants (which could be half a million people) Germany has the most ICU beds per capita, and Portugal the least. Germany is in the richest countries in Europe, Portugal in the poorest. Yet the outcomes are similar.

Interestingly, one area where the US seems to have fared better is in non-COVID related healthcare. The for profit system means that hospitals and doctors have an interest to continue with non-emergent surgeries, whilst in countries where we have a public health care system we are now sorely behind on testing and treatment for cancer etc as we put non-emergent things aside to deal with the pandemic.

The quarantine/lockdowns were also very different, and I said that a few months ago here. What many in the US called a 'lockdown' was so open in relation to much of the rest of the world. But it was simply a different path, and we can now learn what worked and what did not work. There is concern that the harsh measures in many countries were not needed, and that Europe will take longer to recover economically than China and the US, even if we had better outcomes. (I don't include the UK as 'Europe' as a note)
As always your posts are measured, well thought out, insightful and kind. Thank you!
 
I don't understand the "what other people do doesn't bother me" attitude in this circumstance. Public safety is on the line.

I don't think it's prideful to believe the science that your mask doesn't really do that much to protect you from inhaling droplets, and that the majority of the purpose of wearing it is because it protects others from your exhalation of the droplets. It's not prideful to realize that by wearing one you are protecting others and that those who don't wear them are not willing to protect you. Where's the pride? I see hurt and anger.

I've kept wearing my mask regardless, but I'm happy masks are now required in my state so I can be more protected.

Exactly, there isn't any debate to be had here. If you're out anywhere in this country indoors with strangers and not wearing a mask you are being willfully ignorant. It has nothing to do with your 1st amendment rights. If you have something that you need to say....speak up a tiny bit more than usual, and we'll all hear you.
 
Though I understand there reasoning for borders closing it angers me.. Free movement of people for me is a basic right. I feel like the Berlin went up again and people are not allowed to travel and are blocked to see loved one. It's not all about vacation or traveling to WDW, it's connecting business and families. . It is simply heartbreaking. There are businesses and FAMILIES that depend on open borders and air travel to see their loved ones. This will be the first summer I will not see my family and that is heartbreaking. I am honestly a bit relieved my dad passed away from Cancer before Covid. . Having to deal with a dying loved one overseas and not being able to visit then due to borders closing would be something I would not be able to handle. My cousin has a grandchild he hasnt seen in 2 years and he doesnt know when he will see him next.. ( he lives in the EU, son and grandchild in Australia.

Even the WHO and other health departments have stated once a virus reaches global Pandemic levels, restriction of travel is basically pointless. The virus is everywhere and controlling it locally and stopping community spread is key, not keeping the few "foreignors" out. The horse is out of the barn for this..

Unless a nation has ZERO cases and waterlocks their borders, keeping others out is not going to keep local cases down when locally bars are open and people are allowed to gather in large groups.
 
Yup, and they are following the science and are 100% right in doing so. Our leaders have let us down more than I could have ever imagined as an American. To my fellow countrywomen and men who are following the rules....stay tough, stay safe because we're going to be in this for awhile. To those of you who aren't following the rules....I have no words left.....other than.....grow up.
All of the EU didn't follow the same guidelines. Many of their cases just peaked earlier than ours (Italy, for example), and they have far less obesity (a major risk factor) in Europe than in the U.S.

Sweden was supposed to be a hotbed of coronavirus transmission because they didn't take our hunker down approach. Interesting how much better they're doing than we are...
 
I don't understand the "what other people do doesn't bother me" attitude in this circumstance. Public safety is on the line.

I don't think it's prideful to believe the science that your mask doesn't really do that much to protect you from inhaling droplets, and that the majority of the purpose of wearing it is because it protects others from your exhalation of the droplets. It's not prideful to realize that by wearing one you are protecting others and that those who don't wear them are not willing to protect you. Where's the pride? I see hurt and anger.

I've kept wearing my mask regardless, but I'm happy masks are now required in my state so I can be more protected.

I never said it doesn’t bother me what others do; you must be speaking about someone else. I said I can’t control what others do....if you can that’s great.

As far as pride is concerned I am speaking to the attitude in the world today about how everyone thinks they know better than anyone else and there is very little room for reasonable discussion without either side ultimately being disrespectful of others opinions. As I stated before very little humbleness left in the world. I will leave it at that.
 
I agree, although it does pain me to have so few options for holidays. Our borders have been closed since March to everyone and there's no projected date when the restrictions will lift. We can't even freely travel from province-to-province. Each one has it's own public health orders in place and in several, visitors from other provinces have to self-isolate for 14 days upon arrival.


If you live in Atlantic Canada you can travel freely between the four provinces but everyone else must self-isolate for 14 days.

We've postponed a Christmas trip to Florida and at the rate things are happening there, the March trip may be postponed as well. We usually head to Maine once or twice a year as well and that won't be happening until the border reopens.
 
being mindful of Dis rules, my thoughts are

1. The EU will ban USA visitors starting in July
2. The USA Government will review the the EU travel ban created in March
3. Diplomats from both sides will work to resolve this
4. The rollback and containment measures that states are restarting in June will start to work
5. Sometime in August there will be a joint EU and USA lifting of travel bans.

While the EU is very much science and data driven in their decisions and the USA travel ban is a result of data . However some in USA Government may take it as a personal affront and not agree with the loss of free travel. Therefore in my opinion, those in USA Government who see this as restricting their civil liberties will make sure that the travel bans are removed.
 

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