I also see in other groups online, many families who are highly distressed over the idea they could be turned down when they get there. I imagine for some people who have this fear that their child or party member is somehow "not disabled enough" that they will be relievedHonestly, I wonder the same thing. We use DAS for my daughter and don’t have issues approaching a CM for services, but I know the change will make it easier for some people that aren’t comfortable with or have difficulty approaching a CM. I hope Disney has worked out a way to do this that will make it easier to utilize the service without increasing the incentive for dishonest people to use it without necessity.
Interesting to see how this plays out.. We loved MP and we’re happy to pay for it to avoid long lines. I’m curious which attractions other than RSR will have the pay per option attached to it. This also makes me more will to spend the big bucks to go to WDW since one of the huge drawbacks for us was FP+
Of course I think Disney is looking at additional revenue streams, but I also think FastPass wasn't working as well with the crowds of today. FastPass slows down the standby lane, every person using fastpass is one person reducing the capacity of the ride for handling the standby line. Now yes, people that have the fastpass have a good experience, but people that don't have fastpass are now waiting even longer in the standby line because of the "reduced capacity" to serve the line. Disney could probably have limited the amount of fastpasses they handed out for each ride, but then the popular ones would disappear instantly. It probably made guests more frustrated or feeling like the park was insanely busy to see RSR return window of 7:15pm to 8:15pm when they go to pull at fastpass at 10am in the morning.I was all good with this option, but not that they got rid of regular fastpasses. A paid option is ok but don't take away our free stuff!!!
NEVERMIND, I took a screenshot from the video. It does seem like G+ will require you to complete the experience before booking another G+ reservation:
I highlighted the text after the G+ selection was made.
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If it's as simple as "you have to scan into one to use the next one," then yes, this will definitely be true, and probably is part of what they're hoping for.I’ll admit, that might actually be better for casual guests. But it limits how effective a “MaxPass expert” can be. Interesting.
So my guess is that we are pretty much looking at the list for Genie+ when we review the list of previous fastpass rides. Obviously RSR and I'm guessing anywhere from 1 to 3 additional rides (I wouldn't be shocked if Indy was one) will be pulled out for the even more up-charge tier. And they might decide to put Pirates or Jungle Cruise or Monsters Inc. or something else into the Genie+ based on whatever internal metrics they are using and to keep the attractions number on Genie+ always "more than 15". They don't even necessarily have to keep the Genie+ or additional charge choices static. With the handhelds they give the CMs now, they could add or remove any ride they want from either list though they are more challenged in parts of Disneyland due to space constraints. Where do you put all those Peter Pan lightning lane people when they show up after paying their $15 per ride for instance? And, no, no one said Peter Pan is on either of these lists for Disneyland, but can't you just see it being eyed as a possibility?
Yeah, would be nice to see what else it says in the area covered by "View My Day". Because if you can only get another one after you have used one, that would definitely be worse than MaxPass.The wording seems to continue and is being covered by "View My Day". I imagine it says or until 90 minutes has passed (or something to that effect).
I think Rise and Webslingers are included, too. It could be just two per park, those two plus RSR and Space Mountain. Or one more at each park. I’d be surprised to see many more than that. Maybe if they can figure out how to add Peter Pan…I absolutely had that same thought. On a busy high traffic day they hit a couple buttons and make Indy a paid upgrade and no Genie+ available that day. Now your paid Lightning Lane people use the Genie+ lane to get in. On slower days maybe Indy is a standard Genie+ option and isn't even available for a paid option. Disney now has that hard data because of park reservations. They know before gates open if they're above or below the demand level to slot Indy into a paid option or Genie+ option.
What I'm curious about is how many Lightning Lane options there will be a day. It's hard for me to think that it would be only two, but that would explain why they limit a paid upgrade to only two a day. Disneyland though... I can't see too many options showing up though without drastically watering down your standard Genie+ upgrade. Could Disney really get away with having RSR, GoTG, Indy, and Space Mt as Lightning Lane options and NOT in the Genie+ option? That's a lot of big rides that get removed from your $20/day upgrade. If standby times do decrease in general for most rides, you've really minimized the attractiveness of the $20/day Genie+.
People pay $400 an hour for a tour guide.
That’s what I was getting at here:That's assuming return windows book way out. If you remove the whole free bucket because fastpass is gone, might it be that return windows for most attractions are within 60 to 90 minutes because of the reduced guests tossing $20/day/ticket out there? In that case, holding a max of one at a time might not be that big of an issue. It's only an issue when you grab something that is like 4+ hours away. I would LIKE to think my $20 will unlock a world where 45 minutes to an hour later I'm jumping on a walk on type of deal with my Genie+
Wait in a 30 minute line while I make a reservation with a return window 1 hour away, do my ride and head towards the reservation return, hopefully it's opened up by the time I get there. As soon as I scan in grab another with hopefully a 1 hour or less return window. Complete my ride, jump in another standby line that's 35 minutes long, head to reservation, etc.
Not exactly as tight as MaxPass masters, but could go along way to making that $20 feel a lot more worth it...
Ok. About the "90 minute hold." I got to thinking...
RSR was the main ride that ran far ahead on the return time. We know that one is pay-per-ride. Presumably, they've done that for the other rides that used have far-away return times. (Space Mountain, Toy Story: Midway Mania, Indiana Jones, Matterhorn, GOTG Soarin' would be my top guesses, in that order, based on Maxpass return time data.)
And you'll have way less people using FP. No free ones, no AP add-on (yet)...
So I am guessing that they're thinking that the number of people who will pay $20 for FPs all day = ride times won't be that far away.
If I can buy my way onto Rise and Webslingers holy cow. I hate opening the wallet more for Disney, but as an out of state guest that is spending thousands to travel down for a week and stay on site, I'll toss an extra $15/$20 a ride towards those two attractions so I can ride them a few times during my week. For locals, or people within drive distance that might visit a couple times a year, it's probably way not worth it. My worry is I'll miss a boarding group on one or two days (or more!) while I'm down there. Than my thousands of dollars feels a bit more wasted getting only to experience Rise once or twice across the whole week, or maybe less if I'm super unlucky!I think Rise and Webslingers are included, too. It could be just two per park, those two plus RSR and Space Mountain. Or one more at each park. I’d be surprised to see many more than that. Maybe if they can figure out how to add Peter Pan…