Rumor on one of Pete's Rants

[wdwowner]

According to another podcast that shall remain unnamed, the finger scans at the park entrances will be replaced with the barcode on your Key to the Kingdom card or just swiping you Key to the Kingdom card (much like using your credit card or ATM card).

This will take care of 2 issues, no more finger scans and to speed up entrance lines into the parks.

So Pete, how do you feel about this rumor?

 

[ssawka]

That interesting! Dosen't that mean that tickets could be easily transfered again? (i.e. Tickets will not necessarily be linked to a particular individual?)

 

[lttlmc3]

I can only assume that the big wigs at Disney listened to Pete's rant and said "Crap, they're on to us! We have to think of another way!"

 

[ChelleinNC]

That interesting! Dosen't that mean that tickets could be easily transfered again? (i.e. Tickets will not necessarily be linked to a particular individual?)

That was my first thought! I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens, but I just don't believe that they'll get rid of the finger scanners. Especially since the new ones work so much better/faster/easier.

 

[burberryplaid]

Ohhh you're too quick! I was going to post this because I knew Pete would be happy to hear it.

I hope it's true. One of my things is, if you buy the ticket and can't use it for whatever reason, you should be able to give it to whomever you want (or sell, I suppose)

And the reason they want to get rid of the biometrics is because there is too much bottlenecking at the front gates, so it's not as effective as you would think. I myself can think of a couple of instances last trip where we were "delayed" because we had problems with the scanner. I'm sure the people behind us were annoyed because they were anxious to get inside.

 

[wdwowner]

Does that really matter if they are transfered to someone else?

I would think that as long as everyone one in the park has paid for the day, why should it matter who is using the tickets? Disney will get their money for sure.

If people are using the length of stay tickets with their room then there will be no left overs to pass along.

Big thing is, let's get the people in the parks quicker and have them start shopping and eating food sooner.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Does that really matter if they are transfered to someone else?

I would think that as long as everyone one in the park has paid for the day, why should it matter who is using the tickets? Disney will get their money for sure.

If people are using the length of stay tickets with their room then there will be no left overs to pass along.

Big thing is, let's get the people in the parks quicker and have them start shopping and eating food sooner.

Right, why does it matter? I can see an Annual Pass, but sort of like what Pete was saying about the bottle of wine a few Pod Casts back, if you buy a ticket, you own it, so why can't you share it/give it away? I've never understood this. If the ticket is paid for, why does Disney care if I use or if I give it to my sister, friend, neighbor, or to a stranger on the street?

I'm sure Disney's thinking probably is...if I buy a 10 day non-expiring ticket and only use 5 days and only I can use that ticket, then they ensure that I will mostly likely be back to Disney to use the remaining 5 days and the friend I wanted to give the ticket to will buy her own ticket. But still, I own the ticket I should be able to do with it as I wish.

 

[Dale-Not-Chip]

There was several times on my last trip that after the line backed up they started overriding the scan.

It was just a stupid idea to start with no mater how you feel about the ethics of the system.

Personally I think the bag checks are a waste of time as well. Any bad person who is going up to a plainly visible and well publicized bag check will put their naughty Items elsewhere.

 

[burberryplaid]

Personally I think the bag checks are a waste of time as well. Any bad person who is going up to a plainly visible and well publicized bag check will put their naughty Items elsewhere.

You're probably right, but I think the bag check is done for show to some degree. People "feel safer" if they are doing it and sometimes, they do get lucky and catch someone, for example, the granny who had the gun in her bag. (Now, I'm not saying she meant to do this..but the fact that they caught it does show it can be effective)

 

[ChelleinNC]

And the reason they want to get rid of the biometrics is because there is too much bottlenecking at the front gates, so it's not as effective as you would think. I myself can think of a couple of instances last trip where we were "delayed" because we had problems with the scanner. I'm sure the people behind us were annoyed because they were anxious to get inside.

I've actually been held up more by the tickets not being read right than the finger scans. The tickets de-magnatize quite easily (DD14 is proof, lesson of the day: don't put the ticket with your cell phone )

 

[minie_meese]

I'm sure Disney's thinking probably is....

I am not a cynical person but I am sure Disney has the number of unused days on tickets baked into their bottom line. They are masterful with statistics. That is how they do some of the things they do so well.

The cost of the finger scanning was offset by the extra profits they saw in an increase in unused days and an increase in ticket sales or they would not have bothered. One of the downsides of statistics is you can use the resulting actions like the use of unused days, multiple ticket prices increases per year, holiday surcharges, etc. to make people feel like they are getting "nickel and dimed" to death. This can eventually backfire.

I am in agreement - if you bought a ticket, you should be able to use all of the days on it. I have over-estimated the number of days I've needed on a number of occasions, but unless Disney sees some value to the bottom line in not tying the ticket to the original user, they will continue to tie the user to the ticket. If they did eliminate it, you can be sure an added cost will be passed along to you and me baked into a ticket price increase.

 

[wdwowner]

I am not a cynical person but I am sure Disney has the number of unused days on tickets baked into their bottom line. They are masterful with statistics. That is how they do some of the things they do so well.

I heard a couple years ago a number of 14% (if I remember correctly) was unused tickets with days left that were never used.

 

[wishspirit]

Finally!

Those machines never seemed to work for me anyway, they would allways have to overide!

Maybe i put my fingers in funny the first time, but it never seemed to work!

 

[beachwarmer]

You're probably right, but I think the bag check is done for show to some degree. People "feel safer" if they are doing it and sometimes, they do get lucky and catch someone, for example, the granny who had the gun in her bag. (Now, I'm not saying she meant to do this..but the fact that they caught it does show it can be effective)

My theory is that bag check give security the extra few seconds (okay minutes ) to take a closer look at people to see if anything looks off.

I did see something interesting during bag check at the MK during my Christmas trip. The people ahead of me had their bags checked and went through no problem...and I had everything open and went through quickly after. The people only got about ten step when secondary security went up to them and asked to see something that was on the person's body (not in the bag). The gentleman pulled out a large knife and the entire group of people was escorted away from the entrance by two security official in uniform and a couple of other people that were dressed like tourist.

I think the security that we do not see is the important stuff and rest is for show and to give the others the extra seconds to take a second look.

 

[wishspirit]

The gentleman pulled out a large knife and the entire group of people was escorted away from the entrance by two security official in uniform and a couple of other people that were dressed like tourist.

Geez!

Im glad for that extra couple of minutes then, who brings a knife to Disneyworld?

 

[Dale-Not-Chip]

My wife is the backpack wearer. She has a Vera Bradley backpack Purse and we don't take much in anyway.

My daughter and myself always head to the no pack line. I was wearing shorts with large cargo pockets. Had our camera in there and my wadded up poncho. I was pulled over and was asked to show what's in my pockets.

 

[OKW Lover]

According to another podcast that shall remain unnamed, the finger scans at the park entrances will be replaced with the barcode on your Key to the Kingdom card or just swiping you Key to the Kingdom card (much like using your credit card or ATM card).

This will take care of 2 issues, no more finger scans and to speed up entrance lines into the parks.

So Pete, how do you feel about this rumor?

I guess there are a few things I don't understand about this rumor:

• First, there isn't a barcode on the KttK card that I can recall.
• Second, don't people with admission included in their package already swipe their KttK card? So, how is this different?
• Third, how does the swipe keep people from letting others use their admission? I can imagine people buying a 10 day pass (because the incremental price isn't great) even though they are going for only 5 days and then selling the remaining 5 days. I thought Disney was trying to prevent that.
• Fourth, How does the swipe keep people from "sharing" an AP?

 

[wdwowner]

I guess there are a few things I don't understand about this rumor:

[*]First, there isn't a barcode on the KttK card that I can recall.

I there is not already a barcode then they will start printing one.

[*]Second, don't people with admission included in their package already swipe their KttK card? So, how is this different?

They put in their cards and put their finger on the reader.

[*]Third, how does the swipe keep people from letting others use their admission? I can imagine people buying a 10 day pass (because the incremental price isn't great) even though they are going for only 5 days and then selling the remaining 5 days. I thought Disney was trying to prevent that.

Not sure on that one. There is a large amount of unused days on tickets that are never used.

[*]Fourth, How does the swipe keep people from "sharing" an AP?

If you use your ticket twice within a couple hours you will be asked why you are entering again. This has happened to me when taking things back to the car and then entering again.

 

[OKW Lover]

OK, not trying to be dense but your response doesn't quite fill in the blanks for me.

Why print a bar code on the KttK card when it already has a mag stripe? How would using the bar code instead of the mag stripe change things? If they printed a bar code on them, then wouldn't they would have to add bar code readers to the turnstiles?

Yes, I understand that currently people put their card in the turnstile and do the finger scan. I was asking why they couldn't just dispense with the finger scan already since current KttK cards encode a link to your info on the mag stripe.

I'm sure Disney banks on a lot of un-used days.

If an AP is used twice in a short period wouldn't a perfectly valid response to the question be that you had to run back to the hotel for something?

Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't understand the logic behind this rumor.

 

[Steven41782]

Has anyone heard a rumor that they are going to start a new scanning system for fast passes because of counterfeit copies? Maybe all of these systems are getting mixed up. Only time will tell, but we've never had problems with the finger scans.