Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[DaveNan]

You bookings are exactly how it will work..you won't be able to book your 2nd stay till the 60 day mark.
The new policy is for those that book a "leading or throwaway" room 1-7 days or more out to gain the advantage of getting the hard to get FP's such as FOP and the new SWGE rides.
As long as your not doing that your fine, you will just have a hard time getting the hard to get FP's.

I agree, this is exactly as it has been described for cash reservations. I understand this is not a DVC focused thread, but there have been several comments on the thread that DVC stays would be different. Several members have had conversations with Member Services and were told that DVC split stays would still be viewed as one stay and not impacted by this new/applied rule. This may still be the case, but based on what I have seen, it will require a phone call to MS and manual intervention on MS' part.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

2. Linked the reservation to MDE - could only book FP through 3/25
3. Checked into SSR
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I'm confused. Are you saying that you couldn't see your 60 day window until you did online check in? That would be a change.

My FP day is Tues so I'm not thrilled that there are a bunch of changes going on right now. Queue major MDE problems ...

 

[DaveNan]

I don’t think we know what will happen with leading reservations. From my read, the new policy is primarily targeted toward individuals who use an onsite reservation to open a FP window, but then cancel the reservation and stay offsite.

Well, the process they have in place right now eliminates the advantage of leading reservations. Having one does not open up access to fast passes for the following stay (except for day 1). It now works like ADR's. At 60 days from any stay you can book FP's for that stay/specific reservation only. You cannot book FP's for your next reservation until 60 days from when it starts, even if it is continuous with your previous stay.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Someone made a point earlier in the thread about extra expenses involved in split stays. Moving your luggage, checking you in a second time, etc.

I'm not against split stays, but It's probably easier and more profitable to get you checked into one resort.

Checking in shouldn’t add any extra costs. You can do that on your phone and no matter who is in the room they have to check in. Luggage would be the only possible savings.

I had mentioned that - plus extra set of magic bands plus cost of doing an extra full room refresh vs daily housekeeping

Not a ton of extra cost but there is a little bit extra for split stay vs one single stay - question is would that be offset by people who do Deluxe for a few days and now will stay at moderate or value entire time?

I think Disney just figures they will have no issue with filling rooms after GE opens so they just don’t care that much

 

[Runnsally]

I agree, this is exactly as it has been described for cash reservations. I understand this is not a DVC focused thread, but there have been several comments on the thread that DVC stays would be different. Several members have had conversations with Member Services and were told that DVC split stays would still be viewed as one stay and not impacted by this new/applied rule. This may still be the case, but based on what I have seen, it will require a phone call to MS and manual intervention on MS' part.

Where did you see an actual description of the policy for cash reservations?

 

[DaveNan]

I'm confused. Are you saying that you couldn't see your 60 day window until you did online check in? That would be a change.

My FP day is Tues so I'm not thrilled that there are a bunch of changes going on right now. Queue major MDE problems ...

Yes, that is what I am saying. It could have been just a timing/delay issue, but that was my experience. The reason I tried checking in was I saw a thread a few days ago that several people were not seeing there FP windows open. On that thread they all concluded after checking in, the windows appeared.

 

[Runnsally]

Well, the process they have in place right now eliminates the advantage of leading reservations. Having one does not open up access to fast passes for the following stay (except for day 1). It now works like ADR's. At 60 days from any stay you can book FP's for that stay/specific reservation only. You cannot book FP's for your next reservation until 60 days from when it starts, even if it is continuous with your previous stay.

Gotcha but doesn’t a leading AND overlapping reservation keep the loophole open?

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

Yes, that is what I am saying. It could have been just a timing/delay issue, but that was my experience. The reason I tried checking in was I saw a thread a few days ago that several people were not seeing there FP windows open. On that thread they all concluded after checking in, the windows appeared.

I missed that thread. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[msb578]

It will be interesting to see what happens to the offsite hotels with 60-day privileges. This new stuff doesn’t really jive with Disney keeping that deal.

I will let you know what happens with a cancellation of one of those hotels. I just cancelled one between 60 and 30 days.

 

[DaveNan]

Gotcha but doesn’t a leading AND overlapping reservation keep the loophole open?

Possibly. In the last 15 pages (one day) on this thread there have been many guests trying stuff in the reservations systems and talking to Disney.

The biggest "legitimate" concerns has been over split stays losing the continuous stays FP booking rights. Some people believe a duplicate continuous will allow a person to book FP's for the entire stay, when that stay is cancelled, if the real split stay aligns with it a person may get to keep the FP's. Based on interpretations of most of the conversations with customer service, if you had 4/1 to 4/10, and 4/1 to 4/4 and 4/4 to 4/10 and booked FP's for 4/5 to 4/10, on 4/1 because of the 4/1 to 4/10 stay, and you later cancelled the 4/1 to 4/10 stay and the 4/1 to 4/4 stay, all FP's would be gone, even those for 4/5 to 4/10. Now, does it really work like that? Time will tell.

 

[cakebaker]

After reading another thread, I see why they may actually be targeting split stays rather than it just being an unintended consequence. Apparently booking split stays at the campsites, with a day break in the reservations to gain even more advantage on fp’s and other perks is a thing. Who knew.....

 

[TheOneWithTheTriplets]

I'm curious what discretion, if any, CMs will have to help you "keep" FPs designated for deletion.

I think it's quite difficult to write code to correctly differentiate between someone trying to game the system with a leading/overlapping reservation and someone who legitimately wanted to switch to a split stay or remove a day or two from the beginning of the trip. However, a person actually looking at the reservation history can generally pretty quickly distinguish between the two. If they give the CMs that power, then people who are making real changes, rather than just trying to screw with the system for FP advantage, could call to argue their case.

I doubt anyone with a real 10 day trip with their family of 4 on the room and then a 24 day leading/overlapping at value for one person is going to try and claim that the value room was booked and cancelled in good faith. But, if someone has to lop a couple days off of the front of their trip because schedules have changed, that person could call and get a CM to override the cancellation. I'm not sure how much it mucks up the phone lines, and it puts the onus on the visitor to take the time to call and plead their case, but it would be the most effective way to separate true plan changes from dummy reservations.

 

[Spaceguy55]

This weekend should be when someone who has booked a split stay should see if they lose any FP"s, it's been at least 2 days since this started.
There still has not been an official "Disclosure or warning" like they did with the parking fee date..as far as I can see so far...
Anybody who booked a split stay starting soon would see their FP's drop off the days on the second room..unless it somehow has been grandfathered in, or they booked them at the 60 day mark.

 

[TheFloatingBear]

After reading another thread, I see why they may actually be targeting split stays rather than it just being an unintended consequence. Apparently booking split stays at the campsites, with a day break in the reservations to gain even more advantage on fp’s and other perks is a thing. Who knew.....

I'm not sure I'm following this...meaning like a split stay like someone stays at the campsite for several days and then stays somewhere else? Or like a longer throwaway stay?

 

[billlaurie]

I think she is talking about the M W F strategy that they discuss on that thread.

I'm not sure I'm following this...meaning like a split stay like someone stays at the campsite for several days and then stays somewhere else? Or like a longer throwaway stay?

 

[cakebaker]

I'm not sure I'm following this...meaning like a split stay like someone stays at the campsite for several days and then stays somewhere else? Or like a longer throwaway stay?

A throwaway split stay. Building in that break day gives another days advantage on FP booking under the old system. Maybe Disney thinks taking that away will deter people enough that they won’t do it just for free parking and the bands.

 

[cakebaker]

I think she is talking about the M W F strategy that they discuss on that thread.

Yes.

 

[TheOneWithTheTriplets]

This weekend should be when someone who has booked a split stay should see if they lose any FP"s, it's been at least 2 days since this started.
There still has not been an official "Disclosure or warning" like they did with the parking fee date..as far as I can see so far...
Anybody who booked a split stay starting soon would see their FP's drop off the days on the second room..unless it somehow has been grandfathered in, or they booked them at the 60 day mark.

I'm not so sure about that. Those people never cancelled a reservation, which is where people are seeing the warning about FPs getting deleted. If, at the time their window opened, it opened for the full length of stay across multiple stays, and they don't do anything to cancel or modify the existing reservations, I doubt their FPs are impacted. Those people will only exist for another 59 days or so, though, since now split stays get split FP windows.

 

[TheFloatingBear]

I think she is talking about the M W F strategy that they discuss on that thread.

A throwaway split stay. Building in that break day gives another days advantage on FP booking under the old system. Maybe Disney thinks taking that away will deter people enough that they won’t do it just for free parking and the bands.

That's what I thought but just wanted to clarify...I don't know that I really consider that an actual split stay where someone books two contiguous onsite resorts and stays at both of them.

 

[TISHLOVESDISNEY]

I will keep the split stays reservations until late Sunday or Monday and see what happens to the ADRs. I’ll post the results of our “experiment”

Curious how the "experiment" is going. FPs still there?