Why?

[sam_gordon]

As we have said over and over, solutions are coming, in some cases already being implemented. I don't know what you want here. What do YOU think we should do, since you don't want to believe anyone else? What is YOUR solution and if implemented, how do you see your solution working in the next two weeks, four weeks or twelve weeks?

Not ONE person has said, before I asked the question, how to take care of people's financial needs. AFTER I asked the question, some have mentioned what has been done or ideas. I guess since I can't read minds, I don't believe anyone. OK.

As far as MY idea? It sounds like some entities have already implemented it... don't allow foreclosures/evictions until this "normalizes" or loans are put into place. Then either one of two things needs to happen... businesses need to get bail out money in order to pay their employees, even if they're not working. OR the money goes directly to the people. So, that takes care of housing and utilities. And I don't think the money given should be a loan. Or, if it is, it needs to be at 0% and like five years.

How do you handle food/medicine? Give that away for free?

My bottom line is there are no easy answers. Sure, lock everyone in their homes for two weeks. I assume that doesn't include doctors and nurses & first responders. It wouldn't in my book. And presumably it wouldn't include those in supermarkets and pharmacies. Do gas stations stay open so those who need to get to work can? What about media? Some of it can be done from home, not all. Who else am I missing?

I did like the PP (might have been @Christine) answer who said cutting back on who needs to be onsite could be a big help. Not every industry/job can do that though.

 

[Farro]

Not ONE person has said, before I asked the question, how to take care of people's financial needs. AFTER I asked the question, some have mentioned what has been done or ideas. I guess since I can't read minds, I don't believe anyone. OK.

As far as MY idea? It sounds like some entities have already implemented it... don't allow foreclosures/evictions until this "normalizes" or loans are put into place. Then either one of two things needs to happen... businesses need to get bail out money in order to pay their employees, even if they're not working. OR the money goes directly to the people. So, that takes care of housing and utilities. And I don't think the money given should be a loan. Or, if it is, it needs to be at 0% and like five years.

How do you handle food/medicine? Give that away for free?

My bottom line is there are no easy answers. Sure, lock everyone in their homes for two weeks. I assume that doesn't include doctors and nurses & first responders. It wouldn't in my book. And presumably it wouldn't include those in supermarkets and pharmacies. Do gas stations stay open so those who need to get to work can? What about media? Some of it can be done from home, not all. Who else am I missing?

I did like the PP (might have been @Christine) answer who said cutting back on who needs to be onsite could be a big help. Not every industry/job can do that though.

I think about all poorer people here. Quarantining and stocking up isn't so easy for them. No health insurance, etc., kids out of school but they need to work.

They must be so scared.

Heck I'm scared, we just went through a big dental and veterinary financial hit and were still in process of recovering.

I hope everyone who is (rightfully) saying we all need to look out for each other during the health crisis remembers that we still need to look out for each other during the economic fall out. Hopefully it doesn't happen.

 

[DeniseJH]

Not ONE person has said, before I asked the question, how to take care of people's financial needs. AFTER I asked the question, some have mentioned what has been done or ideas. I guess since I can't read minds, I don't believe anyone. OK.

As far as MY idea? It sounds like some entities have already implemented it... don't allow foreclosures/evictions until this "normalizes" or loans are put into place. Then either one of two things needs to happen... businesses need to get bail out money in order to pay their employees, even if they're not working. OR the money goes directly to the people. So, that takes care of housing and utilities. And I don't think the money given should be a loan. Or, if it is, it needs to be at 0% and like five years.

How do you handle food/medicine? Give that away for free?

My bottom line is there are no easy answers. Sure, lock everyone in their homes for two weeks. I assume that doesn't include doctors and nurses & first responders. It wouldn't in my book. And presumably it wouldn't include those in supermarkets and pharmacies. Do gas stations stay open so those who need to get to work can? What about media? Some of it can be done from home, not all. Who else am I missing?

I did like the PP (might have been @Christine) answer who said cutting back on who needs to be onsite could be a big help. Not every industry/job can do that though.

I certainly don't have the answers, but I love your ideas! Are you asking these questions because you're interested in hearing others' ideas, or as an argument against the efforts to keep people at home?

 

[Farro]

Aaaannddd all of Illinois's restaurants/bars are closed. Oh man. Even if they get pay, servers rely on tips. How do you make up for that?

Can still deliver though, we're okay!

I like our Governor.

 

[DLgal]

I have some whys?

There is a cruise-ship with 600 passengers, 5 with virus. It's not being allowed to dock anywhere. Why? Have already really come to this?

If it's going to be as bad as everyone is predicting with hospitals overcrowding with too many patients, why aren't we already readying our empty conventions centers and sports stadiums? Making make-shift hospitals/isolation centers? If China can do it, so can we. The National Emergency Declaration freed up billions. They should already be starting.

Our governor (CA) already passed an emergency declaration allowing the state to co opt hotels and motels to convert them into makeshift hospitals if the need arises. I think this is a brilliant idea, personally.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

NY opened a drive through test site near New Rochelle, they say they will test up to 200 people a day with the goal of testing 500.
They tested 200 on Friday, so while the US may only be testing 75 some states have taken upon themselves to do their own testing.

The National Guard is on their way to my county. Mobile testing is supposed to be one of the things they're coming for. We're supposed to find out more info in a press conference at 6:00.

 

[billlaurie]

I think this article describes the demographics of the disease in China in a way that is easy to visualize and clearly shows how the elderly are dying at much greater rates, even though as a group, particularly the 80+ group, the rate of infection is lower. If we can put the brakes on it temporarily to help control the spread to this population and keep our healthcare system from being overwhelmed like in Italy then I think it is worth taking these measures for a reasonable amount of time. I do worry about longterm economic impacts if we do this social distancing for too long, especially for those whose livelihoods depend on social interaction, and it is something we need to think about and not chastise others for bringing up. Here's the link:
https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-coronavirus-death-rate-by-age/

 

[Hutt]

Do you have a solution for those who can't afford to miss a paycheck? How do they pay rent? Food? Medicines? Utilities?

I’m not sure anyone on a Disney message board should be expected to have that answer.

 

[sam_gordon]

I certainly don't have the answers, but I love your ideas! Are you asking these questions because you're interested in hearing others' ideas, or as an argument against the efforts to keep people at home?

I'm really not against any effort to keep people at home. It does make sense. But I am asking because while it's easy to say "everyone just needs to stay home for the next two (or three or four) weeks", what about the unintended consequences?

My DD is a student teacher and works at Cracker Barrel. The schools are shut down for a month (not like she was making any money there), so she said she was hoping to pick up extra shifts at CB. But if people aren't going out to eat, do they need the workers there? If they don't work, they don't get paid (unless something is done). If she doesn't get paid, how does she pay her rent? And her lease doesn't run out until January, so just bringing her home doesn't help unless she's let out of her lease.

Ok, there's now rules that say you can't be evicted for non-payment. But A) the apartment owners are now no longer getting their money, so what do they do and B) let's say she skips the April payment, I'm assuming she'll have to make that up at some point, so she's behind even more.

And I'm just using this as an example. Fortunately DW and I can work from home if that's what decided, so we get our checks (assuming the companies don't close up). But I start thinking about those working in restaurants or retail, or manufacturing, etc.

So yes, I would like to know what other ideas people have or what is being put in place elsewhere. I understand Disney has said they'll pay their workers, which is great! I believe Kevin Love (NBA player for those who don't know) donated $100K so those at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse can be paid even though they're not working. Kudos to him.

 

[sam_gordon]

I’m not sure anyone on a Disney message board should be expected to have that answer.

"I don't know" is a valid answer. But to say we shouldn't even think about the question is wrong IMO.

 

[gotomu212]

I have some whys?

There is a cruise-ship with 600 passengers, 5 with virus. It's not being allowed to dock anywhere. Why? Have already really come to this?

If it's going to be as bad as everyone is predicting with hospitals overcrowding with too many patients, why aren't we already readying our empty conventions centers and sports stadiums? Making make-shift hospitals/isolation centers? If China can do it, so can we. The National Emergency Declaration freed up billions. They should already be starting.

Honestly convention centers and sports stadiums make terrible shelters and hospitals (remember the Superdome during Katrina). First and foremost they can’t handle sanitation and they don’t allow for isolation. Solutions like hotels and empty dorms are much better. They have better and closer access to bathrooms and water supplies and the ability to actually separate people (although not to negative air pressure standards). That is very much being discussed by state governments and the trigger can be pulled very quickly- we just aren’t at the point of needing to activate it.

 

[John VN]

No body leaves home, WHO DOES TRASH COLLECTION for a week, OR TWO, OR THREE?????

 

[Farro]

Honestly convention centers and sports stadiums make terrible shelters and hospitals (remember the Superdome during Katrina). First and foremost they can’t handle sanitation and they don’t allow for isolation. Solutions like hotels and empty dorms are much better. They have better and closer access to bathrooms and water supplies and the ability to actually separate people (although not to negative air pressure standards). That is very much being discussed by state governments and the trigger can be pulled very quickly- we just aren’t at the point of needing to activate it.

Okay. I will change my post to say hotels and empty dorms...

I think the spirit of what I said remains the same.

 

[pryncess527]

"I don't know" is a valid answer. But to say we shouldn't even think about the question is wrong IMO.

I guess I didn’t see anyone say that. I did see many people express concern for the populations most people impacted by tge shut down.

 

[pryncess527]

No body leaves home, WHO DOES TRASH COLLECTION for a week, OR TWO, OR THREE?????

all plans I have seen call for these types of essential services going. Social distancing does not mean all activity ceases.

 

[Christine]

I'm really not against any effort to keep people at home. It does make sense. But I am asking because while it's easy to say "everyone just needs to stay home for the next two (or three or four) weeks", what about the unintended consequences?

My DD is a student teacher and works at Cracker Barrel. The schools are shut down for a month (not like she was making any money there), so she said she was hoping to pick up extra shifts at CB. But if people aren't going out to eat, do they need the workers there? If they don't work, they don't get paid (unless something is done). If she doesn't get paid, how does she pay her rent? And her lease doesn't run out until January, so just bringing her home doesn't help unless she's let out of her lease.

Ok, there's now rules that say you can't be evicted for non-payment. But A) the apartment owners are now no longer getting their money, so what do they do and B) let's say she skips the April payment, I'm assuming she'll have to make that up at some point, so she's behind even more.

And I'm just using this as an example. Fortunately DW and I can work from home if that's what decided, so we get our checks (assuming the companies don't close up). But I start thinking about those working in restaurants or retail, or manufacturing, etc.

So yes, I would like to know what other ideas people have or what is being put in place elsewhere. I understand Disney has said they'll pay their workers, which is great! I believe Kevin Love (NBA player for those who don't know) donated $100K so those at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse can be paid even though they're not working. Kudos to him.

It's pretty sad for some of these people. My son, who lives in an a more city-type area, came down today to get some pet food and a new harness for his rapidly growing dog. While we were out we decided to get some lunch. It was noon and Mission BBQ had one car out front but didn't look open. Boston Market had NO ONE in their parking lot or drive thru. We went to Noodles & Co. There were two other families in there eating and no one else came in after us for the next 30 minutes. Of course these people will be told to go home. They don't have anything to do. I have to say, though, I was super-impressed with the cleaning and food handling methods today.

Now my son says that where he is (city full of young people) the bars and restaurants are FULL. No change in anything. Quite a bit different that suburbia.

 

[elaine amj]

I think this thread has been very helpful. I haven't had my head in the sand - I have been watching the news since January. We also have some risk factors in my family. I did cancel an end of February trip to Asia. But just a few days ago, I was packing my bags in preparation to fly to Disney on Monday. With additional precautions including cleaning sprays, hand sanitizers, alcohol wipes , etc etc.

Then everything seemed to happen at once. We cancelled our trip. Made an alternate plan to drive to a local cottage a few hours away to hole up there. This morning, we cancelled that too.

Now I am trying to wrap my head around what measures we need to take. What I should allow my teens to do, what I should say no to. What additional precautions we need to take. And how we can be responsible citizens of our community and our country. What is wise and responsible and what is just silly hysteria.

This discussion around "why?" is helping.

 

[Farro]

Now I am trying to wrap my head around what measures we need to take. What I should allow my teens to do, what I should say no to. What additional precautions we need to take. And how we can be responsible citizens of our community and our country. What is wise and responsible and what is just silly hysteria.

This discussion around "why?" is helping.

This is what I find to be the hardest part. I go from feeling "okay, it will be weird but we will get through this" to "oh my god, we're gonna die!!! it's over!!!"

I realize people deal with things in their own way. Ignore it and try to downplay or try to convince everyone else to be as scared as they are by not allowing anyone even a glimmer of hope.

There's an in-between somewhere, but I don't think it's on social media! Ah, well...

 

[sam_gordon]

I guess I didn’t see anyone say that. I did see many people express concern for the populations most people impacted by tge shut down.

Here's one...

We may have to do a lockdown, nest egg or not. And don't be so arrogant. Your nest egg is likely tied up in stocks which haven't been going very well this week.

Maybe I'm not reading what was meant, but a lot are doing that on my posts also.

 

[DLgal]

I think this thread has been very helpful. I haven't had my head in the sand - I have been watching the news since January. We also have some risk factors in my family. I did cancel an end of February trip to Asia. But just a few days ago, I was packing my bags in preparation to fly to Disney on Monday. With additional precautions including cleaning sprays, hand sanitizers, alcohol wipes , etc etc.

Then everything seemed to happen at once. We cancelled our trip. Made an alternate plan to drive to a local cottage a few hours away to hole up there. This morning, we cancelled that too.

Now I am trying to wrap my head around what measures we need to take. What I should allow my teens to do, what I should say no to. What additional precautions we need to take. And how we can be responsible citizens of our community and our country. What is wise and responsible and what is just silly hysteria.

This discussion around "why?" is helping.

What do you let your teens do? Nothing. Stay home. No friends over. No going out.

They have been training their entire lives for this. Time to activate virtual hanging out via video calling, group chats, etc. They know how to do this already.