No the Magic isn’t gone but it’s at 25%

No reason they couldn’t have just made FP+ same day. That’s how it was all along at DLR.
You mean like Maxpass? If so then I agree. I enjoyed Maxpass when I used it on my last DL trip in 2019. But that ship has sailed a long time ago and Disney is doubling down on Genie+ or some form of paid Premier Pass. The last holdout Tokyo Disneyland just announced a paid skip the line service so I don't think they'll revert back to anything else.
 
So really this comes down to wanting a nighttime parade at WDW.
Fun question!
1. Start the day off with a 50th anniversary welcome
2. Every day bring in an old cast member or Imagineer to honor
3. 50th Anniversary special film at the Main Street Cinema documenting the history of the WDW resort
4. Special limited time performance of Main Street Electrical Parade or Spectromagic
5. Original long version of Tiki Room
6. Tons of old characters
7. Bring back the Mickey Mouse Marching Band
8. Special historical narrations on the Genie app.
9. Bring back the Handwich
10. Giveaways
11. Absolute shame the WDWRR is not operating during the 50th.

I'm sure people here have many other ideas.
 
You don’t know what they were planning to do before, you know, the world shut down. You have to put all of that into this context.
I don’t think I’m allowed to link the article here but Disney literally sent a survey out last month asking people why the 50th celebration fell below their expectations and these were the options to choose from so they know it was subpar and slapped together themselves:

  • The celebration didn't celebrate "classic Disney" and lacked nostalgia
  • Crowds made it difficult to enjoy the celebration
  • The décor was limited
  • Commemorative entertainment for the celebration was limited (stage shows, parades, etc.)
  • There were long lines to purchase the merchandise
  • The 50th-anniversary merchandise I wanted was unavailable
  • The fireworks shows/nighttime spectaculars were not as good as previous shows
  • There were long lines to purchase the special food and beverage offerings
  • It was difficult to find the special food and beverage offerings
  • It was not as good as other Disney celebrations
  • It seemed like Just another day in the park
  • It was not special enough for a 50th-anniversary celebration
  • The prices for 50th-anniversary merchandise were high
  • The fireworks shows/nighttime spectaculars didn't celebrate the 50th anniversary
  • The special food and beverage offerings were limited
  • The merchandise selection/variety was limited
 
Bottom line?

The Year of a Million Dreams. That's what we all.wanted. YOAMD blew the 50th clean out of the water..out of the planet...out of the galaxy.

lol, so you want the opportunity to win a bunch of free stuff. Got it. All that was was a big sweepstakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

I’m increasingly realizing that for a lot of people, “the magic”/“pixie dust” = free stuff from Disney.

Oh, and you wanted that in the midst of a time period where Disney parks lost a huge amount of money due to being closed for several months.
 
No reason they couldn’t have just made FP+ same day. That’s how it was all along at DLR.
That's what Genie+ was supposed to work like minus the paid LL. The problem is at Disneyland it works as fewer people buy it. It's a big reason Genie+ isn't working. More people have bought it then they expected.
 
lol, so you want the opportunity to win a bunch of free stuff. Got it. All that was was a big sweepstakes. Nothing more, nothing less.

I’m increasingly realizing that for a lot of people, “the magic”/“pixie dust” = free stuff from Disney.
That wasn’t just what a Year Of Million Dreams was about. I was only a kid when it was going on but I remember they had a special museum in one of the buildings on Main Street (I want to say either in Town Square next to Tony’s or the Cinema?) that had all of the history of the park so far and other artefacts on display to look at and read through and there were CMs stationed in there answering questions and talking about the park’s history. They gave everyone who went in there a special 25th anniversary badge that had a spot for you to put the year of your first ever visit on there and we still have them now. It was little touches like that and not just the opportunity to get “free stuff” that made it special.
 
They had furloughed/laid off a huge number of their employees during the summer/fall of 2020. That really impacted entertainers. It’s fairly difficult to just throw together a whole new parade when you’ve got something like 20K employees laid off, primarily in your parks division.
So did CA...

You said they couldn't practice a parade with covid. CA restrictions were far more than FL ever was. No one was talking about "just throwing together a parade" the comparison was made that apparently they can do something they've just chosen not to at WDW for one reason or another.

But couldn't practice..they can do a daytime parade it would seem. They haven't had a nighttime parade at WDW in years. We all know that Disney at this point doesn't feel like they want to at WDW, it would have been something to have focused on for this 50th. They know it and we know it that the 50th is blah in comparison to what it could be and there's only so much "covid/pandemic got in the way" you can realistically assign to it.
 
Disney was actually planning on getting rid of Fastpass+ before the pandemic. Covid was just their excuse to do so. The system actually made them lose money.

I know most people don't have time to watch an almost 2 hour video, but this video really put into perspective just how broken Fastpass+ really was. Not saying Genie+ is better and that Disney should charge more. Just made me think about trips I took pre-pandemic.

For anyone who has not watched this video, it really is best possible way to fully understand the how and the why of various iterations of virtual queues that Disney has chosen to employ over the years. Honestly, if people just watched these videos before commenting on how the different systems work (have worked) it would make for a much better conversation.

This video has so many good parts to it that I could write 15 different posts about it, but the best parts to me are where they give visual representations showing the capacity issues and how Disney has tried to manage them.

I will also say that some of the nostalgia purists may find it interesting that the first system Disney used to manage ride capacity by selling it was the old E-tickets and what that tiered ticket system did to standby wait times of certain attractions.

When they show the ride distribution chart comparing no FP to FP+ I couldn't help but think that all of us were on the far right of the curve and the reason there is so much angst around here is that our community of hyper-fans is desperate to find the best way to get back to that far right edge of the curve.
 
I'd like to address the supposed leveling of the playing field.

FP+ was free. G+ costs $15.98 per person. Everyone could afford FP+. Not everyone, especially people with families of 2 or more children, can afford G+. For anyone who doesn't have the extra funds, the playing field has been raised, not leveled, despite what Disney wants us to believe.
I think you need to watch the video before you can understand what they meant by leveling the playing field.
 
Yes, I understand that's what's meant. But money is a factor, even if it's left out of this explanation.
The video doesn't leave money out of the explanation. They explain how Disney resort guests, who are generally paying much more than off-site guests, had such a huge advantage under FP+
 
Covid only affected Disney I see. It amazes how other parks managed to pull off anniversaries post Covid and with most of what was planned.
You know I respect your positioning in general and appreciated our past dialogues, but seriously as it relates to the anniversary issue - to the degree COVID did or did not do anything - is doing or not doing anything - can be debated to the end of time (and probably will). If we are being honest, the sheer magnitude of the production of Disney in Florida as compared to other parks, is not even apples to oranges ( I am not creative enough to come up with another analogy for size of fruits ) -

Having been twice now during this celebration - I don't think I was blown away or underwhelmed to the degree that it was even on my radar. There is always the possibility to do better, and I am sure Disney would rather not have dealt with COVID during this milestone at all - but to completely dismiss it as "just an excuse" is a bit much.

Amazingly what seems to be missing is a little positivity (no matter how shallow) based on how much stuff is actually coming back online - given the sheer magnitude of the operation - and all the tendrils of possible issues to contend with in closing down, furloughing employees, and ramping back up. Did that mean the 50th may need to take a backseat - most likely. That's fine, I am not even close to suggesting they should be celebrated for doing everything right or in the right timeline. There are many obvious missteps which get harped on over and over and over - and Disney needs to own them.
 
For anyone who has not watched this video, it really is best possible way to fully understand the how and the why of various iterations of virtual queues that Disney has chosen to employ over the years. Honestly, if people just watched these videos before commenting on how the different systems work (have worked) it would make for a much better conversation.

This video has so many good parts to it that I could write 15 different posts about it, but the best parts to me are where they give visual representations showing the capacity issues and how Disney has tried to manage them.

I will also say that some of the nostalgia purists may find it interesting that the first system Disney used to manage ride capacity by selling it was the old E-tickets and what that tiered ticket system did to standby wait times of certain attractions.

When they show the ride distribution chart comparing no FP to FP+ I couldn't help but think that all of us were on the far right of the curve and the reason there is so much angst around here is that our community of hyper-fans is desperate to find the best way to get back to that far right edge of the curve.
It also shows that Disney doesn't have enough capacity for everyone to have a skip the line pass. IMO that's the biggest problem they face. It goes back to the original FP. It was brought in to stop complaints about long waits. IMO cause of that many have a hard time accepting that part of going to any park is waiting in line.
 
You mean like Maxpass? If so then I agree. I enjoyed Maxpass when I used it on my last DL trip in 2019. But that ship has sailed a long time ago and Disney is doubling down on Genie+ or some form of paid Premier Pass. The last holdout Tokyo Disneyland just announced a paid skip the line service so I don't think they'll revert back to anything else.
Genie Plus and MaxPass are very similar in how they work, especially now that you will have to buy Genie+ day of use. Obviously the scope and scale of WDW is so much larger than DL so experience may not be the same, but as far as how they approach queueing theory, MaxPass and Genie Plus are about as close as you can get.
 
I couldn't help but think that all of us were on the far right of the curve and the reason there is so much angst around here is that our community of hyper-fans is desperate to find the best way to get back to that far right edge of the curve.
I agree with this part in particular and it's something I thought about after watching this video. I think a lot of people, myself included, initially hated Genie+ because of it being more of a balanced playing field for everyone despite the paywall. We knew the tips and tricks to game Fastpass+ and now those were harder to do in this new system. Fastpass+ worked the best when you had guests that didn't fully understand how to use it and I think that still applies to Genie+ as well.
 
You know I respect your positioning in general and appreciated our past dialogues, but seriously as it relates to the anniversary issue - to the degree COVID did or did not do anything - is doing or not doing anything - can be debated to the end of time (and probably will). If we are being honest, the sheer magnitude of the production of Disney in Florida as compared to other parks, is not even apples to oranges ( I am not creative enough to come up with another analogy for size of fruits ) -

Having been twice now during this celebration - I don't think I was blown away or underwhelmed to the degree that it was even on my radar. There is always the possibility to do better, and I am sure Disney would rather not have dealt with COVID during this milestone at all - but to completely dismiss it as "just an excuse" is a bit much.

Amazingly what seems to be missing is a little positivity (no matter how shallow) based on how much stuff is actually coming back online - given the sheer magnitude of the operation - and all the tendrils of possible issues to contend with in closing down, furloughing employees, and ramping back up. Did that mean the 50th may need to take a backseat - most likely. That's fine, I am not even close to suggesting they should be celebrated for doing everything right or in the right timeline. There are many obvious missteps which get harped on over and over and over - and Disney needs to own them.
I get Disney is much bigger then all other parks. My point was more about how the smaller parks did more to celebrate their history then what Disney did. I think that's why many are upset about it.
 
It also shows that Disney doesn't have enough capacity for everyone to have a skip the line pass. IMO that's the biggest problem they face. It goes back to the original FP. It was brought in to stop complaints about long waits. IMO cause of that many have a hard time accepting that part of going to any park is waiting in line.
I think that's the thing. We don't mind waiting in line. That is part of it, no way around it really. Even purchasing Genie+, you still have to wait at times. So that's why we don't purchase Genie+, just plan to go at less busy times of the day, do the headliners at rope drop or end of day, and wait in line for the other rides or see a show, eat some food, go for a swim during the busy times of the day.
 
Genie Plus and MaxPass are very similar in how they work, especially now that you will have to buy Genie+ day of use. Obviously the scope and scale of WDW is so much larger than DL so experience may not be the same, but as far as how they approach queueing theory, MaxPass and Genie Plus are about as close as you can get.
Genie+ is like Maxpass except for no rerides and you also had the option to walk over to rides and grab a paper Fastpass if you didn't pay. It worked very well in DL but not so much in WDW.
 
Genie+ is like Maxpass except for no rerides and you also had the option to walk over to rides and grab a paper Fastpass if you didn't pay. It worked very well in DL but not so much in WDW.
Even Genie+ works better at DL. A lot of it has to to with the amount of people buying.
 

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