Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

*The fact that Harry said he was terrified that his brother raised his voice to him made me almost fall out of my seat. Terrified? Did I hear that correctly? I actually hope that I am.wtong in recollection and/or hearing. Laughing.

My opinion, which was for a long time neutral, about Harry with all of this documentary and news stuff has made me think both sad and tsk-ing him at the same time.

However, I think we have to take his thoughts and opinions about his own brother as how he truly feels without jabbing him for it. Just because Harry to us seems immature or impetuous doesn't mean he doesn't feel the way he does.

 

[mom2rtk]

My opinion, which was for a long time neutral, about Harry with all of this documentary and news stuff has made me think both sad and tsk-ing him at the same time.

However, I think we have to take his thoughts and opinions about his own brother as how he truly feels without jabbing him for it. Just because Harry to us seems immature or impetuous doesn't mean he doesn't feel the way he does.

I don’t care how he feels. I care about the truth of what actually happened.

I don’t care about HIS truth. I care about THE truth.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don’t care how he feels. I care about the truth of what actually happened.

That's fine and you're entitled to feel that.

To me if someone says they were terrified of their brother yelling at them I don't have to like them or believe them on everything else (which is to say that there's fudging and poor recollection going on for other things) for me to give them this. If that's how they felt on this particular topic then I'm going to give them leeway in that's how they feel without going there on that.

You do you, I suppose I have a tad more compassion with respects to this particular topic. YMMV

 

[Marrila]

I don’t care how he feels. I care about the truth of what actually happened.

I don’t care about HIS truth. I care about THE truth.

And I think at some point (hopefully before becoming a parent) it's time to set squabbles aside, grow up and get a job. If the kids are already here it's even more important.

 

[dvcgirl67]

My opinion, which was for a long time neutral, about Harry with all of this documentary and news stuff has made me think both sad and tsk-ing him at the same time.

However, I think we have to take his thoughts and opinions about his own brother as how he truly feels without jabbing him for it. Just because Harry to us seems immature or impetuous doesn't mean he doesn't feel the way he does.

I agree on this...regarding Harry's comments. When he talks about his brother's office copying the same sort of game plan that the two of them promised they would never do....and that it broke his heart.....that was very sad. I can imagine the two of them have seen lots of behind the scenes meetings/decisions that they did not agree with.

I certainly can't speak to whether all of that is true of not. Only the bothers know. But that seems at least to be how Harry perceives it to be. Clearly what was a break has turned into a much bigger deal at this point. Most of us have probably seen a family feud at some. point in our lives....I surely have. And once things get this far, it's incredibly hard to put the pieces back together again....especially when the "family" is the "business" as well. It's a shame, because however odd/weird the Royals can be, it was Harry's odd/weird family. And it's clear that he misses it.

 

[mom2rtk]

That's fine and you're entitled to feel that.

To me if someone says they were terrified of their brother yelling at them I don't have to like them or believe them on everything else (which is to say that there's fudging and poor recollection going on for other things) for me to give them this. If that's how they felt on this particular topic then I'm going to give them leeway in that's how they feel without going there on that.

You do you, I suppose I have a tad more compassion with respects to this particular topic. YMMV

I had compassion for them until the flat out started lying. Now I don’t know when to believe them so I don’t take any of it seriously.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

but that seems at least to be how Harry perceives it to be.

Yeah that's my point. The comment made and the comment I quoted was about how someone feels and that's not the same as did this or did this not occur. Obviously at some point William raised his voice to Harry, and at that time from what he says it terrified him, I'm not going to pass judgement on that.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

iMHO
The couple comes across as educated, honest, sincere, articulate and deeply hurt.

what is the truth? Nobody knows, and most likely no one will ever know. Remember there are three sides to every story yours, mine and the truth….

one thing is true they life one life style where everything was provided for them, for one where it is not……

brings new meaning to; serve in heaven or rule in hell…..

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I had compassion for them until the flat out started lying. Now I don’t know when to believe them so I don’t take any of it seriously.

I'm not trying to dissect if some event occurred or bring their entire baggage along with every little detail that gets mentioned. In this situation, I don't think him saying how he felt deserves scoffing at.

I'm sorry you lost your compassion for him. I don't agree with a lot of things he's said or done, but I do have compassion for him as the human, his relationship with his sibling didn't just erode because Meghan came along, it wasn't made better by her coming along that's for sure.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'm not trying to dissect if some event occurred or bring their entire baggage along with every little detail that gets mentioned. In this situation, I don't think him saying how he felt deserves scoffing at.

I'm sorry you lost your compassion for him. I don't agree with a lot of things he's said or done, but I do have compassion for him as the human, his relationship with his sibling didn't just erode because Meghan came along, it wasn't made better by her coming along that's for sure.

I have compassion when I don't have reason to doubt someone's recollection of what happened in a given situation. Or when there is corroboration of what happened, which we all know can't happen here. This is a very one sided telling of what happened by someone who has been party to a laundry list of half truths and outright lies. I don't have confidence in his one sided story, so I don't have compassion. That's the price for the lies he has participated in telling.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I have compassion when I don't have reason to doubt someone's recollection of what happened in a given situation. Or when there is corroboration of what happened, which we all know can't happen here. This is a very one sided telling of what happened by someone who has been party to a laundry list of half truths and outright lies. I don't have confidence in his one sided story, so I don't have compassion. That's the price for the lies he has participated in telling.

There's only ever going to be one side with respects to the observation I quoted. What do you expect William to refute or corroborate? That Harry felt he was terrified when he raised his voice to him? In any case we'll have to agree to disagree

 

[AndreaA]

There's only ever going to be one side with respects to the observation I quoted. What do you expect William to refute or corroborate? That Harry felt he was terrified when he raised his voice to him? In any case we'll have to agree to disagree

He SAYS he felt terrified. That sounds a bit hyperbolic to me, and to many others, and I think that’s the point some posters are getting at. With all of the half-truths, exaggerations, and outright lies, I’m not going to believe him just because he puts the words “felt” into a sentence. He could say he felt terrified that monsters were going to rise up from the castle grounds and attack, and I wouldn’t believe that either.

I do have compassion for him because I think it’s terribly sad that he and his brother no longer have that close relationship. I disagree that Megan isn’t a huge part - or possibly the entire - of the reason that is so. Things were generally good between them - even when he was dating other people - until she came around. She seems to have fed upon his fears and anxieties and brought out the worst in him, which is very sad.

 

[TLSnell1981]

He SAYS he felt terrified. That sounds a bit hyperbolic to me, and to many others, and I think that’s the point some posters are getting at. With all of the half-truths, exaggerations, and outright lies, I’m not going to believe him just because he puts the words “felt” into a sentence. He could say he felt terrified that monsters were going to rise up from the castle grounds and attack, and I wouldn’t believe that either.

I do have compassion for him because I think it’s terribly sad that he and his brother no longer have that close relationship. I disagree that Megan isn’t a huge part - or possibly the entire - of the reason that is so. Things were generally good between them - even when he was dating other people - until she came around. She seems to have fed upon his fears and anxieties and brought out the worst in him, which is very sad.

MM's numerous conflicts with others plus lack of long term relationships ...speaks volumes. It really can't be EVERYONE else.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

He SAYS he felt terrified. That sounds a bit hyperbolic to me, and to many others, and I think that’s the point some posters are getting at. With all of the half-truths, exaggerations, and outright lies, I’m not going to believe him just because he puts the words “felt” into a sentence. He could say he felt terrified that monsters were going to rise up from the castle grounds and attack, and I wouldn’t believe that either.

I do have compassion for him because I think it’s terribly sad that he and his brother no longer have that close relationship. I disagree that Megan isn’t a huge part - or possibly the entire - of the reason that is so. Things were generally good between them - even when he was dating other people - until she came around. She seems to have fed upon his fears and anxieties and brought out the worst in him, which is very sad.

I understood what was being said. I said I wouldn't question that he felt that way or scoff at it. For me it's not a hill I'm going to die on making a point to stick it to 'em. If that's how he said he felt I'll personally give him that, as I said more than once in this situation. It's not worth my brain power here to personally figure out if there's all these other motives..there's plenty of other fodder they give for me to do that on other topics of theirs

As far as Meghan I didn't say whether she had a large or not large part. I just said "his relationship with his sibling didn't just erode because Meghan came along, it wasn't made better by her coming along that's for sure." There are nuggets over time some of which have been talked about already. One of the things I read the other day (quite outdated these days as it was over 2 years old in publication but still) mentioned that "Royal experts have speculated the position never sat well with Harry" the position referring to his brother's role and his father's role and living under that. That doesn't mean that I think their relationship ever would have gotten bad if someone else, anyone else really, besides Meghan was around, but rather that there are things that existed that set the groundwork for deeper unsaid things to be there. Like I said I think he's using Meghan as his vehicle to get out things. All my opinion here of course

 

[kyton]

Let’s not forget as part of the “William scared me by yelling at me” conversation, H also said the Queen was sitting in the corner silent - like she was some feeble old woman incapable of speaking! This was the same Queen that two days prior to dying was on her feet meeting the new English Prime Minister, not someone who was unable to voice an opinion.

Sorry I don’t believe “their truth” is anything close to the actual truth.

 

[ttintagel]

Just because she chose not to speak doesn't mean she was unable to.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

What would one expect a grandmother to say when she is told her son and grandsons are racist and or not atleast helping to defend her other grandson…..
Queen or not there was nothing she was going to say to fix that…

 

[Karin1984]

Maybe also to keep in mind, Harry has been living in the US near Hollywood for a while with an actress with a love for flowery language. His use of language has changed (the tabloids also keep track of his use of americanisms). Or what he said regarding the summit might have been rewritten by a scriptwriter.

This whole truth discussion throws me back to January 22, 2017, when the world was introduced to 'alternative facts'.

Also reminds me of David Mitchell.

 

[Karin1984]

Well, they have another show coming out on Netflix.

Let's hope this is the inspiring content they promised. It is about leaders and their legacies. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Greta Thunberg, Gloria Steinem, Nelson Mandela, Jacintha Ardern.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-harry-meghan-tease-brand-28771321

 

[focusondisney]

So I guess their new careers will be film production. That’s good, hopefully they’ll make enough to support their family & live a nice life.