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- Apr 2, 2008
Gotcha. Thanks for the info!
No problem at all. I think, in the beginning of the investigation, it was widely reported that she had died of an overdose.
Gotcha. Thanks for the info!
I don't know how they decide it, but I'm not going to make it my place to determine that because someone made a poor choice (no matter how many times that choice may have been made), he wanted to die.
Nope, doesn't bother me in the least as I see the difference between accidental and on purpose.
They did not intend to take the drugs (whether illegal or not) and die as a result, however, they accidentally did. Of course, you may not know the persons heart and mind at the time that they took the drugs, therefore what may be called accidental may have actually been on purpose.
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car you are intentionally making a decision to accept the risks of doing that, including dying. Doesn't mean that if you die in a car accident that you wanted to die.But taking a drug (especially an illegal or non-prescribed one) comes with risks and if you decide to take them, you intentionally made a decision to accept the risks of doing them, including overdosing.
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car you are intentionally making a decision to accept the risks of doing that, including dying. Doesn't mean that if you die in a car accident that you wanted to die.
How are they getting a 'free pass'? They're dead.But taking a drug (especially an illegal or non-prescribed one) comes with risks and if you decide to take them, you intentionally made a decision to accept the risks of doing them, including overdosing.
I think suicide is even worst (regardless of the method), but I think letting someone get a "free pass" for accidentally overdosing, is a little weak. Now if the death was in part to using a prescribed/over the counter drug that had a dosage error, that truly is an accident (or I guess if it was intentionally misprescibed, I could I see a murder charge).
How do you suppose they decide if intent was there or not?
But I accept the risks associated to it. If I was driving wrecklessly or illegally, I heightened those risks and I made an intentional decision that depending on the heightened risk, may have ultimately sentenced me to a high probability of death.
But taking a drug (especially an illegal or non-prescribed one) comes with risks and if you decide to take them, you intentionally made a decision to accept the risks of doing them, including overdosing.
I think suicide is even worst (regardless of the method), but I think letting someone get a "free pass" for accidentally overdosing, is a little weak. Now if the death was in part to using a prescribed/over the counter drug that had a dosage error, that truly is an accident (or I guess if it was intentionally misprescibed, I could I see a murder charge).
bothers me a bit cause how do you know they took the drugs willingly ?idk just alot to think about
How are they getting a 'free pass'? They're dead.
And you could also be driving perfectly safe and legal and WHAM!!! You get smashed into by someone else and die, or your lose control due to weather, or mechanical malfunction or whatever, and BAM you are dead.
Heck, just taking a shower has an small chance of death. Everything comes with risks these days, doesn't mean you WANTED to die but that dying was a result of those actions.
Intentional is when you set out doing something with the mindset of "I want to die".
Its not about the risks, its about the intent. An accidental OD means that the victim did not intend to kill themself. I hardly think being responsible for your own death by way of an accidental OD is a "free pass", they are dead, seems like the worst mistake they could have made
He did a lot to try to correct the issue. He went to rehab, he had stretches of time when he was clean. Drug addiction is not an easy animal to shack though and occasional relapses are generally a part of the process. That does not mean he was not trying though, it just means that he was normal in his recovery.Intentionally increasing the risk is taking out some of the accident and putting a piece over to the intentional. He knew (even admitted) that his drug use was an issue, but did nothing to correct the issue.
jlewisinsyr said:It is the worst mistake one could make, no doubt, don't read into the free pass in that they didn't suffer a consequence, I just think it diminishes the value of a true accidental death, one where I person didn't knowlingly increase their risks by doing something illegal.
It is the worst mistake one could make, no doubt, don't read into the free pass in that they didn't suffer a consequence, I just think it diminishes the value of a true accidental death, one where I person didn't knowlingly increase their risks by doing something illegal.
The problem is you are coming at this from a logical view. Logiaclly, it doesn't make sense to take drugs with all the risk ect...but most people who are doing things like that are not thinking logically. And it can be due to a lot of different factors...some have emotional problems, some peopel are thrill seekers and like the risk factor, some have had tragic events happen to them, some people can just have a bad chemical or hormonal imbalance that will start them down the wrong path.
You excluded all the prescription drug accidental overdoses are not being what you were talking about, but you are generalizing all drug users in the same category no matter what the reason/motoivation they had to start. Most people don't start out shooting up heroine. They start with something "less" risky like weed and progress up because it makes them feel good or numbes the emotional pain, quiets the voices, whatever.
If you never had peer pressure issues, self esteem issues, depression, ect you are very blessed. You are obviously a strong person able to deal with what life throws at you. Not every one can.
How else though could they describe it? If there was intentional death (I want to die and will do this to achieve my goal) and accidental death (oops, pharmacist screwed up and I took to many pills and die) then how could you label this death?
If you never had peer pressure issues, self esteem issues, depression, ect you are very blessed. You are obviously a strong person able to deal with what life throws at you. Not every one can.