Hey, all successful treatments have to start somewhere! It’s at least a glimmer of hope, which I don’t think should be immediately discounted. And, it has been approved by the FDA for asthma treatment for decades.
It's unfortunate that people keep using the word vaccine with cruising.
And its silly too.
If the cruise industry and others are waiting for a vaccine to reopen, then might as well shut down everything and let the world collapse.
Even if there's a vaccine, there will still be millions of ppl getting sick each day.
I've only had the flu vaccine once in my life about 15 years ago and I become so sick right after I almost died.
So I'm skeptical about vaccines.
People get a malaria vaccine when traveling to Africa or the amazon and many still get sick when they come back
But when they come back real sick they get treated (there is an effective treatment against malaria) and the vast majority recover
So, key word is treatment - Until there is one, I seriously doubt DCL or others will ever cruise again.
What happens if someone gets sick with CV on the ship, despite a vaccine?
If someone gets sick with the flu, they give them something to treat them and eventually there's a good chance they'll get better. Not the case now with CV.
Let's hope someone finds a treatment soon rather than, or on top of, a vaccine.
Totally agree. My family tested positive after the WBPC cruise, so we have felt slightly protected in the short term. The question has been for how long. I have been very interested in information about mutation of the virus, and had been happy to hear that it had been very minimal. New information shows that it has now mutated to be less deadly, but more contagious. This could be a good thing because less people could get extremely ill or die. This does not bode well for acquired immunity for the long run since eventually your body will not recognize it as the same virus and you could get reinfected. This also does not bode well for a vaccine. If scientists are already seeing that much of a change in the virus and it keeps mutating, it very well could be obsolete by the time a vaccine is created from the original virus because it will essentially be a new virus.Unfortunately I do not believe there will be a vaccine. At least one that is effective enough (more than 70%) and with enough people willing to be vaccinated, to create herd immunity and lessen the restrictions we are all under. The latest I heard, the virus has mutated, making it less deadly, but more contagious. Additionally, I have also heard that those with immunity because they have been exposed, have immunity that is not permanent, in fact it is quite short-lived. Another problem for vaccine creation. We seem to be hanging our hat on resuming our lives on a vaccine that may just not happen. We do need, however, effective treatments. We, as a country, a world, need to figure out how to live with this virus that allows us to go back to living. We can not hide or shut down forever. I do not know what the answer is, nor do I pretend to have one. I wish I had a treatment. I do agree though that cruising can not be shut down until there is a vaccine. Because that would be just too long, if ever.
And its silly too.
If the cruise industry and others are waiting for a vaccine to reopen, then might as well shut down everything and let the world collapse.
Even if there's a vaccine, there will still be millions of ppl getting sick each day.
I've only had the flu vaccine once in my life about 15 years ago and I become so sick right after I almost died.
So I'm skeptical about vaccines.
People get a malaria vaccine when traveling to Africa or the amazon and many still get sick when they come back
But when they come back real sick they get treated (there is an effective treatment against malaria) and the vast majority recover
So, key word is treatment - Until there is one, I seriously doubt DCL or others will ever cruise again.
What happens if someone gets sick with CV on the ship, despite a vaccine?
If someone gets sick with the flu, they give them something to treat them and eventually there's a good chance they'll get better. Not the case now with CV.
Let's hope someone finds a treatment soon rather than, or on top of, a vaccine.
IMO we shouldn't let our love of cruising/DCL get in the way of common sense. Beyond the issue with the vaccine, the R0 for coronavirus is somewhere between 2-3 (according to ABC News); the common flu is something like 1. Regardless of fatality rate, if hospitalization is required, *that* is the major issue for cruise lines. According to the CDC, the hospitalization rate for coronavirus is almost double that of influenza.
There is no way to know the Covid hospitalization rate because a large percentage of people who test positive have no symptoms. Half of the positive cases on the Diamond Princess had no symptoms and no idea they were ill. So who knows how many have already had Covid and were never tested and didn't even know they had it(those sniffles you had back in Feb/March?) The only way to know the hospitalization rate would be to know exactly how many people have had Covid and ABC News doesn't know that figure nor does any other "expert". Also, you would have to separate out the hospitalization ones with pre-existing medical conditions, they won't give out those numbers either.
Also has nothing to do with our love of cruising, it has do to with the CDC's laser focused fixation on cruising alone. If we were using common sense then we would all be able to see that it doesn't make sense that the CDC's only Covid action during this whole ordeal is just their cruise ban. I mean, really, all the resources of their agency and all of our tax money spent on them and their big contribution to the largest pandemic in their agency's history is to stop the Disney Cruises. Wow, when do we start handing out the medals to them? Way to go champs!
Interesting article from Bloomberg that gives some perspective on the cruise ships [in general, not Disney specific] and what they are up to and some insight into what is required to keep them operational and then bring them back into service:
The World’s Cruise Ships Can’t Sail. Now, What to Do With Them?
Hurricanes, humidity, expired permits—they’re all costly threats to empty ships.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-what-happens-to-cruise-ships-during-covid-19
Ugh. What stuck out to me on the passenger end is that it will take “weeks to months” to get everything running again, even once the okay is given.
So... my March 2021.... do I have any hope?Yep, the issues of CDC permission and recrewing aside, just getting the ships ready from when they get "go" will take some time. And that assumes that the months of this "quarantine idle" for want of a better term hasn't created actual problems to the ship itself (mechanical or otherwise). The article was certainly illuminating in terms of many of the things that have to be taken into consideration and that can go wrong simply by the ship existing at sea...
SW