New Info on VMK Newsletter Page - Pay for play rooms are no longer allowed in VMK.

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1. Everyone LOVES a prize – the promise of rare items and other VMK goodies are a wonderful thought, but remember when you enter a trade, a "Cute or Boot" or Pay to Play room you might be scammed.


2. Pay to Play rooms – where you pay to play a game and it's up to the room owner to award the prize – are extremely questionable. Starting immediately we will no longer allow these rooms in VMK.


3. It's against the VMK Values to create or open ANY type of 'relationship' room (rooms that include words like 'meet,' 'pick,' 'get,' 'find,' 'have,' 'taken,' etc.) in VMK. You'll be warned and possibly banned for opening any type of room that promotes this activity.
For more information or a reminder of what's acceptable in VMK refer to the VMK Values page.






2. What if the Room Owner is not in their room?
Room owners don't have to be in their room, but if a room owner is not in their room you should leave the room and return when they are present. This way you avoid any trouble (like being scammed) and it's against VMK Values to be in a room when the owner's not present.






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Pay for play rooms are no longer allowed in VMK.
6/15 – Everyone LOVES a prize – the promise of rare items and other VMK goodies are a wonderful thought, but remember when you enter a trade, a "Cute or Boot" or Pay to Play room you might be scammed.

Pay to Play rooms in particular – where you pay to play a game and it's up to the room owner to award the prize – are extremely questionable. That's why starting immediately VMK will no longer allow these rooms in VMK.

Scamming is equal to theft and a violation of the VMK Values. If you scam someone in VMK, this will lead to your account being automatically and permanently banned. Having your parents Contact Us to get your account re-activated won't work, because if you can't play by the rules and follow the VMK Values, we don't want you in the game.

Remember, don't let yourself get scammed. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Don't "loan" your stuff and if a room owner refuses to show you their "Cute or Boot" prize or rare item, or you feel they don't really have the prize, leave the room. There are lots of other games to play and things to do in VMK!


This version is a bit longer. ;)
 
If you scam someone in VMK, this will lead to your account being automatically and permanently banned.

Uh-huh. Right. :rolleyes:


Seriously, it's a good idea to ban these rooms, but I bet nothing changes at all because VMK won't enforce it.
 
Uh... yo, great work with this new list-y thing... But, uh...

Where's my newsletter?
 
But VMK their selves are promoting "pay-to-enter rooms" with their turnstyles.
Please make up your mind VMK!!! You can't have it both ways. !!
 
2. What if the Room Owner is not in their room?
Room owners don't have to be in their room, but if a room owner is not in their room you should leave the room and return when they are present. This way you avoid any trouble (like being scammed) and it's against VMK Values to be in a room when the owner's not present.

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For clarification purposes, is it actually against vmk values to be in a room when the owner is not present? I'm asking cause most of the trade rooms i've seen have no owner present most of the time. I could be sitting in a trade room for an hour and not see the owner come by.

So just wondering...
 
Umm, I am often in a family or friends room when they go elsewhere or just leave for the night and I stay to continue the party with the others...so this is now against vmk values? YIKES!:confused3
 
Bugdozer;19226485]2. What if the Room Owner is not in their room?
Room owners don't have to be in their room, but if a room owner is not in their room you should leave the room and return when they are present. This way you avoid any trouble (like being scammed) and it's against VMK Values to be in a room when the owner's not present.[/QUOTE]
I too am a little confused by this I have checked the values to be sure there has been no change there and...there is no way I can twist any of the listed values to come up with this interpretation, I can see very few instances where this would be a problem or where the rule would even be benefitial to the community. A non-owner can do very little with a room that is not theirs and in most cases this is down right ridiculas. I guess connecting friends and family rooms teleporters is now essentialy useless. If people want to ride your ride I guess you must ride along or they will be in violation once they leave the start room. If the owner Dc's at close its a mad scramble out. Oh, I could go on - but I think of all the things they have cooked up this one is pretty crazy.

timonrn said:
Umm, I am often in a family or friends room when they go elsewhere or just leave for the night and I stay to continue the party with the others...so this is now against vmk values? YIKES!
yes apparently so yikes. VMK just became a lot less fun since normal social behavior is now "on the edge" of risky
 
So this means pay to play games such as cute or boot and falling chairs will no longer be acceptable anymore? or are they just making " pay " against VMK Values, Because i love to play cute or boot and i never pay, i just play for fun, it is really to bad that other players spoil the fun for everyone :sad2: :sad1:
 
If you look WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY at the bottom of the VMK Values you will see a link to take you to the HOUSE RULES. Those House Rules are FAR more speific than the Values, but I have yet to see VMK ever refer to them.

VMK House Rules
Whether this is your first time online or you're a seasoned visitor, we've spelled out our house rules for you here. Generally speaking, these rules simply require respect and good manners. Use common sense and you'll feel right at home.

Our specific house rules:
In VMK when it comes to messaging, or chat of any kind, we don't allow obscene, racist, or sexually explicit language, nor do we allow chat or activities that are not consistent with the VMK site.

We reserve the right to remove postings and communications that defame or insult anyone, as well as notes that are abusive or hateful. Political or religious statements are not appropriate in VMK.

Any harassing comments or messages that might be construed as stalking will be deleted and made available to the proper law-enforcement officials.

No solicitations or advertisements are allowed. These include advertisements for your business or latest get-rich-quick scheme. Such notes add clutter and devalue conversation.

You may not suggest or encourage illegal activity. In regards to any illegal or questionable behavior we will assist law-enforcement officials.

You can not use VMK to communicate works copyrighted by other people.

You must respect the privacy of individuals. This means no communication or solicitation of phone numbers, addresses, Social Security numbers, or any other personally identifiable information.

We do not allow any type of relationship (boyfriend, girlfriend, etc.) rooms. You'll be warned and possibly banned for opening any type of room that promotes this activity.

You participate at your own risk in messaging and chat. Keep your password secret, you are responsible for communications from your VMK Character Use information provided by other players at your own risk. VMK takes no responsibility for the content or opinions, from chat, or messaging, or any other communication.

If you see any communication that you feel violates any of the above house rules, please notify the community host by clicking on the 'Help' button in the game, or the Contact Us link on the website.

You will have the opportunity to play games within VMK in order to earn rewards. These rewards are subject to change and may have limited availability. In-Park rewards do not include Park admission.

Don't buy or sell accounts or items. We reserve the right to cancel any player account that was bought or sold, or player accounts that have bought or sold items.
By use of this site and the VMK game, you agree to abide by the VMK Terms of Use.

Failure to comply with the rules of VMK may result in your being banned from VMK temporarily or even permanently.

Use good judgment, and enjoy your time in VMK.

And under TERMS of service.. another set of house rules...

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No where does it say your can't charge for games and that you can't be in a room when the owners not there. NOR does it say we can't talk about the WEATHER!!!
 
Hmm... yes well, I just spent the last 30-40 minutes sending them a nice note about them bumping their heads.:faint: and waking up crazy:crazy: I encourage all of you to use the contact button to let them know how you feel on this new no visit your friends if their not home thing.
 
Anytime Yavn feels the need to justify a new rule he makes, he just says "It is against VMK Values" when in fact, it isnt, never was or had been. This is just a shining example of his arbitrary rulings. This text will be gone in a week and new players will have never seen it since it isnt written down ANY where else.
 
While I think the idea of a pay to play or pay to enter room is ridiculous, an EXCELLENT point has been made:
cat_herder said:
But VMK their selves are promoting "pay-to-enter rooms" with their turnstyles.
Please make up your mind VMK!!! You can't have it both ways. !!
How can VMK say that these types of rooms will not be allowed, when they themselves have rooms/games where you have to pay to enter them and you only get a chance to win a prize out of it? Talk about a double standard.

As far as room owners not being present, I find that absolutely absurd. People have brought up trade rooms, there are also quest rooms. I know SillyQueen usually has a few quest rooms open at the same time, and she has recently won best quest. Thing is, any time I have gone into one of her quest rooms, she's not there. Now I'm not pointing a finger at her...shoot, if I had multiple quest rooms open with each quest running hours at a time, I'd be doing other things too! But how can VMK say that this type of thing isn't allowed when they just awarded someone who does what they claim to be against the Values?

ETA: What about Yavn's rooms he opens up every once in awhile and he's VERY rarely ever in there? Nice example setting.

This whole "against the values" thing is getting out of hand. If they say something is against the values, they need to update the values and stop putting random notes in a newsletter that will eventually go away. But until the values are updated to include the things they say are against it, they need to stop with this nonsense.

mtlhddoc2 said:
Anytime Yavn feels the need to justify a new rule he makes, he just says "It is against VMK Values" when in fact, it isnt, never was or had been. This is just a shining example of his arbitrary rulings. This text will be gone in a week and new players will have never seen it since it isnt written down ANY where else.
Exactly. Just say "it's against the Values[/i] when there's nothing in the values about it. And the ridiculous thing is that they put a link to the values when they say that!

There were other things I noticed that made me laugh and say "yeah right":
3. I keep using the Call for Help Tool and I keep getting a message that says "Press the ignore button!" Is anyone helping with my problem?

Yes, someone is responding to your problem. Just because a moderator sends you a message telling you to please use the "Ignore" Button, it doesn't mean the moderator is ignoring your problem! The moderator is asking you to ignore the other player because the moderator may be investigating the situation or helping another player. Using "Ignore" is the easiest and best way to stop the problem from
4. What happens if you send false reports to staff members?

If you send a false report you could get banned. Yes, we want you to report players that aren't following the VMK Values (no, you won't get banned for reporting someone - if your report is indeed real), but DO NOT send false reports. Our Moderators and Staff research your report and if we find you've reported something which isn't true, you'll get a warning (which goes against your account), and you possibly could be banned. (The VMK Staff is very busy and are working very hard to keep you safe – so don't send them on a wild goose chase, it's not a good use of their time.)

Report ONLY things that HAVE happened, not what you think or assume someone has done, and report the issue IMMEDIATELY! If VMK Staff don't appear it doesn't mean the situation isn't being monitored or looked into (remember, we see everything that goes on in the game, and don't have to physically be in the game to do so) so you don't need to re-report it, leave the room and play in another room. VMK Staff researches all reports.
Now I know with the last one, there ARE people who do false reporting. However there are plenty of people who do perfectly legitimate reports and then get a warning that if they make more fasle reports, they'll be banned. Yeah, VMK, great research. Or there are situations where people are scammed, they report it, and in a not so subtle way, they claim that the victim is really the liar. Another great example of this so called "research".

I love playing VMK, but I'm tired of walking on eggshells afraid that the next thing I say on there will all of a sudden be "against the values". If VMK were to end, yes I'd miss the game, but I certainly wouldn't miss all of this craziness.
 
Ok I do not get it. Why can you not be in a room of a person that is not there. What difference is that to hanging out on Main street. You can not boot anyone on main street either. Now that rule is just as they say in VMK dumbo.

There are 1000's of players with adjoining room especially with all the ride competitions. This really was not thought through Yavn.

I guess we willl never see the turnsiles because it is a pay as you play thing and unfortunately too many would scam people with this.

And if this is the case why are we playing for pirates. If they want to make VMK fair all games you should pay for or all games free. And then their our the host games that you have to pay five credits to choose a teleporter to win a prize. And that is in host rooms.

Their new values are double talk.
 
But VMK their selves are promoting "pay-to-enter rooms" with their turnstyles.
Please make up your mind VMK!!! You can't have it both ways. !!

:rotfl2:

Yeah i still dont believe you get banned for scamming, ( From Mals Story )

thanks VMK...
 
Uh-huh. Right. :rolleyes:


Seriously, it's a good idea to ban these rooms, but I bet nothing changes at all because VMK won't enforce it.

Do they enforce anything?


We all know this too well, my case is the perfect example-where they turn it around and call the person scammed the liar and the cheat.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1484693


I truly am hoping things change and hoping I receive an apology from VMK for the rude condescending letter they sent me, but I will not hold my breath for that.


As far as being against the rules to be in a owners room when they are not present, what a moronic rule that is....
 
The BIG BIG BIG Difference between the PAY Rare and Turnstile is.... Turnstile has a limimt on what can be charged, and no chance to take a persons money more than once eveery 2 hours... Pay to Play I have seen kids fork over things 2...3.... even 4 times before finally losing and not paying.
 
4. What happens if you send false reports to staff members?

If you send a false report you could get banned. Yes, we want you to report players that aren't following the VMK Values (no, you won't get banned for reporting someone - if your report is indeed real), but DO NOT send false reports. Our Moderators and Staff research your report and if we find you've reported something which isn't true, you'll get a warning (which goes against your account), and you possibly could be banned. (The VMK Staff is very busy and are working very hard to keep you safe – so don't send them on a wild goose chase, it's not a good use of their time.)


Red highlighted line...This is really rich isn't it! and how do we know what warning has gone against our acct and how do we argue that warning or defend ourselves.

Case in point...I once said I moderated a fan site and got warned for impersonating VMK staff!

Like I have said before we need a point system for warnings, and a way to know what those points mean and along with that we need a player arbitration committee who does their job correctly and does not close the case until the player/customer is satisfied with the answer they have received. Not a flob off like most of us get when we use contact us.:headache:
 
- tap, tap, tap -

Another nail in the coffin that is my VMK playing...

Stupid is as stupid does, and the "it's against values to be in a player's room when they are not there" is whole new level of stupid.

Oh, and I'll hold my breath about seeing scammers banned.

BTW, there's this great bridge I want to sell you...
 
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