HM POT may or may not go out to 2:30 for the other races in the 2024-25 season, but also remember that it's not the same POT for the marathon. IF (and this is a big if) they bump the M time up to 5 hours and keep the same formula, you'd need about a 2:22, if I'm doing the math right (which could go either way). So you'd probably be okay with a 2:19 HM for either in that case; just don't forget there's a gap there.
My guess is C will require the POT. Honestly, I think it's best. C has been huge the past couple years and they really do need to disperse it better. This will definitely help.
Hopefully it will be three corrals - A, B, C.
I was watching onceuponamarathon on Instagram and She shared the idea that Club rundisney would be the first not POT corral. While I don't necessarily agree with Club getting to be in B, if I had bought it and then they changed this perk I wouldn't be too happy.
They better not move CrD backwards, my races have been much more enjoyable since getting that earlier start
They don’t always care to make people happy. E.g. I wasn’t happy when they suddenly decided to take away the early registration perk from DVC and AP folks after we bought APs. There was really no advance warning.
I remember when CrD was first announced, the language made it seem more like members would get a one corral bump. If they qualified for E, they would bump to D, for example. We never had any races with the club before the pandemic though, so we didn't really see what they intended. It seems rD has just been trying to do everything to make it the easiest for the since the return, so why not just throw everyone into one corral?
I don't think rD even actually specified what they meant by 'upgraded' and we all just sort interpreted it in our own way.
I'm also a former corral C runner. This year was my first in B and my experience was so much better! I hope with the expanded POT it will extend to C and not overcrowd A and B. When I was in C I felt I was appropriately seeded at that time, however, I felt like there were many, many runners who were not and it impacted my ability to run and my overall experience. I had to arrive early and line up before the corrals opened to hopefully get to the front of C. No time for pictures or socializing really. And even then I was blocked by walkers right out of the gate. There is just no reason C needs to hold over 50% of the field. It doesn't make sense so hopefully this will alleviate the chaos that is corral C by making it another smaller POT corral. I worked hard to get my POT to get me out of C so I'm really hoping B isn't the new C.
Don’t get me started on the 10k. Before COVID I did the Princess 10k in C, and now after focusing on injury prevention, strength, and working with coaches, I really belong in B, but got out in C last year. I really wish we could submit a POT for the 10k so we could be properly seeded. My cousin put a 10-12mm pace last year and got B, I put 8-10mm based on my PR and I got C.I'm also a former corral C runner. This year was my first in B and my experience was so much better! I hope with the expanded POT it will extend to C and not overcrowd A and B. When I was in C I felt I was appropriately seeded at that time, however, I felt like there were many, many runners who were not and it impacted my ability to run and my overall experience. I had to arrive early and line up before the corrals opened to hopefully get to the front of C. No time for pictures or socializing really. And even then I was blocked by walkers right out of the gate. There is just no reason C needs to hold over 50% of the field. It doesn't make sense so hopefully this will alleviate the chaos that is corral C by making it another smaller POT corral. I worked hard to get my POT to get me out of C so I'm really hoping B isn't the new C.
Also, my opinion, a lot of people dislike CrD getting B but I feel like there are way less CrD in B than there is misplaced runners in C. That corral is more problematic due to its size and the co-mingling of people intending to run a quicker pace and people from the back wanting/needing more time so they pick the first available non-POT time.
If rD had enough employees to check I think they should allow everyone to submit a POT from a valid race and seed every appropriately. Its benefit is two-fold: puts people in the appropriate corral as well as gets new runners experience in an official race (and supports local races!). Everyone is always complaining about lack of race etiquette and some of that is due to so many beginner runners at these races.
This will always be a problem unless rD does as you say and extends PoT even further. The first non-pot corral has been chaos for years.There is just no reason C needs to hold over 50% of the field. It doesn't make sense so hopefully this will alleviate the chaos that is corral C by making it another smaller POT corral. I worked hard to get my POT to get me out of C so I'm really hoping B isn't the new C.
Agree! I don’t remember these crowding issues pre pandemic when POT extended to 2:45. Maybe I just notice them more now, but corral C for the half during marathon weekend the past two years (running goofy and needing POT for the marathon) was miserable enough that I’m not running the half next year. For whatever reasons, if there were crowding issues in the full marathon, I was able to get ahead/around them for the full but not in the half. I finally did run a 2:04 after the September deadline, so would probably be corral B next year, but going to see how this plays out and stick to the full only.I'm also a former corral C runner. This year was my first in B and my experience was so much better! I hope with the expanded POT it will extend to C and not overcrowd A and B. When I was in C I felt I was appropriately seeded at that time, however, I felt like there were many, many runners who were not and it impacted my ability to run and my overall experience. I had to arrive early and line up before the corrals opened to hopefully get to the front of C. No time for pictures or socializing really. And even then I was blocked by walkers right out of the gate. There is just no reason C needs to hold over 50% of the field. It doesn't make sense so hopefully this will alleviate the chaos that is corral C by making it another smaller POT corral. I worked hard to get my POT to get me out of C so I'm really hoping B isn't the new C.
Also, my opinion, a lot of people dislike CrD getting B but I feel like there are way less CrD in B than there is misplaced runners in C. That corral is more problematic due to its size and the co-mingling of people intending to run a quicker pace and people from the back wanting/needing more time so they pick the first available non-POT time.
If rD had enough employees to check I think they should allow everyone to submit a POT from a valid race and seed every appropriately. Its benefit is two-fold: puts people in the appropriate corral as well as gets new runners experience in an official race (and supports local races!). Everyone is always complaining about lack of race etiquette and some of that is due to so many beginner runners at these races.
C (2:15-2:30) & D (2:30-2:45) used to be POT corrals. When they dropped the POT to 2:30, D became the ginormous corral with most of the field in it. It was pre Covid when they dropped D as a POT corral and post Covid when they dropped C.I'm also a former corral C runner. This year was my first in B and my experience was so much better! I hope with the expanded POT it will extend to C and not overcrowd A and B. When I was in C I felt I was appropriately seeded at that time, however, I felt like there were many, many runners who were not and it impacted my ability to run and my overall experience. I had to arrive early and line up before the corrals opened to hopefully get to the front of C. No time for pictures or socializing really. And even then I was blocked by walkers right out of the gate. There is just no reason C needs to hold over 50% of the field. It doesn't make sense so hopefully this will alleviate the chaos that is corral C by making it another smaller POT corral. I worked hard to get my POT to get me out of C so I'm really hoping B isn't the new C.
Also, my opinion, a lot of people dislike CrD getting B but I feel like there are way less CrD in B than there is misplaced runners in C. That corral is more problematic due to its size and the co-mingling of people intending to run a quicker pace and people from the back wanting/needing more time so they pick the first available non-POT time.
If rD had enough employees to check I think they should allow everyone to submit a POT from a valid race and seed every appropriately. Its benefit is two-fold: puts people in the appropriate corral as well as gets new runners experience in an official race (and supports local races!). Everyone is always complaining about lack of race etiquette and some of that is due to so many beginner runners at these races.
I'm okay with this. Should fix congestion and injuries on the course from people lying about their pace
You basically hit the nail on the head in that rD needs to have more corrals which require a POT. The system is inherently flawed if you are trusting people to give an honest estimation of their finish time. I trust that this will be an unpopular opinion, but I feel that Groups A through E should require a POT and have the last group for runners who don't wish to provide proof of time.
I think this is the way it was way back when. Either the last corral or the last two corrals were where runners without a POT ended up. All the other corrals were properly seeded and POT was known to be uber important.
