WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

[WorldOfPooh]

Well, not comparable to New York City, but we have a very large of segment of the population in Maryland, VA, and DC that use the Metro, Metrobus, commuter buses, and vanpools. That's all come to a screeching halt, for sure, and people are avoiding those modes of transportation these days (though they are still running). People are still using them but at a fraction of what they did before.

And while we are more spread out that New York or Chicago, my area still had an over 20% positivity rate in April and May, even with expanded testing. It's come way down.

Most people have option though.

Places like NYC, Chicago, Europe, Asia alot of people don't own cars. So there is no option other than public transportation.

 

[zacharyt25]

i want to say that i have the highest level of respect for anyone, in the BEST of conditions, who has the stamina to do wdw in july. you have stamina and some kind of genetic gift that i marvel at. i can barely tolerate the humidity there during the winter-summer????? i would be a puddle exiting the airport. my last trip to orlando was during what the local news deemed an 'unseasonable cold snap' last december. lifeguards at pools were in heavy coats, water parks were closed, everyone we saw was in long sleeves with knit hats...........we were sweltering in shorts and tank tops.

summer vacationers to wdw are amazing.

I'm going at the end of August, but thank you anyways It will definitely be hot but I've gone before during this time so I'm prepared!!!!

 

[Christine]

Most people have option though.

Places like NYC, Chicago, Europe, Asia alot of people don't own cars. So there is no option other than public transportation.

I agree. We are still pretty densely packed and rely on transit. You might have a car, but nowhere to park. Again, we had some pretty bad numbers back in April/May. They were pretty strict here about closing down and it's impressive how much our "curve" fell. Not sure where we are going here with this discussion. I commented that the protests didn't drive a spike for us. They still haven't and the protests were significant.

 

[Disneybuckeye]

My mother's friend (in her early 80's) flew back to Florida yesterday from Ohio. She was exposed a week before her return and knew it. She chose to fly home anyway and, her exact words per my mom, "I just did not tell anybody".

This is why cases are skyrocketing. She did not need to get on that plane. She says she sat in a row by herself with a mask so it was ok. She is not showing any symptoms, but I don't think that matters.

I told my mom she is not a friend at this point and to stay away from her. Luckily she lives in a different neighborhood so she should easily be able to do that. I also do not know if she will be in quarantine for the next two weeks or not.

I guess you can't fix stupid.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Exactly. It's precisely because Florida is so reliant on tourism that their failure to address this quickly and adequately is such a disaster. And why opening up willy-nilly now will just continue the disaster. The rest of the world is looking at Florida and thinking "no one in hell am I going there any time soon" Something legally open isn't what will improve Florida's economy. Good (and transparent!) numbers are what will make people feel safe and willing to go.

This is exactly right. Once upon a time I had hoped to be able to return to WDW in early December of this year. The situation nationwide made that more unlikely as time went on so I moved my planned trip to late February/early March 2021. Now I think that trip probably has a less than 50% chance of happening and I will likely end up eating some DVC points because it I think it is going to be a really long time before things feel safe enough there for me to risk it. We had plans for a giant family trip next November and even that is in question with various levels of risk in our group.

 

[barkley]

Disney deals with 'difficult' people on a daily basis (when they were open)... people are frequently escorted out of the parks without making a big scene as they are trained to.

there's a whole new breed of difficult people out there who are just itching to create a big scene so security's previous training may not be as effective.

once word gets out that people will be asked to leave if they don't comply with mask wearing, then people who plan on not following the rules will not visit the parks, or comply with rules if they do

wow, it's the law in my state and non compliance garners more than being asked to leave a business. we're still waiting for people to either opt not to visit or comply.

Universal has had fairly good mask compliance according to most accounts I have read (other than Volcano Bay, but the rules are pretty 'loose' there.)

so just as i indicated in my post-not enforcing the rules b/c if they actually were it would be 100% compliance and no 'loose' rules.


i'll just sit back and wait to see what happens like everyone else (and i'm just waiting to see a new lawsuit by the autism group that's got it out for disney if they follow universal's disability policy-i've got a kid on the spectrum and there is NO WAY he or many of his fellow asd folks can tolerate a face shield so it being considered a 'reasonable accommodation' under ada is going to be a hard sell).

 

[WorldOfPooh]

And not wearing masks...

It's weird to me that people are pushing this protest narrative.



I think it's more of the above.

And if protests were the reason, you can't pivot to "oh there's other factors" when the data doesn't work in your favor.....

The goalposts are most effective when firmly planted.

Oh not wearing masks or going to large gathering non social distancing protests or conventions is a given.
That should be obvious to anyone.

 

[Jrb1979]

Just to put this out there and to think about it for a minute. For those that are going to Disney soon you probably have a good chance of getting Covid even with all the measures in place. I'm not saying for you not to go. My health is more important then some vacation at this point.

 

[skyblue17]

Oh not wearing masks or going to large gathering non social distancing protests or conventions is a given.
That should be obvious to anyone.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...ublicans-are-still-blaming-them/#4f976416e139
Let the protest thing go. It's been weeks and most of the places that had large scale protests have not seen upticks. Most people socially conscious enough to want to protest also are socially conscious enough to respect the virus and those around them and wear masks.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

Just to put this out there and to think about it for a minute. For those that are going to Disney soon you probably have a good chance of getting Covid even with all the measures in place. I'm not saying for you not to go. My health is more important then some vacation at this point.

Well one thing about Disney is they are having social distancing measures in place plus reduced capacity.
So that would be different than shoulder to shoulder shouting protesters or loud convention participants.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Well one thing about Disney is they are having social distancing measures in place plus reduced capacity.
So that would be different than shoulder to shoulder shouting protesters or loud convention participants.

Protests = outside

Disney = much of it is inside.

That's the problem.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...ublicans-are-still-blaming-them/#4f976416e139
Let the protest thing go. It's been weeks and most of the places that had large scale protests have not seen upticks. Most people socially conscious enough to want to protest also are socially conscious enough to respect the virus and those around them and wear masks.

Not all are wearing masks.
They aren't social distancing though. There should at least be 6 feet between persons and no shouting, singing or screaming

There is a reason the theater is closed, baseball and basketball games have no spectators, and there are no concerts. etc. It's not hard to follow. People all around the world are following these rules as regards to the theater, music concerts, sports.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

Protests = outside

Disney = much of it is inside.

That's the problem.

Baseball game are outside.
Soccer games are outside.
alot of music concerts are outsdie.
Yet no fans.

And alot of disney is outside.

 

[dlavender]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...ublicans-are-still-blaming-them/#4f976416e139
Let the protest thing go. It's been weeks and most of the places that had large scale protests have not seen upticks. Most people socially conscious enough to want to protest also are socially conscious enough to respect the virus and those around them and wear masks.

Yeah, but if the numbers didn't spike its because they drove a car.

You have to protest and use public transportation....

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Baseball game are outside.
Soccer games are outside.
alot of music concerts are outsdie.
Yet no fans.

And alot of disney is outside.

Sure, but Disney restaurants, resorts, indoor attractions exacerbate the problem even further.

 

[skyblue17]

Not all are wearing masks.
They aren't social distancing though. There should at least be 6 feet between persons and no shouting, singing or screaming

There is a reason the theater is closed, baseball and basketball games have no spectators, and there are no concerts. etc. It's not hard to follow. People all around the world are following these rules as regards to the theater, music concerts, sports.

Many were. Police were not, but many protesters were. And now that they have found that the protests did not cause an uptick, it should be let go, because they did not cause the uptick you think they did.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

Many were. Police were not, but many protesters were. And now that they have found that the protests did not cause an uptick, it should be let go, because they did not cause the uptick you think they did.

We will have to disagree.
I think it's common sense that large gathering non social distancing protests and conventions are super spreaders. You don't.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

We will have to disagree.
I think it's common sense that large gathering non social distancing protests and conventions are super spreaders. You don't.

Conventions/rallies yes, for sure, they are indoors, none of those people are wearing masks.

Protests have already happened, with masks, no uptick.

 

[Christine]

Well one thing about Disney is they are having social distancing measures in place plus reduced capacity.
So that would be different than shoulder to shoulder shouting protesters or loud convention participants.

Nothing. I think that outdoor gathering at Disney would be no less safe than a protest. I'm with you on that. Problem is that many of Disney's rides have indoor queues, or even partially outdoor queues with little airflow. Also, at least this time of year, the Florida heat drives people into gifts shops and the like. Indoor, enclosed areas have been shown to elicit super spreading.

 

[Disneybuckeye]

Just to put this out there and to think about it for a minute. For those that are going to Disney soon you probably have a good chance of getting Covid even with all the measures in place. I'm not saying for you not to go. My health is more important then some vacation at this point.

This is fear mongering.. You are entitled to make a decision for you based on how comfortable you are with risk levels. Trying to scare others by implying they will get Covid if they go to Disney World is not necessary.