What if Disney banned unvaccinated children from their hotels and parks?

[meggiebeth]

What also makes things difficult is that different countries have different vaccination programs. From what I’ve heard, although our children in the U.K. aren’t immunised from chicken pox (most people catch it early on in life instead) many countries do have a national chicken pox vaccination program. I really don’t think this kind of ban anywhere would be easily enforceable, particularly in tourist destinations where many international visitors may be excluded.

 

[bushdianee]

One thing I do wonder about though is that there are many people in my generation (born in the '60s) that contracted measles (called "red measles"), mumps and/or rubella (called "German measles"). While it was always a serious concern, measles was certainly not considered a death sentence. I personally don't know of anyone who suffered grave effects. Has the virus mutated somehow to make it more virulent?[/QUOTE]

I used to babysit for a boy who was born deaf because his mother had been exposed to measles during pregnancy. This was in the mid 70’s.

I was born in the late 50’s so I had all of these diseases. I had the mumps before I went to school and everything else between kindergarten and 1st grade. My brother, sister and I all had chicken pox when my mom gave birth to twins. They kept them in the hospital longer because of it even though we were at my grandmother’s house. I had a hard time building up an immunity to rubella. I had them 3 or 4 years in a row. I was checked when I was working in a hospital and finally showed immunity.

 

[Julie's Haircut]

It might be an old wives' tale but I remember often hearing as a child that sterility would result if an adult man got the mumps. Rubella (German measles) as I understand it is a mild disease except when contracted by pregnant women - then it can apparently result in severe birth defects.

I got my mumps vaccine when I was 14 and was told the same thing by the doctor.

As it turns out, by age 20 I knew I didn't want any kids so at least that part wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[Hrhpd]

How many of you have kept up with your immunization booster shots over the years? They aren’t good for life, I forget the schedule but some need to be redone every 10-15 years.

Which ones?

I am in my 60's and haven't had a booster (except tetanus) since childhood. But 2 years ago, in order to volunteer in a hospital, I had to either produce my vaccination records or submit to a blood test.

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[Hrhpd]

I know this is a huge contrversial subject, but I was in my breakroom at work and the news was on the TV with the volume muted. I just saw the tag line at the bottom of the screen: MEASLES OUTBREAK: UNVACCINATED CHILDREN TO BE BANNED

Banned from where, I don't know. I was busy preparing my dinner. It got me thinking, how would any place enforce it? Ask for proof of vaccination? IMO, most parents would lie, if it prevented them from being inconvenienced.

So...that got me thinking more, what if Disney decided the risk was just too great, especially with the amount of immuno-compromised children that visit Disney every year. Would they trust the honor system? Would parents lie? Would Disney ask for proof?

It was recently in the news that one country (Australia?) finally made it official countrywide that no child could attend school without being fully vaccinated. I saw a similar thing flash across my screen about kids being banned from school. Good for that country! It should be that if you want to attend school you vaccinate. If you don't want to, fine, but you have to home school. And no extra curriculars either (sports teams, band, etc )

 

[DISNEY1975]

Since 2013 MA has required schools to take BMI measurements in grades 1,4,7, and 10. So the school is wasting learning time weighing kids because they are required to do so. MA has been requiring schools to weigh and measure kids since the 1950s. Ridiculous, but it's required by the state so the schools must do it.

Yes, I live in MA. She was in 7th grade for that incident, now in 9th. What I dont understand is the requirement to have the physical on file at the school, which shows her weight and height, then the school weighing and measuring the students. Do they not believe the Drs office? And even worse, sending a "report card" home telling a 13 yo girl she is obese. Thanks for the info on the grades. I never knew. I will have to get in touch with the school before next year to see if there is an opt out option.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Could they 100% ban smoking too? That would be great.

I'm psychic!


https://wdwnt.com/2019/03/breaking-...-park-smoking-areas-new-stroller-limitations/

Also beginning May 1, smoking areas will no longer be present inside Walt Disney World or Disneyland theme parks, water parks, ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex or Downtown Disney in California.

Designated smoking areas will be available outside the entrances of the areas listed above and at Disney Springs in Florida. For guests who have room or dining reservations, smoking areas are also available at Disney Resort hotels.

 

[daisyx3]

I just wanted to say that I have decided to go get my titers checked based on this thread. I know I had chicken pox as a child and had shots growing up, but in June I'm going to see my new grandchild (due June 1) as well as my 2 1/2 year old grandson and I don't want to take any chances.

 

[arminnie]

I just spent some time with an allergist getting lots of things check but primarily my immune responses. I got a pneumonia vaccine a year ago - I have ZERO immunity from it. Not sure why.

 

[Turksmom]

How many of you have kept up with your immunization booster shots over the years? They aren’t good for life, I forget the schedule but some need to be redone every 10-15 years.

My Dr.s always checked after my children were born and gave boosters then if needed. I just realized that my youngest is 11, so I'm probably due for some now.

 

[billlaurie]

I got measles as a teenager and it was miserable. I had been vaccinated as a baby but had no booster because they hadn't started giving boosters yet. I had my titers checked before going to college and everything was good. Some people don't mount an immune response with vaccination for various reasons and simply being vaccinated isn't enough to ensure immunity. My daughter had chickenpox in kindergarten but before going to pharmacy school she was required to have her titers checked and they were so low that she needed to get vaccinated even though she had a documented case of chickenpox.

 

[dazedx3]

I work at a school and have to check immunization records for my children. Something I find really odd, is that I have to require parents to submit their child's records every 6 months, they can be excluded if they are not turned in on time. However, families not vaccinating,just have to sign the report. Those familes are not excluded, but those that vaccinate and are 2 days late are excluded. It seems wrong.

 

[Imzadi]

I just spent some time with an allergist getting lots of things check but primarily my immune responses. I got a pneumonia vaccine a year ago - I have ZERO immunity from it. Not sure why.

Have you been exposed to a lot of smokers? A lot of smokers are more susceptible to pneumonia. If you got a lot second hand smoke, it could explain why you may be more susceptible to it.

 

[LovesTimone]

when I was in school, they lined us up... and gave us the vaccine's, there was no talk, no discussion about it... roll up your sleeve and the nurse would holler next... all done, back to class...

Where my Sweet Grandson, goes to daycare everyone must be vaccinated... no discussion... and proof is shown, they will even double check if they are concern that the document its not familiar to them, or a fake document...

If you don't want to have your kids vaccinated that's on you and your rights.... Then keep them home, and home school them... Keep them away from the public, while its your right... Its not your right to infect other families... Other people have rights as well... and in this country the majority rules...and public safety is a major concern...

If you can't bring peanut butter to school or plane or office because of allergies for one or two people.... Then certainly keeping everyone safe from disease's should be on the top of the list...

 

[arminnie]

Have you been exposed to a lot of smokers? A lot of smokers are more susceptible to pneumonia. If you got a lot second hand smoke, it could explain why you may be more susceptible to it.

No. When I was reading about the new smoking ban I was trying to think if I even knew anyone who smoked. Not sure the last time I was even near a cigarette.

I’m older so most people my age who used to smoke have either quit or died. I never smoked.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

A couple of years ago, I got a letter from the school stating my child was "obese". My daughter said everyone had to go to the nurses office and get weighed (public school!). My daughter was about 5'7: at the time and weighed 120. Hardly "obese". My daughter was very upset she was labeled that. Luckily I convinced her she wasnt. This could have led to an eating disorder.

My daughter 2 years ago.... The letter came about a month before our Disney trip. Could she lose 5 lbs? Sure, but obese ???


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According to Marine Corps standards, at 5'7" and 120lbs, she actually would have been UNDERWEIGHT, not obese. The minimum weight they classify as normal for someone 5'7" is 121 and is based off of BMI. In Boot Camp, people were actually put on double rations if they were underweight. They would have told her she needed to gain a couple pounds!

--- You also get a tetanus booster following child birth. So I'm probably due for a booster as I'm not having anymore kids!

Maybe that's a regional thing? I wasn't given the booster after either of my pregnancies. It was never even mentioned even though they had my records and could have easily seen that I hadn't received a tetanus shot in recent years (it had actually been over 10 years since I had one when my second was born).

Error or not, it was right there in black and white (actually I think red/pink and white). Wish I kept it, but shredded it. All the kids were comparing their "BMI" and my daughter was mortified to show hers with the word "Obese" on it. Kids can be cruel. I dont understand, especially as its mandatory to pass in a physical, why the school would waste learning time weighing the kids? (Then sticking a label on them) Her Dr does that.



Yes, at 5'7" she was quite tall for a 7th grade girl. Her height should not make her obese. She is in 9th now, 5'9" (130lbs). Pretty sure she has stopped growing..or at least wont grow more than 1 more inch max. She is on the volleyball, basketball and tennis teams at HS, and takes hip hop 2x per week. she is running around/dancing 2 - 3 hours per day, 7 days per week. I dont see her losing any weight because she definitely wont be exercising more and doubtful she will change her eating habits. So if 130lbs is considered obese, so be it.

She is still insanely far from obese and I really hope she doesn't let any letter convince her otherwise. Again, using Marine Corps standards, 130 lbs at 5'9" puts her just above the minimum for a normal weight (the min at 5'9" is 128). She wouldn't even be considered overweight unless she was over 176!

 

[DISNEY1975]

According to Marine Corps standards, at 5'7" and 120lbs, she actually would have been UNDERWEIGHT, not obese. The minimum weight they classify as normal for someone 5'7" is 121 and is based off of BMI. In Boot Camp, people were actually put on double rations if they were underweight. They would have told her she needed to gain a couple pounds!



Maybe that's a regional thing? I wasn't given the booster after either of my pregnancies. It was never even mentioned even though they had my records and could have easily seen that I hadn't received a tetanus shot in recent years (it had actually been over 10 years since I had one when my second was born).



She is still insanely far from obese and I really hope she doesn't let any letter convince her otherwise. Again, using Marine Corps standards, 130 lbs at 5'9" puts her just above the minimum for a normal weight (the min at 5'9" is 128). She wouldn't even be considered overweight unless she was over 176!

It is a non issue at this point. I convinced her 2 years ago that the letter meant nothing and she was just fine. But I just showed her your posts and she is even happier Thank you very much for your facts. Im not sure why she got the label, but Im sure being 120 at age 13 played a factor.

 

[AustinTink]

I understand the point you're trying to make here, but I have a life-threatening food allergy and don't appreciate this meme whatsoever. I'm pro-vaccinations, I just don't want my illness to be used this way in this debate. People choose not to vaccinate. I have no choice with my illness.

 

[Toolulu22]

Well, if you or your kids haven’t been vaccinated I’d be concerned. Remember this:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm

If I’m not mistaken this outbreak at Disneyland was the first large scale outbreak that was widely reported in recent years. I remember being more than a little concerned that this formerly eradicated disease was now popping up in number.

Someone mentioned that we are concerned about gluten and not contagious diseases.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003082734.htm

When I went to college I had to prove I had my MMR vaccine. Not sure if they still do this/all schools do this. Not saying Disney would do this, but if an outbreak started I guess k-12 schools might. Not sure. We get notifications of when someone comes down with a contagious disease in our school, which at least gives us options.

 

[Toolulu22]

There's no longer any pretending measles, which had been completely eradicated in North America, has now returned, perhaps permanently. What a shame.

Personally, I don't discount parents concerns out of hand; we were very cautious and purposeful in vaccinating our DS. When he was that age (in the late '90s), there were prominent discussions about the potential danger of mercury-based preservatives and various ajuvants in vaccines. We paid OOP to have him vaccinated from single-dose vials without thimerisol, and he received only one vaccine at a time, on a schedule supervised by our doctor, in order to minimize the risks of reaction as much as possible. Given the information we had at the time, I feel our approach was reasonable and I'd do the same again, but not vaccinating was never a consideration.

One thing I do wonder about though is that there are many people in my generation (born in the '60s) that contracted measles (called "red measles"), mumps and/or rubella (called "German measles"). While it was always a serious concern, measles was certainly not considered a death sentence. I personally don't know of anyone who suffered grave effects. Has the virus mutated somehow to make it more virulent?

For young children it can be very serious.
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html
http://rocklandgov.com/departments/health/measles-information/