GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[dvcgirl67]

I think, Universal did this much better. They opened before the cases spiked, and they have done a good job of making people feel safe visiting.

Now, Disney gets to open as cases spike.

Right, but does it matter now? They're open in the middle of a storm. And while I know people travel down just to go to Universal, Disney is a beacon for the nation. People will fly in from all over the country, and some of them will get sick and bring it back to communities across the country.

Florida, Texas and Arizona needs to do what California just did....close everything indoors where you don't have to wear a mask....meaning, indoor dining. And limit capacity for every other business and require masks to be work indoors and when you can't physically distance properly outside. Roll back in-person gatherings to 10 or less and crack down like crazy on people who break the rules.

How on earth does anyone think they can open up schools in that environment? So, as a nation we have to make tough decisions. Keep bars, indoor dining and other things like that open....or open the schools. The bars are all hurting more than other industries....why not give them some kind of bailout like say...the airlines got. PPP wasn't enough for them and many restaurants as well...because they can't responsibly be open at this time.

Let's help them more, and keep our healthcare system from being overrun.

 

[sam_gordon]

Scott Gottlieb estimates that we have more like 200,000 to 300,000 infected in the US on a daily basis

That would actually be a good thing IMO. That would mean the % of people admitted to the hospital (or worse) goes lower.

 

[godisney14]

That would actually be a good thing IMO. That would mean the % of people admitted to the hospital (or worse) goes lower.

How does % of people admitted have an affect?

Ie. If you have 10 people admitted for every 100 versus 10 people admitted for every 1,000, you still have 10 people admitted into a limited capacity system.

 

[RamblingMad]

How does % of people admitted have an affect?

Ie. If you have 10 people admitted for every 100 versus 10 people admitted for every 1,000, you still have 10 people admitted into a limited capacity system.

I thought the hospitalization rate was about 12% of those infected.

 

[wombat_5606]

How does % of people admitted have an affect?

Ie. If you have 10 people admitted for every 100 versus 10 people admitted for every 1,000, you still have 10 people admitted into a limited capacity system.

Florida admitted over 300 people to the hospital in the last 24 hours. The last 7 day average is 42 deaths per day. This puts their statistics on a par with their situation in early May.

16% of people tested are positive. They are experiencing a plateau of the number of tests they are conducting. Since testing started, 8% of Florida's tests are positive.

There are only about 20% of hospital beds available statewide. The availability in central Florida is around 16%.

I've heard it said so many times that younger people are the cause of the new cases so it's no big deal, but I heard a epidemiologist make a good analogy this morning. He said it's like playing russian roulette with a lot of guns.

Disney and Florida may be staying open. This is a holiday weekend and I can't imagine what we are going to witness if the residents and visitors don't change their behavior.

 

[sam_gordon]

How does % of people admitted have an affect?

Ie. If you have 10 people admitted for every 100 versus 10 people admitted for every 1,000, you still have 10 people admitted into a limited capacity system.

It doesn't really have an affect, but if only 10 people out of 1000 are serious enough to need hospitalization, vs 10 people out of 100, you don't see that as better?

I'd rather have 1% needing hospitalization than 10%. Not you?

 

[GlamMistress]

The case numbers out of Florida today are terrible.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278714913230401538

 

[dlavender]

It doesn't really have an affect, but if only 10 people out of 1000 are serious enough to need hospitalization, vs 10 people out of 100, you don't see that as better?

I'd rather have .1% needing hospitalization than 10%. Not you?

I think the point is, there are only so many beds. Lower percentage is better, but a lower percentage of a higher number that still leads to an overrun of the hospital system is still as problematic.

 

[sam_gordon]

I think the point is, there are only so many beds. Lower percentage is better, but a lower percentage of a higher number that still leads to an overrun of the hospital system is still as problematic.

And my point is it is better overall for a lower percentage to need hospitalization. AND the more who get a "lesser" case (no hospitalization needed), the better. Unless people still think we stand a shot of quickly eliminating the virus (which was never realistic IMO).

 

[TomServo27]

I think, Universal did this much better. They opened before the cases spiked, and they have done a good job of making people feel safe visiting.

Now, Disney gets to open as cases spike.

Disney has go to be pulling their hair out over what’s going on. They chose to be conservative and wait to open. Now they are gonna look really bad if they do open while cases a spiking like crazy. I think the optics of WDW opening with cases spiking are just gonna be too bad for them in the end. But time is running out quickly.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Disney has go to be pulling their hair out over what’s going on. They chose to be conservative and wait to open. Now they are gonna look really bad if they do open while cases a spiking like crazy. I think the optics of WDW opening with cases spiking are just gonna be too bad for them in the end. But time is running out quickly.

And I think they weren't conservative. They should not be open this summer at all. Unfortunately, they are teetering on a cliff of trying to pay their employees and keep their parks open long term while keeping public safety at the forefront. Then you have all the DVC people claiming it's illegal to keep them out. It's pure insanity no matter what.

 

[TomServo27]

And I think they weren't conservative. They should not be open this summer at all. Unfortunately, they are teetering on a cliff of trying to pay their employees and keep their parks open long term while keeping public safety at the forefront. Then you have all the DVC people claiming it's illegal to keep them out. It's pure insanity no matter what.

I just meant they were more conservative than Universal. In the end they are gonna look worse if they do open. Can’t imagine the headlines if when WDW opens we are still seeing cases like today or worse if the hospitals are really getting overwhelmed.

 

[wombat_5606]

And my point is it is better overall for a lower percentage to need hospitalization. AND the more who get a "lesser" case (no hospitalization needed), the better. Unless people still think we stand a shot of quickly eliminating the virus (which was never realistic IMO).

CDC has reported that nearly 40% of people that are sick enough to be hospitalized are in the age group 20-54. The risk of dying is in the older population, but the younger ones are still needing to be hospitalized.

 

[SaintsManiac]

I just meant they were more conservative than Universal. In the end they are gonna look worse if they do open. Can’t imagine the headlines if when WDW opens we are still seeing cases like today or worse if the hospitals are really getting overwhelmed.

They will blame Disney no matter what. People love to do it.

 

[RamblingMad]

And I think they weren't conservative. They should not be open this summer at all. Unfortunately, they are teetering on a cliff of trying to pay their employees and keep their parks open long term while keeping public safety at the forefront. Then you have all the DVC people claiming it's illegal to keep them out. It's pure insanity no matter what.

DVC is a pretty insane.

The problem is that you’ll need a lot of people to move out of Orlando to find work. The reality is that people aren’t as mobile as they once were.

 

[sam_gordon]

CDC has reported that nearly 40% of people that are sick enough to be hospitalized are in the age group 20-54. The risk of dying is in the older population, but the younger ones are still needing to be hospitalized.

OK.

What does that have to do with what I'm discussing? I never said anything about age groups. All I said is I'd rather have 1% requiring hospitalizations than 10%. Do you feel differently?

 

[lovethesun12]

And my point is it is better overall for a lower percentage to need hospitalization. AND the more who get a "lesser" case (no hospitalization needed), the better. Unless people still think we stand a shot of quickly eliminating the virus (which was never realistic IMO).

Why do you think that was completely unrealistic? I'm just really curious. Because of the economy, or people not listening? Or spread in other countries? Many countries contained it so I'm just wondering why you thought it was inevitable the U.S couldn't?

Disclaimer: Just genuinely curious, I'm not from the U.S but love it so much and plan to travel there at the very first possible second I'm able to when I can get medical travel insurance again =)

 

[sam_gordon]

Why do you think that was completely unrealistic? I'm just really curious. Because of the economy, or people not listening? Or spread in other countries? Many countries contained it so I'm just wondering why you thought it was inevitable the U.S couldn't?

Disclaimer: Just genuinely curious, I'm not from the U.S but love it so much and plan to travel there at the very first possible second I'm able to when I can get medical travel insurance again =)

We're using different terms. You (correctly) say many countries have CONTAINED it, I was referring to ELIMINATING it.

The US would have a shot at containing it *IF* enough people do the right thing and wear masks and/or socially distance.

 

[Jrb1979]

We're using different terms. You (correctly) say many countries have CONTAINED it, I was referring to ELIMINATING it.

The US would have a shot at containing it *IF* enough people do the right thing and wear masks and/or socially distance.

And opened things much slower. IMO bars and restaurants should only be patios at this time. Theme parks should not be open til cases and positive percentage drops under 5%.

 

[lovethesun12]

We're using different terms. You (correctly) say many countries have CONTAINED it, I was referring to ELIMINATING it.

The US would have a shot at containing it *IF* enough people do the right thing and wear masks and/or socially distance.

Yes that makes sense, I think I read it over too quickly. Sorry.

With such a huge population I guess these types of clusters will be inevitable. Just have to ride it out and it will settle sooner than later hopefully. I don't think the best answer is to shut down at this point either. That was brutal and can't see how going backwards would be good for mental health.

I know masks are important, I wore one the entire day yesterday shopping but have to say it was so uncomfortable. I feel bad for people who have to do it the entire day. I think physical distancing as much as possible and masks only when physical distancing is unlikely/impossible might be the key for everyone to be comfortable.