GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[RamblingMad]

But has UO being open made those numbers worse than they would have been if it was closed? I'm going to say no way - we would have seen it by now. Just like CA closing the beaches this w/e, closing the parks would make it worse. Now instead of people heading to the beach where they would be outside, plenty of distance to the next person, plenty to keep them occupied, the will get bored and instead go meet with friends inside their homes to celebrate the 4'th, maybe shoot off some fireworks after a BBQ. Gatherings like this are EXACTLY how this is getting spread. Yeah, they should stay home, but the numbers prove they will not. You are better off giving people an outdoor, controlled environment to spend their time.

I was invited to one. I expect another surge a week after the 4th.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I got chicken pox at the beach as a teenager, and that isn't nearly as virulent as COVID.

Anecdotal doesn't work here. It's already been proven that being outdoors is better in regards for transmission for this virus. And being in close proximity indoors is the largest spreader. So how is keeping the known highest spreader open, where masks and social distancing aren't used, while closing a place where both are possible, the smart decision? They also didn't close the beaches up here - just the parking lots, so now we're going to have people parking along the coast and in neighborhoods - or overcrowding our regional beaches. Our county has already expressed their immense concern over this decision.

 

[Mango7100]

On the other hand if everyone wore masks and stayed 6ft apart cases wouldn't be exploding and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

100% agree on this.

Its still hard to completely know how much time you would spend indoor there...there’s so many variables. Weather (escaping to AC because it’s hotter than the sun or pop up storms), lines longer than expected (since no one knows how fast rides will load with no FP but reduced capacity, spacing parties out, cleaning vehicles)

 

[godisney14]

Disney has go to be pulling their hair out over what’s going on. They chose to be conservative and wait to open. Now they are gonna look really bad if they do open while cases a spiking like crazy. I think the optics of WDW opening with cases spiking are just gonna be too bad for them in the end. But time is running out quickly.

Universal will look just as bad to stay open as cases spike just as much as Disney opens during this time.

OK.

What does that have to do with what I'm discussing? I never said anything about age groups. All I said is I'd rather have 1% requiring hospitalizations than 10%. Do you feel differently?

Again, as mentioned by others, my comment was that the % makes no difference on how many inpatients there are at time t.
Don’t need to overthink it.

 

[godisney14]

Contact tracing here in Florida is nowhere near adequate enough to confidently say people aren’t getting sick at Universal. Fact is numbers here are skyrocketing. We haven’t invested enough to know exactly where it’s happening.

Contact tracing the way that it is being done in the US was never going to be effective during outbreaks. It’s manual labor with a low response rate. Thanks to everyone who argues everything is unconstitutional.

Anecdotal doesn't work here. It's already been proven that being outdoors is better in regards for transmission for this virus. And being in close proximity indoors is the largest spreader. So how is keeping the known highest spreader open, where masks and social distancing aren't used, while closing a place where both are possible, the smart decision? They also didn't close the beaches up here - just the parking lots, so now we're going to have people parking along the coast and in neighborhoods - or overcrowding our regional beaches. Our county has already expressed their immense concern over this decision.

True that outdoors is better. But, what’s even better, even in outdoor settings, is keeping your distance. Too many people who are outdoors believe they’re completely fine just by the fact that they’re outdoors. A false sense of security.

 

[Christine]

Contact tracing the way that it is being done in the US was never going to be effective during outbreaks. It’s manual labor with a low response rate. Thanks to everyone who argues everything is unconstitutional.


True that outdoors is better. But, what’s even better, even in outdoor settings, is keeping your distance. Too many people who are outdoors believe they’re completely fine just by the fact that they’re outdoors. A false sense of security.

So in today's print edition of the WaPo (the Style section no less, not in the news section), is a story of a local woman who held an outdoor charity event in mid-June. The entire party was outdoors. No one wore a mask except for the photographer and one other event worker. While people appeared to keep their distance, when seated to eat, the host had set up those large, round tables that hold 8-10 people. Supposedly, unknowingly, the host had COVID and a few hours (really?) after the party was over she felt her first symptoms, got tested, and was positive. Several people that sat at her table, then came down with the virus.

I'll admit, I was really hoping outdoors was just about foolproof, but I guess if you're going to sit right next to someone for the length of time it takes to dine and socialize, you're still at significant risk.

 

[RamblingMad]

So in today's print edition of the WaPo (the Style section no less, not in the news section), is a story of a local woman who held an outdoor charity event in mid-June. The entire party was outdoors. No one wore a mask except for the photographer and one other event worker. While people appeared to keep their distance, when seated to eat, the host had set up those large, round tables that hold 8-10 people. Supposedly, unknowingly, the host had COVID and a few hours (really?) after the party was over she felt her first symptoms, got tested, and was positive. Several people that sat at her table, then came down with the virus.

I'll admit, I was really hoping outdoors was just about foolproof, but I guess if you're going to sit right next to someone for the length of time it takes to dine and socialize, you're still at significant risk.

I haven’t seen the science on the outdoors. My understanding is that it helps if you maintain social distancing, which should be easier.

 

[GreatLakes]

But has UO being open made those numbers worse than they would have been if it was closed? I'm going to say no way - we would have seen it by now. Just like CA closing the beaches this w/e, closing the parks would make it worse. Now instead of people heading to the beach where they would be outside, plenty of distance to the next person, plenty to keep them occupied, the will get bored and instead go meet with friends inside their homes to celebrate the 4'th, maybe shoot off some fireworks after a BBQ. Gatherings like this are EXACTLY how this is getting spread. Yeah, they should stay home, but the numbers prove they will not. You are better off giving people an outdoor, controlled environment to spend their time.

Then those people are idiots. Instead of going to the beaches the right option is to just stay home and interact with no one.

UO being opened is bringing people from all over the country into FL where they co-mingle (and even with masks outdoors it is still too dangerous to be around groups of people) spread the virus, and then go back to wherever they came from to spread the virus there. Even if they don't actual interact with anyone high risk themselves they could interact with someone that interacts with someone that interacts with someone that causes them to die. That is why it is best to just not interact with anyone that isn't essential (life and death), it could be 10 degrees away from you before your decision has a negative impact.

 

[godisney14]

It’s not optimal for the virus to kill the host because when the host dies, the virus dies. Many viruses naturally mutate over time to be less virulent because it’s in the best interest of the virus.

In simplistic terms, viruses mutate over time to evade the host immune system from recognizing the epitope of an antigen. Why do you think there’s been no successful vaccine for HIV? Has HIV become less of a problem? Or what about the seasonal coronaviruses, which is also a coronavirus


Same response as above.
Read up on what happened to the Zika virus before it hit America.

As I was saying....
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674(20)30820-5

(Great timing for such an article to be reported).

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

11-year-old boy in Miami-Dade youngest to die from COVID-19 in Florida, records show

(The boy did have pre-existing conditions)

 

[godisney14]

So in today's print edition of the WaPo (the Style section no less, not in the news section), is a story of a local woman who held an outdoor charity event in mid-June. The entire party was outdoors. No one wore a mask except for the photographer and one other event worker. While people appeared to keep their distance, when seated to eat, the host had set up those large, round tables that hold 8-10 people. Supposedly, unknowingly, the host had COVID and a few hours (really?) after the party was over she felt her first symptoms, got tested, and was positive. Several people that sat at her table, then came down with the virus.

I'll admit, I was really hoping outdoors was just about foolproof, but I guess if you're going to sit right next to someone for the length of time it takes to dine and socialize, you're still at significant risk.

Just like this unfortunate guy who went to a BBQ party.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-who-went-to-party-warned-people-not-to-be-an-15382626.php
Just because you’re outdoors doesn’t mean it’s safe and a mask is unnecessary.

I haven’t seen the science on the outdoors. My understanding is that it helps if you maintain social distancing, which should be easier.

There is no hard scientific basis about outdoors. It’s just logic. Outdoors is supposed to provide more space for people to distance, and for natural ventilation. That’s all. The virus isn’t smart enough to skip people just because they are outdoors. The closer you are to someone infected, the higher your chance of also being infected—regardless of whether you’re indoors or outdoors. And masks helps to reduce that chance both indoors and outdoors.

Distance and mask. It’s really that simple. Not sure how much more simple that can be explaine. (Not directed at you in any way).

 

[randumb0]

As I was saying....
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674(20)30820-5

(Great timing for such an article to be reported).

That just confirms that he virus mutates. All viruses mutate yet we have a vaccine for some. We have a vaccine for polio inspire of its high mutation rate

 

[NotUrsula]

Just like this unfortunate guy who went to a BBQ party.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-who-went-to-party-warned-people-not-to-be-an-15382626.php
Just because you’re outdoors doesn’t mean it’s safe and a mask is unnecessary.


There is no hard scientific basis about outdoors. It’s just logic. Outdoors is supposed to provide more space for people to distance, and for natural ventilation. That’s all. The virus isn’t smart enough to skip people just because they are outdoors. The closer you are to someone infected, the higher your chance of also being infected—regardless of whether you’re indoors or outdoors. And masks helps to reduce that chance both indoors and outdoors.

Distance and mask. It’s really that simple. Not sure how much more simple that can be explaine. (Not directed at you in any way).

Just like this unfortunate guy who went to a BBQ party.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-who-went-to-party-warned-people-not-to-be-an-15382626.php
Just because you’re outdoors doesn’t mean it’s safe and a mask is unnecessary.


There is no hard scientific basis about outdoors. It’s just logic. Outdoors is supposed to provide more space for people to distance, and for natural ventilation. That’s all. The virus isn’t smart enough to skip people just because they are outdoors. The closer you are to someone infected, the higher your chance of also being infected—regardless of whether you’re indoors or outdoors. And masks helps to reduce that chance both indoors and outdoors.

Distance and mask. It’s really that simple. Not sure how much more simple that can be explained. (Not directed at you in any way).

Not just distance and mask -- you need to not sit still, either. The more time you spend in direct conversational distance with another person outside your household, the greater the odds of contagion. So, masking and distance between parties being equal, walking through an outdoor market is less risky than sitting down on a patio for a meal. There may be more people present, but they are moving more.

 

[godisney14]

That just confirms that he virus mutates. All viruses mutate yet we have a vaccine for some. We have a vaccine for polio inspire of its high mutation rate

You lost me. No clue on what you are trying to tell me given my previous comments.

 

[Jrb1979]

Anecdotal doesn't work here. It's already been proven that being outdoors is better in regards for transmission for this virus. And being in close proximity indoors is the largest spreader. So how is keeping the known highest spreader open, where masks and social distancing aren't used, while closing a place where both are possible, the smart decision? They also didn't close the beaches up here - just the parking lots, so now we're going to have people parking along the coast and in neighborhoods - or overcrowding our regional beaches. Our county has already expressed their immense concern over this decision.

That's an easy fix for those parking in neighborhood streets. You do what they did in my city. They towed and ticketed every car parked in those streets. They also have been fining people for not social distancing with $880 tickets. People tend to follow rules it it costs them money

 

[hertamaniac]

Another record breaker for Florida.

"4:00 a.m. -- The Florida Department of Health reported another 10,109 cases of coronavirus, the highest single-day total for the state, on Thursday. The total in the state is now at 169,106. Another 67 deaths were reported, bringing the total to 3,617 Florida resident deaths."

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/t...ng-holiday-weekend-as-florida-cases-near-170k

 

[TLSnell1981]

That's an easy fix for those parking in neighborhood streets. You do what they did in my city. They towed and ticketed every car parked in those streets. They also have been fining people for not social distancing with $880 tickets. People tend to follow rules it it costs them money

Many here still have no jobs or savings. You could try Fines/enforcement but you are not getting blood out of a turnip. Besides, who's going to monitor the situation...LEO?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Not just distance and mask -- you need to not sit still, either. The more time you spend in direct conversational distance with another person outside your household, the greater the odds of contagion. So, masking and distance between parties being equal, walking through an outdoor market is less risky than sitting down on a patio for a meal. There may be more people present, but they are moving more.

No more than 15 minutes in close contact appears to be significant.

 

[Jrb1979]

Many here still have no jobs or savings. You could try Fines/enforcement but you are not getting blood out of a turnip. Besides, who's going to monitor the situation...LEO?

We have by-law officers monitoring the beaches and side streets. If you can't pay the fine there is always jail time.

All I do now is shake my head. I have mentioned many times what has been done where I live and it has worked. The response I usually get is that it wouldn't work here. Restaurants should be patios only and no theme parks open yet.

 

[TLSnell1981]

We have by-law officers monitoring the beaches and side streets. If you can't pay the fine there is always jail time.

All I do now is shake my head. I have mentioned many times what has been done where I live and it has worked. The response I usually get is that it wouldn't work here. Restaurants should be patios only and no theme parks open yet.

They are ticketing offenders and/or letting criminals out of jail in many places in the US....that's not a deterrent either