Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[disneychrista]

I don’t see why they can’t let people ride goofy, incredicoaster, and Pixar pal-a-round, since those are outside too.

Because theme parks (aka rides) are not allowed to be open right now. It is not just an inside vs outside issue (like with dining).

 

[ycsteves]

Because theme parks (aka rides) are not allowed to be open right now. It is not just an inside vs outside issue (like with dining).

That’s just silly. The difference between those rides I mentioned and the (very) large gathering of people to eat food outside is negligible. We can’t have festivals in the stage we are in now, but there are festivals happening. So if one can be allowed after previously not being allowed, so can the other. And isn’t it an outside v. Inside if restaurants can only be open if they are outside? Wineries can only be open if they are outside, hence why DtD is open? I think it’s definitely and outside v inside thing

 

[disneychrista]

We can’t have festivals in the stage we are in now

Which is why I am unclear how Knott's is allowed. But as it pertains to Disney, DTD is open because shopping is allowed & dinning is allowed out doors. As of right now Theme Parks (rides) are not allowed regardless of inside or outside. The difference between dining outdoors and allowing a theme park to operate their outdoor attractions is the number of people gathering inside the park, waiting in lines, etc.

 

[ycsteves]

Which is why I am unclear how Knott's is allowed. But as it pertains to Disney, DTD is open because shopping is allowed & dinning is allowed out doors. As of right now Theme Parks (rides) are not allowed regardless of inside or outside. The difference between dining outdoors and allowing a theme park to operate their outdoor attractions is the number of people gathering inside the park, waiting in lines, etc.

But if capacity into the “festival” is already limited and the lines are social distanced I don’t see how rides will bring a crowd, but the festival won’t. Plus there’s always the virtual queue. I’m not questioning you, but rather this whole process in general as it pertains to these festivals. Technically DLR doesn’t HAVE to open all of their attractions, just a few, and then say that they are open as part of the “festival”.

 

[disneychrista]

But if capacity into the “festival” is already limited and the lines are social distanced I don’t see how rides will bring a crowd, but the festival won’t.

I get that you are eager for any part of the parks rides to be open but as it stands right now I don't see that happening any time soon (like months). I understand the logic of if saying it is limited and outdoors but the fact stands that due to state restrictions it just isn't going to happen.

 

[ycsteves]

I get that you are eager for any part of the parks rides to be open but as it stands right now I don't see that happening any time soon (like months). I understand the logic of if saying it is limited and outdoors but the fact stands that due to state restrictions it just isn't going to happen.

Im pointing out the discrepancy. My being eager still doesn’t address the fact that it’s arbitrary to not have outside rides open, but have the parks that the rides are located in open because they’re outside. It doesn’t make sense and is going to cause problems down the road. Either crowds can or cannot gather. If they can under certain guidelines then any activity that falls under those same guidelines should be permitted. Technically due to state restrictions knotts shouldn’t be holding their festival, but here we are.

ETA: months or not, the result will be opening rides within the park, regardless of the timeline, and that discrepancy is what’s going to accelerate that process.

The good news in the world of speculation is that exceptions are starting to be made for all industries so long as they abide by and demonstrate implementation of the safety guidelines. This bodes really well for DLR not only because they are exempt in the first place, but because exceptions are being made left and right! Maybe a Christmas time DLR is coming down the pipeline! OR late fall? We’ll see

 

[kristensideaoffun]

But if capacity into the “festival” is already limited and the lines are social distanced I don’t see how rides will bring a crowd, but the festival won’t. Plus there’s always the virtual queue. I’m not questioning you, but rather this whole process in general as it pertains to these festivals. Technically DLR doesn’t HAVE to open all of their attractions, just a few, and then say that they are open as part of the “festival”.

For dining, you have people sitting stationary for a much longer period of time than on a ride. You have a much, much smaller amount of people moving through an outdoor dining area per hour than you would have people moving through a queue and then riding on a ride. They are two completely different things. For example, most ride queues involve switchbacks which most likely would not be allowed because it would mean parties would pass by facing each other. Also, rides have WAY more high touch areas than restaurants - railings, ride cars, lap bars, etc. Some of these would be difficult to sanitize between guests with just a wipe, like seatbelts. In addition, when you are dining, your mask is down but you are stationary. While I would imagine masks will be required while on rides, this will be VERY difficult to enforce. Especially with rides that jerk you around. Someone could board a ride with every intention of keeping their mask on, but it could fall down because of the motion of the ride. And they may not want to let go of the hand-bar while the ride is moving to place it back over their mouth and nose. If my mask falls down on Goofy’s Flight School, there is no way I am letting go to fix it (totally hypothetical for me - it’s the only ride I won’t ride because it’s scare the you know what out of me). For dining, there are really strict guidelines for face coverings, sanitation, etc. There are no such guidelines for rides and attractions as of yet, and I believe the reasons I stated are why.

 

[disneychrista]

Either crowds can or cannot gather.

I understand there may seem to be a discrepancy in the rules but strictly speaking crowds are not allowed to gather. I agree Knott's shouldn't be holding their festival and I do not feel that Disney should be holding one either. But if it is officially okay within state guidelines/restrictions then they are free to do so. Disney is not okay within current state restrictions to open outdoor rides. I am only speaking to current state opening/closures, not necessarily what should or shouldn't be open.

 

[ycsteves]

For dining, you have people sitting stationary for a much longer period of time than on a ride. You have a much, much smaller amount of people moving through an outdoor dining area per hour than you would have people moving through a queue and then riding on a ride. They are two completely different things. For example, most ride queues involve switchbacks which most likely would not be allowed because it would mean parties would pass by facing each other. Also, rides have WAY more high touch areas than restaurants - railings, ride cars, lap bars, etc. Some of these would be difficult to sanitize between guests with just a wipe, like seatbelts. In addition, when you are dining, your mask is down but you are stationary. While I would imagine masks will be required while on rides, this will be VERY difficult to enforce. Especially with rides that jerk you around. Someone could board a ride with every intention of keeping their mask on, but it could fall down because of the motion of the ride. And they may not want to let go of the hand-bar while the ride is moving to place it back over their mouth and nose. If my mask falls down on Goofy’s Flight School, there is no way I am letting go to fix it (totally hypothetical for me - it’s the only ride I won’t ride because it’s scare the you know what out of me). For dining, there are really strict guidelines for face coverings, sanitation, etc. There are no such guidelines for rides and attractions as of yet, and I believe the reasons I stated are why.

I would agree, but other parks in the US have demonstrated there are ways to accomplish this. So all DLR would do Is just implement the successful processes demonstrated in the other parks.

 

[ycsteves]

I understand theremay seem to be a discrepancy in the rules but strictly speaking crowds are not allowed to gather. I agree Knott's shouldn't be holding their festival and I do not feel that Disney should be holding one either. But if it is officially okay within state guidelines/restrictions then they are free to do so. Disney is not okay within current state restrictions to open outdoor rides. I am only speaking to current state opening/closures, not necessarily what should or shouldn't be open.

This is exactly my point. The guidelines say one thing and Newsom is allowing another so long as guidelines are being implemented. Therefore, the same will be done with the parks in general. Obviously now is not what I am Concerned With considering DCA has not announced such an event, but IF they do, then the conversation about what activities are permitted outside will be had. I’m simply saying if Newsom will allow crowds to gather (after stating they are not) so long as guidelines are being adhered to, I will not surprised if later down the road similar exceptions to the guidelines are made in favor of DLR.

 

[disneychrista]

This is exactly my point. The guidelines say one thing and Newsom is allowing another so long as guidelines are being implemented. I’m simply saying if Newsom will allow crowds to gather (after stating they are not) so long as guidelines are being adhered to, I will not surprised if later down the road similar exceptions to the guidelines are made in favor of DLR.

This is what you may not understand there are no such guidelines (what is termed as guidance) for THEME PARKS. Knott's is likely getting around this by having a food fair (under dining guideline) and shopping (under retail). From my way of thinking the rides in and of themselves do pose an additional threat over those shopping and eating. Screaming, yelling can spread possible infection at a higher rate than simply walking past someone else while shopping or sitting outdoors eating distanced from others. Not to mention the time you are in line waiting for attractions.

As for Disney getting any special treatment down the line, I would not count on it. The state will release guidance for all theme parks when they have detereined it is safe to do so. This is unlikely to happen before the majority or all of the state is under the metrics established for the watch list for an extended period of time.

 

[ycsteves]

This is what you may not understand there are no such guidelines (what is termed as guidance) for THEME PARKS. Knott's is likely getting around this by having a food fair (under dining guideline) and shopping (under retail). From my way of thinking the rides in and of themselves do pose an additional threat over those shopping and eating. Screaming, yelling can spread possible infection at a higher rate than simply walking past someone else while shopping or sitting outdoors eating distanced from others. Not to mention the time you are in line waiting for attractions.

As for Disney getting any special treatment down the line, I would not count on it. The state will release guidance for all theme parks when they have detereined it is safe to do so. This is unlikely to happen before the majority or all of the state is under the metrics established for the watch list for an extended period of time.

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[disneychrista]

Just because the guidelines haven’t been released does not mean there aren’t any.

Until they are released theme parks can't open.

 

[EmJ]

But if capacity into the “festival” is already limited and the lines are social distanced I don’t see how rides will bring a crowd, but the festival won’t. Plus there’s always the virtual queue. I’m not questioning you, but rather this whole process in general as it pertains to these festivals. Technically DLR doesn’t HAVE to open all of their attractions, just a few, and then say that they are open as part of the “festival”.

Lines are never going to be socially distanced. It is positively stunning how many adults appear incapable of standing on a placard or painted sign saying “STAND HERE”. They would have to have a CM stationed at every ride, every line, every minute, of every day, whose only job is trying to get people to stand where they’re supposed to. There’s also the issue of sanitizing rides, people yelling or shouting during the ride, and people taking their masks off once the ride departs. Rides outside and dining outside are two different animals.

 

[ycsteves]

Lines are never going to be socially distanced. It is positively stunning how many adults appear incapable of standing on a placard or painted sign saying “STAND HERE”. They would have to have a CM stationed at every ride, every line, every minute, of every day, whose only job is trying to get people to stand where they’re supposed to. There’s also the issue of sanitizing rides, people yelling or shouting during the ride, and people taking their masks off once the ride departs. Rides outside and dining outside are two different animals.

Lol I totally agree that following rules are not everyone’s strong suit, but I don’t think they will never be socially distanced. It has and is being achieved at other parks, so maybe adding CMs will be a part of the process. We won’t fully know until DLR shares with us what their plan is when they reopen.

 

[EmJ]

Lol I totally agree that following rules are not everyone’s strong suit, but I don’t think they will never be socially distanced. It has and is being achieved at other parks, so maybe adding CMs will be a part of the process. We won’t fully know until DLR shares with us what their plan is when they reopen.

Do we know how this is going in WDW and the other Florida theme parks? I feel like we can’t compare Americans to other countries in the “ability to stand on a clearly marked X” department I’m probably projecting, but it’s because I took my son to the pool for the first time this weekend and literally no one minded the social distancing markers at the slide or diving board. It was a complete free-for-all.

See also: Similar experiences at the grocery store, Costco, and zoo.

 

[ycsteves]

Do we know how this is going in WDW and the other Florida theme parks? I feel like we can’t compare Americans to other countries in the “ability to stand on a clearly marked X” department I’m probably projecting, but it’s because I took my son to the pool for the first time this weekend and literally no one minded the social distancing markers at the slide or diving board. It was a complete free-for-all.

See also: Similar experiences at the grocery store, Costco, and zoo.

Lol you may have a point there! dare I say we should try and see?

 

[montreid]

Went to zoo this weekend. Queues are inherently line squishing and people simply don't do it unless there's a minder. This is the primary reason why guidelines for theme parks and festivals with rides should not and will not happen until stage 3-4 in CA.

DLR has a leg up with this with the experience of virtual queues and frankly I'm surprised it hasn't rolled out in volume at WDW. Perhaps waiting for capacities to increase and ready to deploy as the setup on the app appears ready for this.

Until guidances for theme parks released, there will be no reopening. Perhaps there is something already ready to drop the moment they reopen schools and other stage 3. Perhaps not.

Knott's has provided a roapmap of an interim way forward .. just waiting for Disney to get off their butts to do so.

btw ... To the LA times article.....Pokemon go like VR would be the bomb. Couple that with Hogwarts like wand thing for merch opportunity.....come on Imagineers....

 

[ycsteves]

Perhaps there is something already ready to drop the moment they reopen schools and other stage 3. Perhaps not.
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This is what I’m thinking as well. Guidance is ready to go, but has not yet been released because right now Is not the Time to reopen, but maybe an October or November date later. I feel like they will release guidelines only when it’s relevant, so basically when there has already been a discussion with the parks( for the purpose of this thread, DLR) and then we will hear once the parks and gov are already on the same page. Maybe they will be announced concurrently

 

[gottalovepluto]

DLR has a leg up with this with the experience of virtual queues and frankly I'm surprised it hasn't rolled out in volume at WDW. Perhaps waiting for capacities to increase and ready to deploy as the setup on the app appears ready for this.

Yes. The app button that we all thought was a signal of the future of disney lines- oops!

Rumor mill says Disney IT couldn’t hack the virtual lines. When they first announced their plan to reopen WDW, they said they would use virtual lines. Welp, in good ‘ol Disney IT fashion- they failed. Spectacularly. Mentions of it were wiped and I believe a note was even put out to CMs there would be no virtual lines. So at WDW your virtual line consists of ROTR BG. If you are amongst the Chosen that day