This is Us- Season four

I really enjoyed the Rebecca and Miguel moments. I feel Miguel doesn’t get enough love in this show.

I also hope we see more Miguel and Rebecca and how they fell in love. All we know is that they connected on fb. I admit I was on the "I hate Miguel" train for a long time. Back when we all thought he swooped in on Rebecca immediately after Jack died. We now know quite a bit of time passed before they reconnected. Now I feel bad for him having to live in Jack's shadow. The cringy Thanksgiving episode shows how hard it must be for him.
 
LOVED this episode!!! It’s probably in my top five episodes ever *except for one reason that I’ll get to in a bit*. I also thought the ‘unrelated’ story were Miguel’s parents. I said HOW COOL when it was revealed who he was and I love that they did some follow up. As soon as biological mom asked to hold the baby I said oh no.

I paused the list that Toby was making because I wanted to read all the names and two names were Fogelman and Olin lol. I love how they snuck those names in.

Now, for the reason I did NOT like the episode. The second the old man came on the screen and asked Toby to move, my heartbeat sped up and I got goosebumps. For anyone who watches Greys Anatomy, or used to, that actor is the one who played the shooter in the hospital. Those two episodes are the reason I have to be sedated to get in an mri machine. I am terrified that there will be a shooting and I’ll be stuck in the machine because I have to wear a head cage. It’s 100% unlikely and so irrational but it’s my fear. I instantly recognized him.

Other than that, amazing episode :)
That's what he was from....He looked so familiar and I didn't like him, but had no idea why lol.
He was also in Council of Dads - it only lasted one season last year on NBC though.

Going even further back, he was also on West Wing as the head Secret Service guy
 
I'm surprised there is no commentary about last night's episode.

I'm going to say it right here-- Kate got on my nerves. It was all about her and what she wanted. She didn't even put herself in Ellie's shoes and think about what she was really going through. I can't imagine how tough that would be.

The scene that got me was when Kevin walked into the nursery and saw Jack. What Jack said to him got me a little choked up. I think Kevin has always tried to be what everyone thought he should be but Jack gave him 'permission' to do it his way.
 
I'm surprised there is no commentary about last night's episode.

I'm going to say it right here-- Kate got on my nerves. It was all about her and what she wanted. She didn't even put herself in Ellie's shoes and think about what she was really going through. I can't imagine how tough that would be.

I agree. I don't understand how she couldn't realize that maybe Ellie didn't want to be reminded constantly of the baby she gave up. I don't know how she could compare her situation with Randall's in any way. Not even close. I really liked Toby in the episode - he stayed calm and reasonable seeing both sides of it without overreacting either way.

Overall, I thought it was a boring episode. And another week of the producers sucking us in with a teaser in the previews that amounts to next to nothing (e.g. Jack's drink at the gas station).
 
I was so bored by this episode (especially compared to last week). Kate acted like a real brat, and I'm glad Toby was the voice of reason. It was nice to see Kevin get the opportunity to talk with his dad. I do think he needed that "permission" to do things his own way. Glad to see him moving forward with Madison and the babies.

Did we learn anything new at the end at the famous house scene? I don't think so, but maybe I missed something. I did like seeing Tess, Annie, and Deja as adults.
 
I felt the way others did as well. A little bored, annoyed at Kate, love Toby, Kevin got approval to be himself and I am liking Madison and Kevin as a couple.

I must say that I did not guess the medical student was Deja!! I was happy because Deja is one of my favorite characters on the show and I wish she had more air time. Even when Annie pulled up, I still couldn't figure out who they were. I knew it was current time line but still didn't put it together until the end.

I think the ending was just to drive us crazy and make us guess who pulled up in the car. No preview scenes at the end so it must not be on next week. Wonder if it's covid related production issues.
 
I also thought Kate was being way too self-absorbed. I can understand Ellie be all hormonal and sad and just not able to deal with the open adoption thing right now. She might change her mind, she might not. AS I see it, Kate and Toby could either still send her letters with updates (that Ellie could choose to open or not), or set aside a box of items for her--letters, photos, a memento or two--and let Ellie choose the time and place when she might be ready to receive such items. The important thing is for Hailey to feel that she is loved, by all her parents, in their own way.

The scene with Kevin and Jack made me cry, probably because my dad died while I was pregnant with my first. It breaks my heart that he was never able to meet his grandchildren.

I was glad to see Deja still a part of the family and doing well for herself as an adult. Foster situations, you just never know, and it's good to see her on a good path, with a loving family supporting her. I think we're supposed to wonder about Beth not being there, but it could mean nothing (she's caring for Rebecca, making dinner, working late, whatever).
 
Normally I think Kate is really self-absorbed, but in this episode, I didn't feel like she was being like that with Ellie. I think she has really taken to heart what Randall has gone through his whole life and thought she had specifically created a situation where her baby wouldn't go through that (via an open adoption) and she was upset about the change. Although I feel like Ellie has every right to change her mind, I also feel like Kate has every right to be sad about it.

I thought it was a really well done episode paralleling the drive home from the hospital for the different branches of the Pearson family.
 
I didn't think about the Randall angle, you're right. Kate may have wanted to help Hailey avoid the things Randall death with by having an open adoption, now it seems Ellie may not be open to that. Having said that, I totally understand why Ellie feels the way she does. It sure can't be easy.
 
Normally I think Kate is really self-absorbed, but in this episode, I didn't feel like she was being like that with Ellie. I think she has really taken to heart what Randall has gone through his whole life and thought she had specifically created a situation where her baby wouldn't go through that (via an open adoption) and she was upset about the change. Although I feel like Ellie has every right to change her mind, I also feel like Kate has every right to be sad about it.

I thought it was a really well done episode paralleling the drive home from the hospital for the different branches of the Pearson family.

I agree in a way especially since they agreed prior to the adoption that it would be a very open adoption. I guess what bothered me is that Kate was acting like it was going to be set in stone from that day forward. I mean, give the birth mom a break. She just did one of the hardest things in her life, her hormones are raging and she is in an emotionally charged situation. I felt the same way as Toby. Just relax, give her time, she just needs to process this whole situation. Just because she is pushing you away right now, doesn't me she will later. Kate was almost expecting Ellie to be joyful and playful and happy and funny when she just did one of the most devastating things.
 
I agree in a way especially since they agreed prior to the adoption that it would be a very open adoption. I guess what bothered me is that Kate was acting like it was going to be set in stone from that day forward. I mean, give the birth mom a break. She just did one of the hardest things in her life, her hormones are raging and she is in an emotionally charged situation. I felt the same way as Toby. Just relax, give her time, she just needs to process this whole situation. Just because she is pushing you away right now, doesn't me she will later. Kate was almost expecting Ellie to be joyful and playful and happy and funny when she just did one of the most devastating things.

I agree. It seemed like Kate didn't grasp what Ellie was going through and expected it to be like Ellie gave her a puppy and planning playdates. Then Kate was upset that Ellie changed her mind. Hailey's adoption and Randall is not the same. Randall was left without knowing what or why. They have that to be able to tell Hailey.
 
Interesting, I felt like Kate was dancing on knives, trying to make things good for Ellie and the baby, and off to a good start for her own little family overall. For me it felt like she was determined to go the extra mile to hold up her end and Ellie caught her offguard.
 
I am guessing covid related production issues will set them back,

It has to be a real juggling act between Covid delays and still needing to deal with the reality that one of the leads just delivered a baby, the scheduling of which probably got completely trashed by Covid. I mean last night's episode a pregnant belly would have worked, but not for much of the timeframe of the character.
 

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