Do we really need the cursing on the Falcon and Winter Soldier?

[C&Jx2]

Speaking of context, I never said what you're implying I said. As long as the appropriate rating is used, I really don't care.

Why does it matter who is more intelligent? Absolutely there are "intelligent" people who curse. Do you curse to show off your intelligence? Is that what it is? Do you curse to shock? Do you curse simply because it's a habit (or just the way you talk)? Have you (general) thought about WHY you curse?

It’s just part of the discussion that comes up again and again when this topic is brought up.

 

[JLTraveling]

It's realistic dialogue to the situation. I find it more inauthentic to have characters in dangerous/horrible/tragic/whatever other situations and all they can say is "well darn!" Sorry, not happening in the real world.

Haha, that reminds me of the movie Speed, when Keanu Reeves is examining the bomb under the bus. Alan Ruck is on the phone with Reeves' partner relaying everything Reeves says. Until Reeves yells, "F ME!" And Ruck on the phone relays, "Oh darn."

 

[Moliphino]

Why does it matter who is more intelligent? Absolutely there are "intelligent" people who curse. Do you curse to show off your intelligence? Is that what it is? Do you curse to shock? Do you curse simply because it's a habit (or just the way you talk)? Have you (general) thought about WHY you curse?

It's the way I talk. I try to tone it down where it isn't considered appropriate, but it's really not a conscious choice of words so it does slip out sometimes.

 

[BadPinkTink]

The reality is your opinion on swearing in this or any other TV or movie is irrelevant. Very highly paid marketing departments create the ideal person that will generate the most revenue for the project. They create a very detailed description of this person, and all that matters is this exact person and that they will spend money or generate money.

No one really cares about the clutching of pearls due the script, as the pearl clutchers are not the person they have created this project for.

 

[sam_gordon]

It's the way I talk. I try to tone it down where it isn't considered appropriate, but it's really not a conscious choice of words so it does slip out sometimes.

I get that. I really do. I used to be the same way.

 

[Timandalicia]

If bombing Steve and Nat, throwing Sitwell into a moving truck, blowing up two buildings, shooting up a bus, and killing hundreds of people isn't enough to get a PG-13 rating, I'd question the point of the rating.

Oh. Please allow me. They do not only state the rating on but they explain the rating right? So people read that to make a decision. The type of violence and amount of swearing is carefully constructed to achieve the rating. You are allowed one f word. I think it might be 2 now, otherwise it gets put into R.
Notice, they don’t have sexual content in the Marvel movies. Some movies want the label sexual content- let’s say a teen angst movie. Some want a label that they are scary. It’s all very thought out. The whole idea of pg-13 was a marketing ploy. I remember before they had that label: PG was for kids and R was for teens or adults.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Have you (general) thought about WHY you curse?

have you seen that netflix show that other poster mentioned? It's fascinating really.

 

[NotUrsula]

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Why does it matter who is more intelligent? Absolutely there are "intelligent" people who curse. Do you curse to show off your intelligence? Is that what it is? Do you curse to shock? Do you curse simply because it's a habit (or just the way you talk)? Have you (general) thought about WHY you curse?

Very good points. As I said, I don't mind cursing in entertainment when it is judiciously employed to further the plot, but curses, by their very nature, are high-powered words; so when you use too many at once, the whole point of using them is rendered moot. Sort of the "super" argument from The Incredibles: If everyone is super, then no one is. If every word is a curse, then curses no longer have power, and they become equivalent to a 4 year old running around saying "poop" over and over -- laughable and a bit pathetic.

Curses are sort of the storytelling equivalent of a condiment; properly used, they add color and flavor to a story, but when you overdo it, all you can taste is that one element, and every other aspect of the story is smothered by them. Just like I wouldn't enjoy drinking ketchup directly from the bottle, I'm not impressed with dialogue that is all condiment with no meal underneath.

 

[BrianL]

Oh. Please allow me. They do not only state the rating on but they explain the rating right? So people read that to make a decision. The type of violence and amount of swearing is carefully constructed to achieve the rating. You are allowed one f word. I think it might be 2 now, otherwise it gets put into R.
Notice, they don’t have sexual content in the Marvel movies. Some movies want the label sexual content- let’s say a teen angst movie. Some want a label that they are scary. It’s all very thought out. The whole idea of pg-13 was a marketing ploy. I remember before they had that label: PG was for kids and R was for teens or adults.

The ratings absolutely are a marketing ploy. Marvel and Star Wars movies are PG-13 today but would have been PG 20 years ago, especially Star Wars. The intensity level didn't change, but the perception now is different and PG-13 is the sweet spot that guarantees the widest audience. Adults don't think it's too kiddie, and kids think it's pretty adult. Even Disney movies used to always be rated G, but now they are PG and almsot nothing is rated G except very pre-school aimed things. Sometimes a Pixar movie will get a G as they can defy categorization. Disney want's these PG and PG-13 ratings and will make sure the tone is appropriate to get one. If a Star Wars or Marvel movie came back from the MPAA with a PG, they would probably change it.

 

[sam_gordon]

Very good points. As I said, I don't mind cursing in entertainment when it is judiciously employed to further the plot, but curses, by their very nature, are high-powered words; so when you use too many at once, the whole point of using them is rendered moot. Sort of the "super" argument from The Incredibles: If everyone is super, then no one is. If every word is a curse, then curses no longer have power, and they become equivalent to a 4 year old running around saying "poop" over and over -- laughable and a bit pathetic.

Curses are sort of the storytelling equivalent of a condiment; properly used, they add color and flavor to a story, but when you overdo it, all you can taste is that one element, and every other aspect of the story is smothered by them. Just like I wouldn't enjoy drinking ketchup directly from the bottle, I'm not impressed with dialogue that is all condiment with no meal underneath.

Well put. I like to compare two movies... Casino and Pulp Fiction. They both had a lot of blood & gore & cursing. To me, Casino felt more "natural" and Pulp Fiction more "forced".

As I said, I used to curse a lot. When we had our first child, I stopped. Simply because I didn't want cursing to be so habitual that I'd curse in front of my child. Will they hear the words in school/on the playground? I'm sure. Doesn't mean *I* want/need to be the one to introduce them to it.

 

[fab1976]

Thanks... I was considering watching it with DS6 but it’s gonna be a “no” now that I know the ratings.

My 7 year old daughter is a BIG Marvel fan and watched the first episode with us. She deemed it boring because there wasn’t enough action and hasn’t wanted to watch more. She was right, the first one was pretty boring lol. I’m glad she decided to not watch them though, the latest episode was pretty fitting of the rating it has.

 

[BrianL]

My 7 year old daughter is a BIG Marvel fan and watched the first episode with us. She deemed it boring because there wasn’t enough action and hasn’t wanted to watch more. She was right, the first one was pretty boring lol. I’m glad she decided to not watch them though, the latest episode was pretty fitting of the rating it has.

Wait...the first episode with the helicoptors over the canyon scene? That was an action-palooza! I loved the first two episodes, but have generally disliked the third and fourth.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Culturally over time in the U.S. violence is seen as more tolerable generally speaking (even after all the 80s/90s noise over violence in video games and music) while sexuality and to an extent language is not. It's not surprising the responses on this thread.

 

[fab1976]

Wait...the first episode with the helicoptors over the canyon scene? That was an action-palooza! I loved the first two episodes, but have generally disliked the third and fourth.

But that was IT for action. Then you get a lot of personal background with lots of talking that goes over the head of a 7 year old. It was a good set up for the short series, just not fast paced.

 

[Suger Mag]

Meh... I think it is high time Disney catered to more adult audiences in their TV programming. Not evey show has to be appropiate for a 5-10 year old. Disney has PLENTY of programming for young audiences... I for one welcome a little grit and real life talk every now and then. If it fits the character then totally fine by me.

PhD here... and I admit to swearing like a 'sailor'...

 

[BrianL]

But that was IT for action. Then you get a lot of personal background with lots of talking that goes over the head of a 7 year old. It was a good set up for the short series, just not fast paced.

Well, there was the robbery scene with the Flag Smashers too. I understand though. It wasn't really the action or lack of it that made me prefer the first two episodes. That helicoptor scene was AMAZING though.

 

[Tink9721]

Is the implication that because its on Disney+ it should be entirely family friendly and sterile? I don't know that they've ever claimed that. While I wouldn't expect anything egregious on Disney+, mild foul language in a TV-14 rated show seems acceptable. DH and I do not have kids, but we subscribe to Disney+ and watch these shows. It would probably be corny and maybe we'd choose not to watch if they started omitting fighting or saying things like "gosh dang it" instead.

Meh... I think it is high time Disney catered to more adult audiences in their TV programming. Not evey show has to be appropiate for a 5-10 year old. Disney has PLENTY of programming for young audiences... I for one welcome a little grit and real life talk every now and then. If it fits the character then totally fine by me.

PhD here... and I admit to swearing like a 'sailor'...

I agree with both of these. This show definitely fits with the tone of Winter Soldier and Civil War, which were two of the darker Marvel movies - also my two favorites. I would've been annoyed if they tried to make this show family friendly just because it's on Disney+. That just wouldn't fit with these particular characters. Especially Bucky - there's nothing family friendly about his backstory. There will be other Disney+ Marvel shows that are more geared towards kids. This just isn't that show, and it shouldn't be.

 

[Orion Nebula]

These are more like the Netflix shows. I’m cool with it. Eventually your kids will swear a lot. No big deal. We all do it.

I mean parents can rest assured that at 14 their kids are most likely well adept at using bad language in the correct context. Even your "golden child" is out there being exposed to it daily. And these aren't TV-14 Disney words... lol

 

[Tink9721]

Well, there was the robbery scene with the Flag Smashers too. I understand though. It wasn't really the action or lack of it that made me prefer the first two episodes. That helicoptor scene was AMAZING though.

Also the Winter Soldier flashback scene!

 

[Mysterian]

I agree with both of these. This show definitely fits with the tone of Winter Soldier and Civil War, which were two of the darker Marvel movies - also my two favorites.

I was just about to say the same, but more to the argument of action scenes vs dialogue-laden scenes. The show follows a similar tone as those movies, which had many breaks in the action in order to focus on character building- only the show allows for more drawn-out pacing. Of course being a show they are a little forced to follow a certain structure, like ending each episode out with a cliffhanger or some significant moment to lead up to next episode.

The swearing is no concern for me, but I can understand if kids zone out during moments like Bucky speaking with his therapist or Sam talking to his sister. Some of the politics going on in Civil War was probably not so interesting for kids who just wanted to see superheroes smash eachother's faces at the airport.

***BIG Side Note! I'm betting the Power Broker is going to be someone we're familiar with in the MCU, or at least some big name in the comics.