ScubaCat
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- May 12, 2008
But not everyone has an in-n-out! They are still regional, kwim?
But it's just a few miles from DL club 33. So if club 33 isn't so great, I was just suggesting a better nearby alternative than McDs.
But not everyone has an in-n-out! They are still regional, kwim?
Ohhhhh, gotcha. Right. Thanks!But it's just a few miles from DL club 33. So if club 33 isn't so great, I was just suggesting a better nearby alternative than McDs.
Our resale contract closed today, deed not yet listed. I had thought we would possibly do the 25 point add on someday. I talked to my husband and he couldn't care less. I on the other hand am one of the people who is anxious about "missing out". But I think sticking with our resale only will be best.. (need some home repairs too!)
We met with a guide 2 weeks ago and he told us the minimum when buying direct for new members is 100 points as wellFor what’s it worth, when I called to get 50 as a new customer they told me that the minimum for CCV and AUL was 100. So not sure if they bumped both new and add-ons up or if it was just another misinformed person on the phone. This wasn’t a guide though.
I get that $20 discount when I “renew” each year (I have one of the less expensive California AP).
This change really only affects people who were in the process of closing, had bought fewer points resale with the plan always of adding on 25 direct, who now may not close in time to add on 25. For the people who planned their resale purchase to buy an additional 25 to get to the points they needed, this change really sucks.
Anyone who bought and closed and had accounts open before they announced the new prices on direct points "should have" been going through this same analysis before prices went up before Jan 17. And really, if you didn't rush to buy then, then that means that the perks weren't worth $3750-$5500. If so, then why even consider buying in with more points for the same perks at an even higher price point? Almost all of the people who bought DVC resale after doing their research on the DIS are really informed buyers. The perks just aren't worth that much if you're a post 4/4/16 owner like me. In some ways Disney is changing the incentives associated with buying direct for the informed buyers; it's not going to affect uninformed buyers who wanted to buy direct "to avoid the hassle" or because they didn't want to own "used points."
I think the silver lining here is that Disney has pretty much all but said that they are not interested in reselling older properties. Which should be good news for anyone in ROFR or hoping to buy resale. They may ROFR the occasional ridiculous contract, but I don't think they will be nearly as active as they may have been in the past. Unless they get someone on a cruise who absolutely wants to buy a huge contract at an old, sold out resort and someone happens to have the bad luck to have the perfect match in ROFR right then.
So I am reading this long thread. what is the concensus for us resale people who bought after 11 but before 16? We get the needed discounts and perks I feel. i don't need my points for cruises or to stay in another property hotel. Do I need to start worrinign they might pull everything out from under us and should buy a 25 pt add on? I plan on adding at least 100-120 pts down the road and would like that to be another property to have another 11 mths window for a week stay.
I view these 2018 restrictions as little more than closing a loophole from 2016.
We’ve been advocating the 25 point add on here from the very beginning.
Many of us, including me, have suggested that it was a loophole that would be closed, probably sooner than later, and there was some urgency to adding on as soon as eligible.
DVC has committed itself to using perks to distinguish between resale and direct. I don’t think that they’re going away. In fact, the more they raise prices, the more they’ll have to depend on perks to reel people in.
I expect more and better perks. The perfect perk is one people will want without costing more money. APs is an example. Yes. The discount costs more but is made up by more trips to the parks to spend money. FL residents get a similar discount, for the same reason: encourage potential frequent flyers to fly frequently.
I think another round of restrictions are coming. Whether it’s a tier or not, I think the next round will bring extra FP benefits into play. WDW is now actively playing with FP benefits, and something will have to justify $200/point. FPs are powerful tools (and while there is a limit to quantity, the only real cost to WDW is opportunity cost.)
Got put on a waiting list yesterday for 25 points, OKW Feb UY. Guide called tonight and I paid for them. He did say they were working overtime due to all of the sales.
If I’m a developer that builds a subdivision, it needs perks like a playground, pool, and clubhouse to sell well.Regarding the "club feel"... Think of it this way. Someone buys into the club by purchasing their points from Disney. The intent of the timeshare concept is that this person is committing to a lifetime of ownership... not use of a timeshare for a few years. So great! They're in the club. Benefits, perks. But, after 5 years this family gets tired of going to Disney World. This is where the timeshare concept should kick in... "but you bought for life!". So go. Find a way. Give the points to your friends, let them enjoy the club for a week. You're in the club, end of story. But no, tired traveler just sells after 5 years.
New family. Buys that, and now with *no new money given to Disney* this new family is now in the club?? They paid half as much, and they are suddenly clubbers for life? They'll use it for 5 years, and sell, to a new family and that family now gets to be in the club? See where I'm going with this? No money is ever reaching Disney on all these after-market exchanges, yet family after family are getting into the club for dirt cheap.
I guess I think that's appropriate that club should be for people who buy from Disney. The whole point of the timeshare concept is that there is a heavy disincentive to sell. Disney wants the family (the one family) to which they sold the points to have to go year after year... not spread the love over 10 families who will all get to use the one purchase. See the difference? 10 families buy from Disney -- 10 families get the club. 1 family buys from Disney but 10 families get the club is not a good timeshare model.
I'm okay with that. It really seems how timeshares should work. If you want to be in the club, just buy from Disney. It's not like you can't. And you don't even have to buy them all. Just buy 75. You're only second class if you don't want to join the club. The changes in 2016 occurred because the internet was spreading resale-fever. Owning a timeshare for life was becoming more like "buy it, and if you don't want it after 5 or 10 years you can sell and recoup most of your spend". The changes were to fix what was original intent (long-term ownership) but the internet was causing an easy path to circumvent.
Regarding the "club feel"... Think of it this way. Someone buys into the club by purchasing their points from Disney. The intent of the timeshare concept is that this person is committing to a lifetime of ownership... not use of a timeshare for a few years. So great! They're in the club. Benefits, perks. But, after 5 years this family gets tired of going to Disney World. This is where the timeshare concept should kick in... "but you bought for life!". So go. Find a way. Give the points to your friends, let them enjoy the club for a week. You're in the club, end of story. But no, tired traveler just sells after 5 years.
New family. Buys that, and now with *no new money given to Disney* this new family is now in the club?? They paid half as much, and they are suddenly clubbers for life? They'll use it for 5 years, and sell, to a new family and that family now gets to be in the club? See where I'm going with this? No money is ever reaching Disney on all these after-market exchanges, yet family after family are getting into the club for dirt cheap.
I guess I think that's appropriate that club should be for people who buy from Disney. The whole point of the timeshare concept is that there is a heavy disincentive to sell. Disney wants the family (the one family) to which they sold the points to have to go year after year... not spread the love over 10 families who will all get to use the one purchase. See the difference? 10 families buy from Disney -- 10 families get the club. 1 family buys from Disney but 10 families get the club is not a good timeshare model.
I'm okay with that. It really seems how timeshares should work. If you want to be in the club, just buy from Disney. It's not like you can't. And you don't even have to buy them all. Just buy 75. You're only second class if you don't want to join the club. The changes in 2016 occurred because the internet was spreading resale-fever. Owning a timeshare for life was becoming more like "buy it, and if you don't want it after 5 or 10 years you can sell and recoup most of your spend". The changes were to fix what was original intent (long-term ownership) but the internet was causing an easy path to circumvent.
You make it sound like 10 families are enjoying the same "club" benefits for 50 years. The membership is for 18,250 days worth of "club benefits" whether those benefits are spread between one or 18,250 families shouldn't matter at all to DVD.I guess I think that's appropriate that club should be for people who buy from Disney. The whole point of the timeshare concept is that there is a heavy disincentive to sell. Disney wants the family (the one family) to which they sold the points to have to go year after year... not spread the love over 10 families who will all get to use the one purchase. See the difference? 10 families buy from Disney -- 10 families get the club. 1 family buys from Disney but 10 families get the club is not a good timeshare model.