We got off the Magic yesterday, it was our 17th Disney cruise and I thought I had seen it all. Nope. We had a wine tasting in Keys, and amazingly someone insisted on bringing their small child. The staff tried to talk them out of it but they ended up there, with the child. Yet another "adult only" situation on the ship where parents just break the rules whenever they want. Quiet cove, Cove Cafe, now wine tastings. I'm not even surprised anymore. We spoke to the Sommelier about it after the tasting and he apologized and said he felt like they were gong to make a scene if he tried to make them leave. I couldn't help but take a picture of them, which I will not post. DCL should just stop advertising "adult only" areas since they clearly don't want to consistently enforce the rules in those areas.
I've been told that for Pub trivia kids may be present but are not allowed to participate.So, on topic, I'll ask a question. We went to an adult music trivia game at O'Gills Pub. A family brought a child with them. Clearly a child, likely 10-11 years old, not a young looking adult. She was the only kid in there, it was listed as adult only, yet there she was. Should we have complained? She was well behaved, but once you open the door to one kid, why can't all 500 who are on the ship pile in as well? I didn't complain, but it was annoying that they were flaunting the rules and the CMs didn't say anything.
How can asking to see someone's ID be due to "racial" motivations? The picture would match the person in front of you.
What bugs me is there are tons of things for kids to do on DCL, why do they even need or want to come to an "adult" activity?
I'm lucky to see my two older grandkids for dinner on the cruise, its like pulling teeth to get them out of those clubs.
There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start. Have you ever actually worked in retail to experience what the policies are? I spent years in retail at multiple "major" retailers including high end stores and none of what you are saying its true of their policies. A LOT of people want to assume that these polices exist and everything is racially motivated, but in my experience, in the deep south, that is simply NOT true.The issue is that a lot of minorities experience implied, and sometimes even direct, accusations of fraud when they are simply trying to pay for their merchandise. Racial profiling in the retail industry is sadly more common that you might think, and it is embarrassing, hurtful, and frightening for those subjected to it. In this particular case, this was a racially blind policy because it applied to every purchase and the system would not allow the purchase to go through without an ID check. But there is a long history of other prominent stores that have no such universal policy singling out persons of color to check their IDs because those stores view minorities with greater suspicion than white customers. This is just one practice among many that are sadly too common, and which can make minority customers feel like mistrusted, second-class citizens. If you just run a google search you will see a lot of examples of this happening: stores that sent employees to "tail" minority customers by walking very close behind them the entire time they shop because they are suspected of being more likely to shoplift; stores that systematically refused to process credit card transactions from black customers over a certain dollar amount; bag searches of minority customers; calling security or even the police on minority customers accused of lingering too long before making a purchase. I am white, but I know that as a white person, I am lucky that I am never going to have to experience what it feels like to have people regularly looking at me like a thief when all I want to do is go shopping with my own hard-earned money. I wouldn't say it is "boorish behavior" for someone to simply ask whether her ID is being checked because of a general policy, or if she is being singled out for a particular reason, because frankly, there are so many times when the latter is true.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if your body has entered the theater and you have sat in a seat, you have claimed that seat. It is now your seat for the duration.
What bugs me is there are tons of things for kids to do on DCL, why do they even need or want to come to an "adult" activity?
I'm lucky to see my two older grandkids for dinner on the cruise, its like pulling teeth to get them out of those clubs.
It bugs me too, but I expect the reason in many cases is because some kids turn out to hate the clubs and refuse to stay in them. So then the parents just drag them along to whatever they already have planned rather than coming up with a new plan for the day.
Plus you have the parents who consider using the clubs to be terrible parenting. That's an evergreen topic on the Parenting board on Cruise Critic.
This is a mystery to me. How can letting your kids enjoy the clubs, which are created specifically so kids can have a great time, be bad parenting?
Because they're not hovering over the child all the time instead of leaving them to their own creative devices.
On our cruise two weeks ago we went to the wedding game show. One couple was very enthusiastic about getting on stage. You could tell they both were drunk and were sitting behind us. They didn’t get picked for the newlywed seat and missed that one by a month. Which started the obsecenities. They then tried for the middle seat. It was a dance-off and they were horrible and kept screaming. They weren’t picked again. At that moment they stormed the stage and tried to take it from the winning couple.
Our host kindly asked them to sit down. For the rest of the show they were screaming obscenities and stating it was because they were both women. Which it was really because of their behavior to begin with. They kept cussing out the host and contestants. Loud enough for those around us to hear. Then at the end when everyone was leaving they proceeded to go to the stage and flip it off, still yelling. It was horrible. They felt so entitled and should have just had fun. I was shocked nobody asked them to leave. It was the only poor experience we had.
This is a mystery to me. How can letting your kids enjoy the clubs, which are created specifically so kids can have a great time, be bad parenting?
It bugs me too, but I expect the reason in many cases is because some kids turn out to hate the clubs and refuse to stay in them. So then the parents just drag them along to whatever they already have planned rather than coming up with a new plan for the day.
Plus you have the parents who consider using the clubs to be terrible parenting. That's an evergreen topic on the Parenting board on Cruise Critic.
I'm totally guessing here but I think it's like people who frown upon going to WDW and leaving the kids for a time with someone else (like another family member, a nanny, the babysitting available, etc) so the parents can do something else (like a nice dinner at Epcot for example).This is a mystery to me. How can letting your kids enjoy the clubs, which are created specifically so kids can have a great time, be bad parenting?
On our cruise two weeks ago we went to the wedding game show. One couple was very enthusiastic about getting on stage. You could tell they both were drunk and were sitting behind us. They didn’t get picked for the newlywed seat and missed that one by a month. Which started the obsecenities. They then tried for the middle seat. It was a dance-off and they were horrible and kept screaming. They weren’t picked again. At that moment they stormed the stage and tried to take it from the winning couple.
Our host kindly asked them to sit down. For the rest of the show they were screaming obscenities and stating it was because they were both women. Which it was really because of their behavior to begin with. They kept cussing out the host and contestants. Loud enough for those around us to hear. Then at the end when everyone was leaving they proceeded to go to the stage and flip it off, still yelling. It was horrible. They felt so entitled and should have just had fun. I was shocked nobody asked them to leave. It was the only poor experience we had.
Because "dumping your kids with strangers" is self-centered and means you don't love them.
Our kid spends as much time as possible in the clubs.