Covid And The Rest of Us

[Jrb1979]

Today they are reporting on our National News that it took just 2 weeks of undoing to put us back to May's numbers after 2 months of diligence to achieve Stage 3.

It was also said outbreaks are starting to creep up in Long-term care homes again.

 

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[lisaviolet]

We need to also stop blaming younger people who we all assume are partying. True many are It’s also the older crowds right now spreading. By us the main driver are “family celebrations”. It could be a wedding, funeral, baptism, confirmation, communion, 50th 60th or 70th birthday party you name it - families are getting together in large numbers and spreading. I have also noticed there are so many at once going on as people are making up for postponed events that were to take place in the spring or early summer

My neighbor just had her 50th birthday party and invited 30 close family and friends to a dinner at a restaurant. . By us we are allowed to have private parties indoors at restaurants I believe up to 50 or 100? Not sure anyways, you’re seeing groups in these numbers sitting indoors with no masks and no distancing for hours. What do people do when they get together like this? They talk and talk and talk aerosols are spreading like crazy.

My mom was also invited to a birthday party two weeks ago and had canceled. One person implied she’s a hypocrite because she still wants to go to Disney. She then explained there’s a big difference between sitting in a small room with 40 other people for hours and walking with a mask on in an outdoor park.

Yes.

And I would add that it is indeed group mentality. Meaning I would bet people feel relaxed to not follow smarter practices - I can't say following protocol because many are at these smaller gatherings - when the majority surrounding them are not. That provides an ease to relax on choices.

After being at one of these gatherings I strongly believe that there is a strange and troubling mentality that if you love or care about someone you are somehow immune to having and sharing the virus. Like friendship or love is a superpower against it.

 

[NFLDERS]

Yes.

And I would add that it is indeed group mentality. Meaning I would bet people feel relaxed to not follow smarter practices - I can't say following protocol because many are at these smaller gatherings - when the majority surrounding them are not. That provides an ease to relax on choices.

After being at one of these gatherings I strongly believe that there is a strange and troubling mentality that if you love or care about someone you are somehow immune to having and sharing the virus. Like friendship or love is a superpower against it.

CBC posted a graph showing just where the significant age related problems are. I'm not able for some strange reason to post it here. It is in this site offering:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada

 

[Karin1984]

Yes.

And I would add that it is indeed group mentality. Meaning I would bet people feel relaxed to not follow smarter practices - I can't say following protocol because many are at these smaller gatherings - when the majority surrounding them are not. That provides an ease to relax on choices.

After being at one of these gatherings I strongly believe that there is a strange and troubling mentality that if you love or care about someone you are somehow immune to having and sharing the virus. Like friendship or love is a superpower against it.

True, you will never want to believe that you will spread the virus, especially onto a loved one.
Reminds me of when a Hungarian doctor in the 19th century discovered that washing your hands with soap kills germs and that doctors should wash their hands before operating. This discovery was not appreciated by his fellow doctors, as it indicated that they contributed to the deaths of thousands of patients.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Here in the US mask wearing vs not has fallen along political party lines (not with everyone but with many).
Maybe because it’s an election year??
For those in other parts of the world is mask wearing divided by political views?

This is no more true than only young people are spreading it.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

True, you will never want to believe that you will spread the virus, especially onto a loved one.
Reminds me of when a Hungarian doctor in the 19th century discovered that washing your hands with soap kills germs and that doctors should wash their hands before operating. This discovery was not appreciated by his fellow doctors, as it indicated that they contributed to the deaths of thousands of patients.

Makes us appreciate Florence Nightingale even more, who, way back when, believed that cleanliness helped quell the spread of disease.

 

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[jlwhitney]

Where do you live? Mask mandate lifted?

NEver had one 250k population in county.

 

[jlwhitney]

I do agree that the biggest spread is dense living and home parties. I don't agree that we should ditch masks cause it's what's keeping cases low in public areas.

there is no solid proof either though since public places with out them haven’t been having huge issues

 

[Pea-n-Me]

So many points to talk about and so little time.

@ronandannette , hand cleansing and not touching faces is always a good rule of thumb for self-protection. Not just because of respiratory viruses, but GI tract viruses. And also so we don’t spread our own germs to someone else.

I have noticed, too, that in stores, special procedures are lessened or gone now. While I don’t mind cleaning my cart myself, I appreciate when the supplies are available to do so. Mostly they’re not now. Those should be there forever, really.

What we know today is just that. It could change tomorrow or next month. I (having spent a career working with illness and disease in people), assume all of it - aerosolized, droplet, etc. I do not go crazy, but I live my life with an awareness of self-protection, put it that way. I wear a mask. I cleanse my hands and try not to touch my face. I don’t stay indoors close to others without distancing and a mask. I don’t go to large parties or gatherings. I doubt holidays will be the same as before in our family. I am thankful I no longer have a frail elderly person here to worry about with this all going on. If I had kids in school I’m not sure what I would do - probably an alternative online school of some sort, at least temporarily.

All of this is certainly a big challenge because all in our family have been out there working since this all began, and I have two active young adults who have a boyfriend and girlfriend who are also out working and going to school and such so there’s that. But we can’t control every little thing. I’ve tried to do as much education with everyone as I can, and I’ve asked that anyone coming into or staying over our house uses reasonable precautions out in the world, and gets a flu shot. I am also trying to keep my sanity though all this (including working directly with very ill COVID patients as well as other patients). I am not crippled with fear by any means, and I have a life outside of the house, but I also have a healthy perspective on reality. So far none of us have become ill but I know that could change on a dime. Bottom line, though, we can almost never be 100% certain how or where we got it.

Last point, I’ve read that people are tending to not cooperate with tracing now. Not sure if that’s what a pp was referring to, but it makes it harder to figure out spread. I also do not trust some of the reporting we have, by any means.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

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It would’ve been helpful to see the numbers on the right side of the graphs here. Can you repost them?

 

[Pea-n-Me]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-crossroads-COVID-19-case-numbers-rising.html

 

[ronandannette]

Yes things relaxed here for a few weeks too. It seems now that a revisit to safer practices has returned. Our local newspaper (we are only 35,000ish in population) is reporting vigilante bully like behaviour towards non mask wearers.

This is really not helpful, especially when many (maybe all?) mask mandates have a legal exemption for several categories of individuals. It's impossible to know why someone is not wearing a mask; at best it's left to the management of an establishment to address. Personally, I've not noticed many people anywhere (either here locally or during our recent travels) that weren't masked where it was required. Those few were easy enough to avoid.

Same in NL, gatherings at home are much more a factor now than bars etc.

I'm getting crazy of my politicians and celebrities, basically everyone is saying: "I don't know the solution, but you are wrong for sure."

Good way of putting it, and a little humorous too. Boy, wouldn't it be nice if there were somebody somewhere with definitive answers?

Here in the US mask wearing vs not has fallen along political party lines (not with everyone but with many).
Maybe because it’s an election year??
For those in other parts of the world is mask wearing divided by political views?

In Canada, the short answer is a resounding NO. Since pretty early on our political leaders of every stripe and at every level have been very uniform in their support for the information and recommendations provided by our federal and provincial Chief Medical Officers. Public health decisions have been directed by medical professionals, not bureaucrats. Individuals who may be anti-maskers or even the more severe cases of "covidiot" cannot claim any official support for their position, whatever their motivations might be.

 

[Karin1984]

Good way of putting it, and a little humorous too. Boy, wouldn't it be nice if there were somebody somewhere with definitive answers?

To be honest, I am a bit torn on this one. On one hand, I always say that even when you don't have the solution, you can point out that something isn't right.
However, with this I am on the fence, as no one has the answers, then why must the government's approach be the wrong one. Yes, it's good to ask questions, but then again... can you please say something that will help!

There will never be a method that will please everyone. *sigh*

 

[chickapin parterre]

So many points to talk about and so little time.

@ronandannette , hand cleansing and not touching faces is always a good rule of thumb for self-protection. Not just because of respiratory viruses, but GI tract viruses. And also so we don’t spread our own germs to someone else.

I have noticed, too, that in stores, special procedures are lessened or gone now. While I don’t mind cleaning my cart myself, I appreciate when the supplies are available to do so. Mostly they’re not now. Those should be there forever, really.

What we know today is just that. It could change tomorrow.

Last point, I’ve read that people are tending to not cooperate with tracing now. Not sure if that’s what a pp was referring to, but it makes it harder to figure out spread. I also do not trust some of the reporting we have, by any means.

What happened in our stores? Walmart no longer has entry door lines, Kroger no longer cleans carts and post office no longer staff to prevent lines in tiny offices. back to where we were in flu season with cart cleaning. And goodwill stopped 1 on 1 assistance with carts.

tracing....because they give you a whole list of activities not to do once tested...ignore the list anyhow...so I am going to tell you I followed the protocol, when I didn't. Tracing me is not going to work...I am ashamed.

 

[Karin1984]

Oh, this is interesting.
One of the celebrity-ringleaders (who got appointed by the media as a spokesperson for the celebrities) just posted a public apology on the instagram. The original post with #Iwontdoitanymore coincided with the end of her relationship with her management. This resulted that when she was invited the following night in a talkshow to talk about the hashtag and what she (and the other celebrities) wanted. She totally screwed up the interview, she wasn't prepared by anyone or protected by her management how to act in a situation like this. She says that she understands that she screwed up and that her words and the hashtag were not appropriate, all she wanted was to bring a different sound to the table. To ask more questions. She wasn't able to get this message across.
She will retreat and look for someone who is inspiring and willing to educate her.

Scandal solved, and that all within 2 days! I love Dutch efficiency ;-)


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And in other news, the government just announced that very likely a working vaccine will be available first months of next year. In November the government will publish who will get priority to get vaccinated.

 

[mousefan73]

Here in the US mask wearing vs not has fallen along political party lines (not with everyone but with many).
Maybe because it’s an election year??
For those in other parts of the world is mask wearing divided by political views?

So in Germany masks are not as a political thing in the US if you look at one party being pro and the other con... It's more an individual thing that covers all parties... Here all major parties wear masks themselves in public. There is no left/right issue really. In fact there really isnt much opposing sides on the matter.. Recent survey showed that 2/3 of Germans agree with all the measures/lockdowns taken... Politicans admit that some lockdown measures in march were overdone, but then we didnt know so much. ( example closing all stores). Most people here have accepted the use of masks, though many do question its effectiness and some think its just fear mongering and the government trying to control you.. There have been demostrations here and there for antimaskers... Here we dont have choice.. Its mandated and differs based on region and where..In our state the first few weeks of school you had wear one during school, all day... Now since our county has like 1 to 100,000 cases kids get to take them off once seated at their desk.. no more desk sharing BTW if it goes over 35 to 100,000 masks back on.. over 50 then they start talking about remote learning again if ther are outbreaks.. but we have our anti-maskers. One far right party recently tried to imply that a student's death was caused by mask wearing.. ( She collapsed in the school bus and later died, what other issues she had I didnt follow up on).. but there are certain forces that are anti-mask. Just those that think Corona is the flu and Bill Gates is behind vaccines implanted tracers in us. My DD's friend has her parents get a DRs. note that due to health reasons she cannot wear a mask.. Well once she learned that means she has to sit separately from her friends, guess wha?! All of a sudden she was able to handle the mask.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

There are crazies on both “sides”.