FlightlessDuck
Y kant Donald fly?
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- Jun 20, 2006
I think he kneeled after a touchdown. Honestly, he wasn't on a team I rooted for, so I didn't pay attention.I don't know about Tebow, did he kneel to pray while the anthem was being played?
I think he kneeled after a touchdown. Honestly, he wasn't on a team I rooted for, so I didn't pay attention.I don't know about Tebow, did he kneel to pray while the anthem was being played?
So you're an idiot if you exercise your right as an American citizen unless it's something you agree with?
I think he kneeled after a touchdown. Honestly, he wasn't on a team I rooted for, so I didn't pay attention.
As much as I would love to share my thoughts I think it is best I keep my mouth shut on this one. This thread has remained open, which shocks the heck out of me and I dont want to say anything that may get it closed. I feel I can't not be more political from here so I will just have to leave you with, I really do wish we could all (at every level) stop the bickering, arguing, doing this to spite eachother, and just come together and try to work out something that is best for all of us.
Honestly, that's the problem with this whole discussion of "police brutality". There's essentially 2 camps:
Camp one: police brutality and racial profiling are a myth.
Camp two: every single instance of a black man shot by police is irrefutable proof that racism is rampant among police.
Ugh
I understand you don't want to get into the politics since it's not supposed to be discussed here.
I do agree about the bickering and doing things out of spite should stop by that won't happen unless people are honest and hiding behind " i won't listen until they behave how I want" every single time isn't being honest.
Really when you think about it the whole thing behind this thread is petty and just being tit for tat. Why is this player standing being touted as anything more than it was? He wasn't told he couldn't, he didn't defy anyone, he wasn't making the statement some people are thinking he did. Ultimately he did what he felt was right in that moment, that's it. It's not a statement against kneeling, it's not anything bigger than he was standing there when the anthem started playing so he just did what he did.
That's interesting. I've heard many arguments from Camp 1.
I have never, once in my life, heard anyone suggest the position you espose in Camp 2. Perhaps failure to understand the position of Camp 2 is part of the problem.
The bolded is being somewhat petty and bickering. I didn't say anything about it just being one side of any given issue. Why the need to add that little point? I'm not trying to be snarky or bad argumentive with you so please don't take it that way.I agree, as long as that is meant for both sides of the issue.
I think part of the problem is thinking that because you haven't heard or witnessed something that it doesn't exists, and assuming the one side is just misunderstanding things and therefore wrong.
Like the pp said nothing is going to happen until people start being honest, like admitting that both camps do exist.
That's interesting. I've heard many arguments from Camp 1.
I have never, once in my life, heard anyone suggest the position you espouse in Camp 2. Perhaps failure to understand the position of Camp 2 is part of the problem.
The bolded is being somewhat petty and bickering. I didn't say anything about it just being one side of any given issue. Why the need to add that little point? I'm not trying to be snarky or bad argumentive with you so please don't take it that way.
That comment just stand out to me as where things easily go off course when discussing difficult topics. There's a lot of assumption and digging in of heels, gotta make sure you get your point in that the other side isn't right. Instead of focusing on a common ground it's about pointing out where there isn't.
I agree, as long as that is meant for both sides of the issue.
The "other side" on this site as you call it didn't create a Dale Earnhardt is the most popular Nascar driver go buy his stuff thread.
I guess all the talk about getting a discussion going only applies if one side does something that starts it?
If you have an issue with the OP's thread, take that up with the OP. I don't know him/her, and I certainly don't control how they feel and what they do about it.
I am taking you up on your false equivalency.
OK, whatever gets you through the day.
But, thank you for proving my point, you surely didn't disappoint.
On that note, feel free to continue your "discussion"
See, and from what I've seen, Camp 2 types vastly outnumber Camp 1.
It's all about perspective.
These guys are quiet. It doesn't get any quieter than kneeling quietly. They didn't turn their backs on the flag. There is no greater show of subservience or supplication than kneeling. This is in no way a show of disrespect for the flag or veterans...if anything, quiet peaceful protest is the greatest thanks a soldier who fought for those rights can be shown. Using those hard fought rights. Whether you agree with the sentiment behind the protest or not.
That said, I don't watch football or any sports. I have no idea why the anthem even needs to be played before the start of a domestic sports team's game.
I added that point because your post seemed very one sided to me. I guess both of us assumed something about what the other meant, which is why these discussions (in general) go nowhere.
See, and from what I've seen, Camp 2 types vastly outnumber Camp 1.
It's all about perspective.
That is my perspective too. I see people in the middle, and camp 2, but rarely hear from camp 1 and that's been a lot of Dis discussion of shooting indicidents. I do certainly know a very few camp 1 folks, but its few.