FigmentSpark
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There are also some kids that don't like the clubs, for many reasons. Not all just about parental attitudes.
There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start. Have you ever actually worked in retail to experience what the policies are? I spent years in retail at multiple "major" retailers including high end stores and none of what you are saying its true of their policies. A LOT of people want to assume that these polices exist and everything is racially motivated, but in my experience, in the deep south, that is simply NOT true.
I have never in all my years of working retail been privy to ANY policy that singled out anyone. Yes, we watch people who are suspicious, regardless of race. It is necessary for loss prevention, because the reality is, people of all races steal. Often. Tens of thousands of dollars of merchandise in a single month from "anchor" type stores in shopping malls, so yes ,we definitely try to catch shoplifters. In my experience they pretty much span every race equally, so a policy targeting anyone in particular would be counterproductive. Yes there are requirements for returning items. In my experience those rules are concrete and apply to ALL customers, period. It is definitely boorish behavior to accuse a store employee who is doing their job and applying the blanket policy correctly of being racist, yet it happens all the time and employees have to just smile and take it.
I'm totally guessing here but I think it's like people who frown upon going to WDW and leaving the kids for a time with someone else (like another family member, a nanny, the babysitting available, etc) so the parents can do something else (like a nice dinner at Epcot for example).
Yup agreed.but I think we can all agree that when the policy is adults only, Disney has spoken, and that means no kids.
NO, what I am saying is that it is NOT policy or practice for any company I have ever worked for, and I have worked for several dating back to the 1990's, nor have i EVER heard of it being industry policy or practice from any of my contacts. It ISN'T happening in the pervasive way you are arguing that it does. Are there individual store employees who choose to act this way? I am sure here are, and companies get crucified for it, despite the fact that it ISN'T their policy. Are there isolated incidents, yes. That still doesn't give anyone the right to call a store employee racist for asking for a driver's license or keeping and eye on someone shopping. Everything is not racially motivated. It's sad that society at large views it ok to throw that word around any time you disagree with something or are inconvenienced. At some point, it loses its effectiveness and just becomes noise, which is hurtful to those with TRUE case to use it.Yes, I've been in retail. No, I don't think any store has an official "policy" to treat one race differently; the examples I gave from the news and court papers were major retail chains have faced government prosecution or lost civil lawsuits, where the common practices, not policies, of the store were racist (and often contrary to official policy). It seems like your post is saying "I worked in retail, and I have never seen racism employed in stores, so it doesn't happen"--but that doesn't hold true. For example, groping happens all the time on the subway, and my friends and I are split about 50-50 on whether it is something we have encountered personally, but we all know it exists even if we have not come into direct contact with it.
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Some people truly believe family vacation means you have to be with each other 24/7 and dropping your kids off somewhere so you can do something on your own without your kids is a terrible no good thing.
There are also some kids that don't like the clubs, for many reasons. Not all just about parental attitudes.
I think if your child does not enjoy going to the clubs, that is fine. We all have preferences. But to criticize another parent because their child does like to go to the clubs...
I guess the upside is that these parents will not be sending their children to the theaters to save seats!
Yes, of course it's fine. Until the parents want to still do their adult activities and bring Junior along with them and think it's not a problem.
You seem very defensive and angry about this, but I don’t hear you thinking about what it feels like to experience racism and then be told you can’t call anyone out when you perceive it to be happening, rightly or wrongly. At the end of the day, I just think you shouldn’t fault that customer without having walked a mile in their shoes. I got customer complaints all the time, but my job when faced with an unhappy customer was to be genuinely sympathetic about the fact that they are going through a difficult and confusing situation (after all, you can buy a product without ID, so it is a bit unfair to be told you can’t return it and get your money back if you don’t have an ID). It is not in my view good customer service to view an upset customer’s real concerns about unfair treatment with derision and call them boorish behind their back.NO, what I am saying is that it is NOT policy or practice for any company I have ever worked for, and I have worked for several dating back to the 1990's, nor have i EVER heard of it being industry policy or practice from any of my contacts. It ISN'T happening in the pervasive way you are arguing that it does. Are there individual store employees who choose to act this way? I am sure here are, and companies get crucified for it, despite the fact that it ISN'T their policy. Are there isolated incidents, yes. That still doesn't give anyone the right to call a store employee racist for asking for a driver's license or keeping and eye on someone shopping. Everything is not racially motivated. It's sad that society at large views it ok to throw that word around any time you disagree with something or are inconvenienced. At some point, it loses its effectiveness and just becomes noise, which is hurtful to those with TRUE case to use it.
I fault anyone who chooses to treat someone badly. That’s what this person did. She had no reason to call anyone names, yet she did. So you are saying it was ok for an angry customer to call a clerk a racist for simply doing their job? I don’t think so. It is unacceptable to treat anyone that way, whatever their job. Just because one has experienced racism doesn’t give them a right to accuse anyone they please whenever they please. No one said you shouldn’t tell someone about real racism. What I am saying is that one shouldn’t throw that word out lightly whenever they want a reaction or want their way. It happens way too often these days, and it lessens it’s impact when it is really warranted. I have expirenced and seen incidents of very real racism, and that’s why it angers me when people throw around the word in situations where it is not warranted. When actual racism occurs it should be taken seriously and dealt with. That is less likely to happen the more often people do this kind of thing.You seem very defensive and angry about this, but I don’t hear you thinking about what it feels like to experience racism and then be told you can’t call anyone out when you perceive it to be happening, rightly or wrongly. At the end of the day, I just think you shouldn’t fault that customer without having walked a mile in their shoes. I got customer complaints all the time, but my job when faced with an unhappy customer was to be genuinely sympathetic about the fact that they are going through a difficult and confusing situation (after all, you can buy a product without ID, so it is a bit unfair to be told you can’t return it and get your money back if you don’t have an ID). It is not in my view good customer service to view an upset customer’s real concerns about unfair treatment with derision and call them boorish behind their back.
OMG that's nutsLong story, but ended up in a physical altercation over the cell phone photos the seat taker was taking of the woman whose seat she took--we were all aghast when the pushing and shoving ensued.
I have a fun one, and then the craziest scene we've ever witnessed. Fun Miami theme with both.
It was crazy. When people allude to other cruise lines being trashy and having trashy clientele.... Eh, Disney isn't perfect. I have to say it exists everywhere. Including on DCL European itineraries, which are are $$$.
Does this mean that we have to threaten to "make a scene" every time they won't enforce the rules? I'm kind of being serious here. If they don't, I won't be sailing with DCL. Making rules and then not enforcing them just gives the entitled people a huge advantage since I'm not going to save seats in the theater or grab all the deck chairs. It makes it easier for them. Ugh!
The cynic is me is imaging them explaining that "Junior" is very mature for his age, and has such an advanced palate that he appreciates fine wine like an adult and therefore belongs there. *insert rolling eyes here*
On a recent cruise there was a large group that attended each of the trivia sessions and kept racking up the wins. It got to the point where we stopped going since we knew they would be there. After the first 6 sets of plastic mickey heads for their party you would think they would just start playing for fun... or the CMs would tell them to share. It's not like they got anything more as a reward but they even squabbled in the two groups they had to split into (while seated together anyway) about which people would get them.